Posted on 06/10/2013 4:36:24 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO: I would describe this man as an American hero, as a person willing to risk life, limb and liberty in order to expose to the American people one of the most extraordinary violations of the American principles, value judgments and the Constitution itself in all of our history.
A person so familiar with the intelligence community, as you just heard from the excerpts that you just played. He's aware of the personal danger to himself. He knows of the likelihood of prosecution. But he also understands that the government listening to half the country is not what was bargained for when statues were enacted in the days and weeks after 9/11...
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(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
Seriously, don't try to fool people with that tale.
I'm glad somebody else noticed. I heard a lot of fallacious arguments on that show today.
Muawiyah, I think you might be interested in this demonstration of the power of metadata. I didn’t want to start a thread, but your kind of thinking made me think of you as I read this:
http://kieranhealy.org//blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/
amen brother
It is a funny day to see FREEPERS agreeing with Janet Reno and not John Bolton. Oh well that is America!
So you support the feds breaking the law to spy on Americans? Using laws they claim to “protect us” when in fact the Boston Bombers were never caught using this technology.
It’s about CONTROL, not about keeping you safe.
Please get a clue.
I doubt you have even been to Hong Kong recently. It sounds as if you are 20 years behind the times. Freedom in Hong Kong serves the financial interests of China. There are street protests that are unregulated. Internet is unfiltered.
Communism has its days numbered in the mainland. Christianity is growing like wildfire - over 130 million and spreading.
In any case, my job isn’t to teach you. I can open doors for you to inform yourself, but you have to walk through them. Or not, as you wish. Better yet, hop on a plane and experience what is occurring yourself. I won’t have to say a word.
Still, I wish you blessings.
from c-span (From June 9, 2013),
“Chicago Tribune Printers Row Lit Fest”
Fighting For The Press: The Inside Story Of The Pentagon Papers And Other Battles! James Goodale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCqS8gx2Z4c
Daniel Ellsberg “I Think They Have Everything And That Is The Recipe For A TYRANNY In This Country!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7wXVWjVfSY
From zerohedge- open the link “Ellsberg opinion in today’s Guardian”
Pentagon Papers’ Ellsberg Says Snowden Saves Us From The ‘United Stasi Of America’
It is perhaps too early to judge the impact of Edward Snowden’s confirmation of conspiracy fact, but in Pentagon Papers’ Daniel Ellsberg opinion in today’s Guardian, there has not been a more important leak in American history.
Sure ~ eliminate the Chicom cadre that oversees Hong Kong first.
I agree with you on the description, but you also forgot its very expensive. I've read muawiyah's posts long enough that muawiyah has a story and sticks to it, counter points be da**ed.
And shame on Fox News for misrepresenting the current state of the program.
Well, sure.
But how do you handle that wonderful compartmentalization when someone who ostensibly falls into category #2 because they do a single thing that supports that category, but also simultaneously:
1.) Supports someone who despises capitalism and property rights and is doing all they can to destroy them
2.) Supports someone who believes in the government as the source of largesse for redistribution of wealth
3.) Supports someone who believes the right to keep and bear arms is archaic and should be taken away
4.) Supports someone who believes unions are wonderful and should have the weight of the government thrown behind them
5.) Supports someone who believes that industry is evil and should be crushed in favor of governmental programs?
Because even though this guy was a Ron Paul supporter (odious enough in my eyes, as anyone who garners the support of the putrid Code Pinkos is fatally flawed) in his exact words he said: “...I believed in Obama’s promises...”
Just how do we have a nice, neat categorization for that? I think the basic premise of the redefinition as you describe it is flawed. I think it is a good try at a transformational explanation (or prediction) but I don’t think it works.
“I agree with you on the description, but you also forgot its very expensive. I’ve read muawiyah’s posts long enough that muawiyah has a story and sticks to it, counter points be da**ed.”
Yes very expensive. They are not making any more land, and little housing, etc., and high density.
I’ve come to dislike knee-jerk conservatives as much as knee-jerk liberals. Neither is reasonable. Neither reasons.
I agree completely. I also find it somewhat odd that some of the Constitutional Conservatives here keep throwing around the words Treason and Traitor, apparently without knowing what these word mean as defined IN THE CONSTITUTION.
Bolton is wrong on this one.
The government should not be collecting my numbers, emails, phone calls, surfing, and their contents.
But they are. There is no justification for it. I have done nothing wrong.
The only possible explanation is that they are keeping records against people for the day when any particular person might be a threat.
Your acid statements come off making you appear to be a snot-nosed fool.
I side with the man who told me my government has betrayed us all. If you are willing to trade a portion of liberty in exchange for so-called security you deserve neither. Go butt heads with Ben Franklin.
I do think that this type of situation does provide fodder for the “redefinition”, and the number of posts here and elsewhere are proof of that.
I simply don’t think that redefinition can take place in this context, and the way you cleave the two.
I am sincere when I say “nice try” though, because it is thought provoking.
As a group, we aren’t absolutists like the leftists are. There’s room and time for “spirited” but collegial debate. Recall any number of discussions re Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers, the per-house fire company fee, legalizing marijuana, and beat-cop excesses, just to name a few that come to mind immediately.
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