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Texas high school silences Valedictorian's microphone during speech on Constitution, report says
Fox ^ | 06/08/13

Posted on 06/08/2013 7:45:18 AM PDT by AtlasStalled

A Texas high school silenced its Valedictorian’s microphone during his speech when he diverted from his pre-approved remarks and instead spoke about the Constitution.

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To: GOPJ
Young people are starting to understand what's happening... they're moving to our side.

Let;s hope so, we really need to teach our children the appropriate use of civil disobedience.

151 posted on 06/08/2013 2:26:01 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: HMS Surprise

“I am not kidding this time...”

I’ve been saying every year that there is no way we can live with liberals and one of us has to “go” for the sake of the country. I guess I’m too right-wing for FR..


152 posted on 06/08/2013 2:47:59 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: frog in a pot

Frog -

I’m not confused over anything.

If the Navy doesn’t want men like this, then the Navy does us no good.


153 posted on 06/08/2013 2:57:28 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: frog in a pot

You idiot.

The school is not a ‘homeowner’, and the students aren’t ‘guests’. The parents paid for that education, and the student excelled. If you want to think in terms of ownership, the school belongs to the parents and students. Schools are being paid to provide a service. Schools must meet the expectations of parents and students, and they must not attempt to eliminate our rights.


154 posted on 06/08/2013 3:02:53 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: count-your-change
The school’s microphone, the school’s forum, the school’s approval.

No, the public's microphone, the public's forum, the public's approval.

The school has no money without the public. They are not a private individual or enterprise. They are a government agency.

/johnny

155 posted on 06/08/2013 3:06:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The school has no money without the public.

They steal that money, all things considered. I wouldn't give one stinking dime to the public school system if I didn't have to...let the parents pay.

156 posted on 06/08/2013 3:09:32 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: al_c

I’d love to come help balance it out (I’m about as rabbit right wing as they come) but I am strange. I like snow.


157 posted on 06/08/2013 3:11:20 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s the smart ones the left has to worry the most about. The drones always fall right in line.


158 posted on 06/08/2013 3:12:53 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: count-your-change
The school’s public's microphone, the school’s public's forum, the school’s public's approval. Fixed it for ya. Public schools are paid for and owned by the public. Not the school board.
159 posted on 06/08/2013 3:15:57 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: EricT.

Plus, the pro homo speech would have been blessed by the school.


160 posted on 06/08/2013 3:17:15 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn

Back to school for you. Public owned, control vested in a school board. Schools are not democracies.
Instead of changing what I WROTE go use some of those public buildings that the public owns....say the library.


161 posted on 06/08/2013 3:44:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Westbrook

He that pays the piper calls the tune, and that’s especially true for any government entitlement program.


So don’t fund the goobs.....


162 posted on 06/08/2013 3:48:06 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Half White &Half Black..........SKUNK?.....................ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS! It's the Law.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Well yessir, “They are a government agency.” Which means they have control of the equipment provided at public expense for their use. Back to school for you!
163 posted on 06/08/2013 3:51:35 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Gene Eric

If it seems odd to you that’s good since you seem not to understand the prerogatives of ownership and control.


164 posted on 06/08/2013 3:57:55 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
Which means they have control of the equipment provided at public expense for their use.

Nominal control.

Ultimate control resides in the people. You seem to have forgotten that part. So did the school thugs.

/johnny

165 posted on 06/08/2013 3:58:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Fzob
Liberals would stand on their heads and whistle 'dixie' backwards if it would provoke the right to violence.

It's their 'big lie'.

They've told that lie for years - which is why the MSM always assumes any mass killing is done by conservatives. It's always a radical Muslim - and the MSM has to back down - but hope springs eternal with the little haters... and the next time a mass killing happens - they make the same assumption: White guy - maybe conservative... And they're always wrong.

The closest we need to come to civil disobedience is praying in public and at school graduations. Really, that totally gets under their skin. We will not fulfill their delusions.

