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Judge Napolitano: NSA Leaker Andrew Snowden "An American Hero" (Video at URL
Real Clear Politics ^ | 6/10/2013 | Ian Schwartz

Posted on 06/10/2013 4:36:24 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

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1 posted on 06/10/2013 4:36:24 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Snowden is a sounding board for established political bias.


2 posted on 06/10/2013 4:37:16 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Andrew or Edward?


3 posted on 06/10/2013 4:37:42 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

It is supposed to be Edward, but RCP has Andrew in the title to the article at the website...


4 posted on 06/10/2013 4:39:47 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
You can tell it's true because all the leftists are outraged.

Then enemy of my enemy is my friend.

5 posted on 06/10/2013 4:39:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Forget it, Jake. It's Eric Holder's people.")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

This one is splintering the right isn’t it. Bolton sees it just the opposite.


6 posted on 06/10/2013 4:40:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama lied, four men died, and he went to hide...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

This person is an Obama supporter. A liberal.

The most dangerous threat to this country is not the CIA monitoring telephone numbers (though it IS a threat)

The greatest danger to this republic is pervasive liberalism and the accompanying socialist and Marxist underpinnings. Those underpinnings will destroy this country more thoroughly and completely than any monitoring program possibly could.

Monitoring programs and invasion of privacy can be stopped via oversight if there is the political will on the part of the citizenry and the government to do so.

Advocating and supporting liberal left policies that have as a goal the destruction of property rights and the ability to keep the fruits of your own labor will demolish the “political will on the part of the citizenry and the government” because destroying our wealth is the equivalent (with respect to freedom) to a farmer destroying the seed for next years crops.

Once that is gone, liberty and freedom go with it.

Because this person Snowden is like a blind squirrel that finds a nut by accident isn’t going to make me support or admire him. I think it is a fine circumstance that he did see fit to spill his guts, but I wouldn’t trust him or admire him.

I view him the same way I view an enemy traitor in a time of war who provides my side with information. The traitor may have all kinds of reasons for his actions (I felt I wasn’t getting the appropriate recognition or promotion, I didn’t agree with the direction of the war, etc) but he still supports the basic beliefs of the side he betrays.

In this case, the guy may be a disenchanted Obama supporter, but by all accounts, he still believes in everything a radical Obama believes in, and that makes him my enemy.

Such a time we live in, where I have to admit to myself that I can view some Americans as enemies, but it is true that I do, as in “Enemies Foreign and Domestic”.


7 posted on 06/10/2013 4:41:26 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
as a former NSA wonk, I agree.

The dude is our conscience He really is people.

8 posted on 06/10/2013 4:41:31 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The Judge seems to be one of the few at Fox who realizes that these calls were all within CONUS.

Brett Baier's panel continually referred to calls coming into or going out of the US. Nobody seems to realize that terrorists don't sign a contract with Verizon or AT$t. They use disposable phones. This program isn't going to touch them.

9 posted on 06/10/2013 4:41:57 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: DoughtyOne

Bolton seem to be a RINO.


10 posted on 06/10/2013 4:42:17 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not all the Leftists. There’s a guy posting on that RCP comments sections that believes, in a nutshell, that Snowden is a traitor because disclosure threatens Dear Leader.


11 posted on 06/10/2013 4:42:45 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: DoughtyOne
This one is splintering the right isn’t it. Bolton sees it just the opposite.

I think it is a case of if you are for big government, Right or Left, you hate this guy. If you are for little government, Right or Left, you support this guy.
The Left, although not monolithic, pretty much support big government - so they are nearly unanimous in their hatred for Snowden. The Right is more split between its big government and little government supporters.

12 posted on 06/10/2013 4:44:23 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Now we have to listen to all of these talking heads and the Bush Patriot Act supporters defend the (un)constitutional basis of gathering our personal information without our knowledge. Oh, doesn’t it make their loyalty of this program to Bush validated. The people on Fox (The Five) really proves their loyalty to the government. Very alarming to hear most of the panel except Beckel think the leaker was being so bad to defame their precious government.. The law was not intended for snooping on all of the citizens. They want to see who is opposed to their government, I assume. I think it will come down to those who support liberty and those who think government will protect them. This government is out of control and have the permission from most talking heads to keep it up. Bolton is making a fool of himself which from time to time, he does. I agree with the Judge here.


13 posted on 06/10/2013 4:46:37 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: rlmorel

Surveillance will be harnessed to subject everyone to unending leftism.

So take care what power you allow in anyone’s hands.


14 posted on 06/10/2013 4:47:28 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (TSARNAEVs escaped PRISM. Can you?)
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To: rlmorel
This person is an Obama supporter. A liberal.

If you are referring to Snowden, he contributed to Ron Paul more than once.

15 posted on 06/10/2013 4:47:42 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Very good point.


16 posted on 06/10/2013 4:48:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama lied, four men died, and he went to hide...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

He’s seemed pretty solid to me up to this point. I don’t remember disagreeing with him stridently in the past.


