Skip to comments.Red light: Traffic cameras bring Ohio town to screeching halt
Posted on 06/07/2013 7:43:57 PM PDT by george76Edited on 06/09/2013 7:00:47 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Those traffic cameras drivers hate and municipal bean counters love have brought a small village in Ohio to a grinding halt.
Elmwood Place (pop. 2,188) has seen four of its six Village Council members resign amid public outrage over a flurry of fines issued by the cameras. The devices have raised nearly $2 million for the tiny Cincinnati suburb, but angry drivers and shopkeepers complain the ticket blitz from above could turn downtown Elmwood Place into a ghost town. Now, with two-thirds of the council gone, partly in protest over the cameras, the governing body can't reach a quorum to conduct the people's business.
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The traffic “engineers” answer to congestion is too often to add more and longer lights. This just increases congestion, the analogy is water through a pipe. Constrict the flow and slow it down and the amount of water that goes through is diminished. Same with traffic.
Arrows first is another change they make. When arrows are last and people can proceed when clear there is often no need for an arrow cycle after. Arrows first and big delays on red in all directions is a safety first choice to help guaranty your right to a risk free life. ( I forget the # for that in the Bill of Rights....) And it increases their revenue.
Another fiasco are federally mandated and lefty loved HOV lanes. The occupants of those lanes are generally buses, delivery truck drivers and construction pickups, and moms with their kids. They do little to increase car pooling, only revenue. It’s one of my favorite traffic laws to violate so I can piss off liberals in the next lane.
That may be part of it, use the weapon at hand. But a .22 will only ruin a piece of glass. Easy to repair. Hoisting a burning tire onto one will destroy the entire device. Much more effective.
Then why does increasing the length of the yellow by one second decrease ticket revenue by 90%?
According to you, it should lead to MORE revenue.
My response to the cameras is simple and very effective:
I choose to not visit the businesses within a one block area. Too risky.
Many others are doing this too.
I would add a few more requirements:
Indeed. One question I'd like to ask the installers of those things: if a vehicle enters an intersection when the light is read, but before the opposing lights turn green, are the opposing lights delayed?
If they are, then entering the intersection late wouldn't endanger anyone--at worst it would delay some other motorists by 1/10 second, making the fine unreasonable. And if they aren't, that would imply that to the extent other motorists were endangered, it was a consequence of the installer's failure to mitigate such danger--again making the fine unreasonable.
What's that say about those who keep getting caught by them?
With all the complaining you would think these cameras are in our Kitchens.
“The people’s business” my ass. 2/3 down, 1/3 to go.
The one by me everyone but out of staters slow down a bit before then floor it after. I just look for the porta pottie they always hide behind
If someone wants to fight a ticket based on those camera’s, how does the camera answer when cross examined...the camera is the accuser not anyone from the chicken stick government...we have a right to face our accuser in a court of law.....
What study do you refer to? For every study there’s a counter study, so which to believe? Most such studies are biased and produced to support some lobby faction.
So how is the second defined? Is it 1 second more or less than the standard for the other signals in the area? How is it measured, after the locals adjust to the change, or before?
Interminable cycles with delays between every change and separate stages for arrows in every direction increase the motivation for a motorist to squeeze through at the end, rather than to wait.
When the government indiscriminately surveils the citizenry of a country, the government has erected the machinery of tyranny.
Whether it’s traffic cameras or Internet snooping.
Those politicians that enable the indiscriminate surveillance of the nation’s citizens should swing at the end of a rope.
That’s what they do, they have to do that, to generate the revenue...That’s all traffic/red-light cameras do is generate revenue, it is NOT about public safety...At all...
They won’t do that...Really???
Why cut off your nose, dispite your face???
Priority number one, make the money...All other ocnsiderations are secondary or not considered...
Public safety is never a real incentive for these programs, it only sounds good forthe media to help justify the revenue generation for the municipality...
Which app do you use?
“.we have a right to face our accuser in a court of law.....”
But what does this mean? One can legitimately wiretap, with a warrant and probable cause, etc. The recording hears you arranging a robbery. Is it then your accuser? I’d say the wiretapper is.
Also in the case of a red light camera, the camera is not your accuser, but the cop who reviews the footage or whatever.
I am not defending red light cameras. I just don’t think you necessarily need an eyewitness to be an accuser to be accused of a crime.
And this is how to get things done. It's the only thing they understand.
A cop can read all he wants but he did not observe this infraction...He cannot speak on behalf of the red light camera. If he wasn’t there, could any thing he says be “hear say”. The camera is the accuser, without it there would be no ticket unless the officer witness the infraction. Bring wire tapping in is a totally different subject. As far as your suggestion of what is heard on a wire tap, no driver says out loud to anyone....”hey I am going to run this red light..it is comparing apples to oranges...
Per 10 mph. In town. So, at 30 mph I am at least 3 car lengths.
I seldom drive interstate which is 75 mph here. I stick to the right and do 60 sometimes 65 mph, so 7 car lengths is about right - especially since 75 to most drivers means they can get away doing 80.
I’m pretty much left in the dust...:)
Item 4 would be difficult. They produce revenue and they’re overseen by politicians. Anything a politician spends revenue on buys votes for himself, even if it’s crossing guards.
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