166 posted on 06/08/2013 4:01:22 PM PDT by GOPJ (MSNBC is to news channels as Ringling Bros' Clown College is to Harvard University. - - Greenfield)
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To: dragnet2

Not the kid’s soapbox, the school’s and he had formed an agreement on what was to be said so 1st. amend. doesn’t enter into the question. Simple as that.


167 posted on 06/08/2013 4:17:31 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Ultimate control resides in the people. You seem to have forgotten that part. So did the school thugs.”

Then anyone of “the people” can walk into the school and use any equipment they wish for whatever they wish. Right. Try that out some time and let me know how it works out.


168 posted on 06/08/2013 4:30:40 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
No one is talking about that. That would be your strawman.

What is under discussion is corrective action by the people to return the educrat thugs to their proper role in society.

Which includes schoolchildren speaking freely, IAW the Constitution of the US.

/johnny

169 posted on 06/08/2013 4:34:53 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: AlmaKing
You idiot.

Well, you may be correct, at least in the sense that I presumed you would be able to follow a simple and obvious elementary school analogy.

170 posted on 06/08/2013 4:38:55 PM PDT by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." This from a guy who never had a real job and his family starved.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
When the position stated becomes exposed as foolish a call of “strawman” is oh so predictable.

“What is under discussion....” What is under discussion is some kid thinking he can do what he wants despite an agreement made. He didn't keep his agreement and had his soapbox taken away. Boo-Hoo and tough but that's life.

171 posted on 06/08/2013 5:03:26 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
The school shouldn't have been in a position to force the agreement. An agreement made under duress is void.

I will work to ensure in Texas that schools are not in that position in the future. I've already written my local rep and senator.

The people will get the last word. The schools will not.

Their rules suck.

/johnny

172 posted on 06/08/2013 5:06:53 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
“I've already written my local rep and senator.”

Yippeee-skippeee! Be sure to toss in the phrase, “Power to the people!”, they'll be impressed.

173 posted on 06/08/2013 5:16:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
Considering that they know I will walk the neighborhood to get them booted if they don't pay attention, they are fairly respectful. I've done it before.

I also have the ((((Boot Dewhurst in 2014)))) ping list here on FR.

/johnny

174 posted on 06/08/2013 5:20:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: AtlasStalled

A Texas high school silenced its Valedictorian’s microphone during his speech

Better planning next year: Set up a simple speaker with receiver and a wireless mic prior to arrival of the crowd. Probably wouldn’t even be noticed during setup.

Wear the wireless mic when giving the speech and let them panic while trying to cut the student off.


175 posted on 06/08/2013 5:45:35 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: NohSpinZone

he was fully aware of the school’s rules and decided to shirk them.

Rightfully so. Schools enforcing “approved speech” only deserve a challenge to their policies of speech repression. They can justify all they wish but these policies need to be challenged head on.


176 posted on 06/08/2013 5:58:29 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: cableguymn

Amarillo ... or anywhere north of that might work for you then. They get snow up that way.


177 posted on 06/08/2013 6:01:22 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: bandleader

TX has a lot more RINOs than one would think: they just don’t use the term here.


178 posted on 06/08/2013 6:32:29 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Dewhurst may have four opponents: a good recipe for keeping him around, but thankfully there is a runoff possible again.


180 posted on 06/08/2013 6:33:48 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Theodore R.
That's part of the reason for the ping list. Decide early and push hard for the best.

/johnny

181 posted on 06/08/2013 6:37:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Gene Eric
Now? Sorta like forever. ;)

/johnny

182 posted on 06/08/2013 6:38:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: count-your-change

We all need information....name of school, Principal, phone numbers, emails!!!!!!!!!


183 posted on 06/08/2013 6:59:56 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: pollywog

I don’t have it.


184 posted on 06/08/2013 7:22:10 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: frog in a pot; P-Marlowe
Does the classroom teacher have the authority to take action against a student who is being profane and obscene during a class? If so, should they have that authority? If they exercise that authority, have they violated the student’s right of free speech?

First, the student being a forced citizen within a government institution is not just my perspective. It is the perspective of courts that have distinguished between the free speech rights of students and teachers. A teacher cannot lead prayer in school because they are a government employee. The student can spontaneously lead prayer because they are a citizen attendee of a required institution and have not lost their free speech rights.

Why can the student not abuse the teacher during class with profanity? Because discipline and good order has been ruled to have certain parameters that are within the domain of the institution to control. Abuse has been ruled out of bounds.

However, when the school willingly permits the student to speak publicly and one is dealing with protected political or other speech that is permitted in other areas of the school, then the opinion of that freely permitted citizen is not censorable.

Does the school have the authority to turn off the microphone? Sure they do. However, the student can still speak loudly. Can the school then cancel the ceremony right in the middle? They can.

At some point, though, one has to wonder why they want to look foolish in public to prevent a student from giving his opinion on the constitution, the government, or on religion.

The audience is full of citizens. They can decide if the student's words have merit or are foolish.

There is no harm being done. No one is being abused, no one threatened. Let the citizens decide.

185 posted on 06/08/2013 7:28:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: count-your-change
Some high school kid doesn’t get his way and that means tyrants are taking over.

The tyrants have taken over. Where ya been?

You think government, as they routinely lie, threaten, intimidate, investigation, fine, audit and harass law abiding individuals and groups, is somehow honorable and legitimate?

You seem a bit slow...Or maybe just 9 cents short of a dime...

186 posted on 06/08/2013 7:34:12 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: count-your-change
If the destroyed speech was what he agreed to give then he was being just as dishonest and that dishonesty cannot be buried in rote recitation of Scripture.

You're missing the forest for the trees, friend.

187 posted on 06/08/2013 8:03:26 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Another Silent Running ping has been detected!

“Silent Runnning (On Dangerous Ground)” (1985)
by Mike and The Mechanics

According to Mike Rutherford (from Mike and The Mechanics), the song is about a guy who’s traveled light-years away, out in space somewhere, and he’s ahead in time. Therefore he knows what’s going to happen to his wife and kids back home, on Earth. And he’s trying to get the message to them to say what’s going to happen, the kind of anarchy, the breakdown of society, to tell them to be prepared

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep7W89I_V_g

Take the children and yourself
And hide out in the cellar
By now the fighting will be close at hand
Don’t believe the church and state
And everything they tell you
Believe in me, I’m with the high command

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

There’s a gun and ammunition
Just inside the doorway
Use it only in emergency
Better you should pray to God
The Father and the Spirit
Will guide you and protect from up here

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

Can you hear me running (can you hear me calling you?)
(Can you hear me) hear me calling you?
(Can you hear me running) hear me running babe?
(Can you hear me running) hear me running?
Calling you, calling you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Running_%28On_Dangerous_Ground%29

“A Call To Arms”
by Mike and The Mechanics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzHHj1cBDJk

Pass the word, it’s a call to arms
Midnight man at your door
Blackened faces run in the night
Daybreak under the floor

Bring my bow
Fill my head with flame, and we must
Let them know that the torch is lit again
Crystalize the pain behind your eyes
Are you ready to fight?

(you hear the drum and) run for your life
(sweet avalon the heat is on)
In other words, I hope and pray
That time and tide wash the hate away
A simple man with simple thoughts
Who turned to force as a last resort

All around us, chaos rings
Buildings crumbling down
Silhouettes in the fiery rain
Timbers crash to the ground

Bring my spear, invested with my youth
Bring the children near, they must now be told the truth
Old and young and those of foreign tongue
Are you ready to fight?

(you hear the drum and) run for your life
(sweet avalon the heat is on)
In other words, I hope and pray
That time and tide wash the hate away
A simple man with simple thoughts
Who turned to force as a last resort

In other words, I hope and pray
That time and tide keep the day away
When simple men with simple thoughts
Will turn to force as a last recourse


188 posted on 06/08/2013 8:16:36 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Windflier

And you’re making a forest from a tree.


189 posted on 06/08/2013 9:12:03 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: dragnet2

Get a grip, man! A high school kid doesn’t get to give a speech...it’s not a constitutional crisis.


190 posted on 06/08/2013 9:18:26 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
A high school kid doesn’t get to give a speech.

It's a government school...His speech had to be pre-approved by govenrment employees.

There were people with their hands on the microphone cut-off button...What were they so afraid of hearing?

BTW, I knew you'd evade the question...

191 posted on 06/08/2013 9:25:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: count-your-change
And you’re making a forest from a tree.

I'm glad you know what that means. I'm sure no one else here does.

192 posted on 06/08/2013 9:32:25 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: dragnet2

Don’t like the rules, don’t play the game. Don’t confuse “evading” a question with ignoring it.


193 posted on 06/08/2013 9:37:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

Don’t matter what I say...Corrupt public government schools and their corrupt unions have created the distrust and nasty reputation, and they now have...Just like rest of government.


194 posted on 06/08/2013 9:43:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: count-your-change
Get a grip, man! A high school kid doesn't get to give a speech...it’s not a constitutional crisis.

It is unfortunate that so many here have chosen to make this a crisis when it is not. We entrust school officials to maintain discipline and decorum and they cannot do that without imposing reasonable rules. What is said at a graduation ceremony likely attended by grandparents, parents and siblings is no exception and the rule seems quite reasonable. No school official could anticipate what was going to be said and it is quite unreasonable to suggest they could and took the action they took because they are against the Constitution.

Why didn't the speaker submit his pro-constitution speech for approval? If it were not approved, then he would have a case about whether it was appropriate or not. Some here think the school is a public forum where anyone is entitled to grab the microphone and say whatever they please as an exercise of their First Amendment rights. It is not and people would be jumping all over those officials if they allowed that podium to be used for any and every cause that came along.

I didn't send my children to school to practice their First Amendment rights but to learn and behave themselves. I expected the school to make reasonable rules concerning what my children would be exposed to since they were in effect the custodians of my children. We are talking about children, not mature and reasoning adults. We are talking about a school and not the public square. Those who can't see the difference are not thinking, but reacting.

195 posted on 06/09/2013 5:39:24 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: AtlasStalled; All

Who says you need a microphone...Once that mic was turned off, if the audience could cool down, I would have kept right on speaking...A little louder of course...

I agree the pre-approved speech craphas got to go...If the kids was really smart he should have delivered for “ahem” pre-approval his Constitutional remarks in that speach...Let them try to keep him off message that way, and keep the origianl speech (before they edited it) tucked away for safe keeping for proof of the districts’ shinanigans...

When certain people feel the Constitution is too contraversial, then the burn is on those people, not us who understand the show...Those people need to be outed for what they are and replaced by the people in that district...


196 posted on 06/09/2013 6:13:06 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: trubolotta

And THAT is the whole point! Not whether the school or its officials are good or bad, not whether the speech or speaker was good or bad, but whether the school’s microphone is a public soapbox. It is not.


197 posted on 06/09/2013 6:22:35 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom; All

Unless the power has the switch to the microphone...


198 posted on 06/09/2013 6:28:09 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: AtlasStalled
the kid should have brought his own speaker system...like a bullhorn or such.??
199 posted on 06/09/2013 6:30:57 AM PDT by unread
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To: AtlasStalled; All

Wow, Joshua, Texas is not too far from where the tornados hit Cleaburn, Texas before the ones in Oklahoma grabbed the headlines a few weeks ago...

hmmmmm...Just a geographic discovery I suppose...;-)


200 posted on 06/09/2013 6:36:20 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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