17 posted on 06/10/2013 4:48:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama lied, four men died, and he went to hide...)
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To: El Cid

I admit that’s worth keeping in mind as you think about this one. I agree.


18 posted on 06/10/2013 4:49:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama lied, four men died, and he went to hide...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I say bull shit to that... this guy is a traitor...And if the majority of FRpers are seeing that way, then I’m out of here.


19 posted on 06/10/2013 4:52:19 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: shalom aleichem

If Snowden gave up 200k per year, he had a good reason to come forward.


20 posted on 06/10/2013 4:54:37 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell)
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To: Veto!

LOL...any guy who corrals support from Code Pink has followers that are both liberal and demented. That about covers a good part of the spectrum.


21 posted on 06/10/2013 4:54:43 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Actually, all the leftwingtards aren't on the same page with this guy ~ and neither are Conservatives.

My personal opinion is that the story hasn't played out enough that it's a wise to SIDE WITH HIM ~ in fact, just the opposite.

I see an Alger Hiss moment coming when this guy is revealed as a Chinese agent.

Worth noting that Hiss sided with Sacco and Vanzetti and maintained they were innocent ~ and a similar group in the Boston area consists of young, impressionable women who want Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to father their babies.

Showing up waving a flag for Snowden may well damage your credit rating as well as your credibility~and ladies, since he's running around loose, and Tsarnaev isn't, this is your chance to get a real sperm donation from the current hero of the gullible and naive.

22 posted on 06/10/2013 4:55:42 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: rlmorel

I think he’s more of a Paul-ite, with liberal tenancies. He went third party, but was hopeful Obama would right the wrongs of the past. That’s a total definition of the Ron Paul anti-Bush feelings of 2008.


23 posted on 06/10/2013 4:56:32 PM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: rickmichaels

It is Judge Andrew Napolitano, as you would see if you played the video at the link.


24 posted on 06/10/2013 4:57:58 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: rlmorel
We didn't hear him criticize the ObamaKKKare operation that's going to bankrupt the middle class, reduce the working poor to slavery, and probably starve to death the nonworking poor, elderly, babies, and orphans.

To a degree it's possible to evaluate someone in terms of what they don't disagree with. I think he's a hard core Maoist.

25 posted on 06/10/2013 4:59:04 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: nikos1121

I support The Bill of Rights generally, the 4th Amendment particularly, and Snowden’s exposing Obama’s abuse of both.

If you would prefer a country that spies on your every move, I understand NORTH KOREA is taking immigrants. And you won’t have to worry about us pesky liberty minded Freepers when you get there.

So, please feel free .... don’t let the door hit you and all that.


26 posted on 06/10/2013 5:00:27 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (TSARNAEVs escaped PRISM. Can you?)
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To: nikos1121

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.


27 posted on 06/10/2013 5:01:42 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell)
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To: muawiyah

Showing up waving a flag for Snowden may well damage your credit rating

No offense but what would that have to do with someone’s
credit rating, unless other forces ARE at play here.


28 posted on 06/10/2013 5:03:36 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Don’t forget Benghazi! This is big, but its NOT BENGHAZI! This was all leaked for a reason. Same thing with the IRS and now the insider trading at HHS. Keep your eye on the BALL! BENGHAZI and only BENGHAZI takes them ALL DOWN!


29 posted on 06/10/2013 5:04:12 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Conspiracy theorists of the right and left think that he is some kind of hero.

Advocates of strong government on right and left think he is a demon.

Those who are more considered realize that: (1) if what he says is exactly accurate in all respects, then it was important for the American people to know about it, and (2) if he were a hero, he would have stayed in the US and demanded justice.

When Snowden praises Manning, one needs to reflect a bit.

30 posted on 06/10/2013 5:04:12 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Uncle Miltie
If you prefer a country that fails to use the best possible surveillance technology to keep track of foreign enemies, or those who could be enemies, may I recommend Saudi Arabia ~ they do it the old fashioned way ~ first, nobody comes in without signing a contract, and then they gotta' stay in Riyadh.

The religious police take care of everything from that point on.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out ~ and planes are leaving hourly from numerous points.

31 posted on 06/10/2013 5:05:31 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: savedbygrace

I’m referring to Snowden, not Napolitano, as you would see if you had understood my question.


32 posted on 06/10/2013 5:06:09 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: Uncle Miltie

As I said in my post, surveillance can, in my opinion, be regulated and stopped, often very quickly.

Liberalism, on the other hand, cannot be easily undone. It is like a brain tumor, reaching into the sulci and crevasses of government, society and culture to the point where it cannot be removed without killing the host, which it eventually kills anyway.

Liberalism is the chicken, and this surveillance is the egg.


33 posted on 06/10/2013 5:06:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: cumbo78

I hear ya, but the congresscritters won’t ask relevant questions, like: What were over 30 CIA guys doing there? Etc.


34 posted on 06/10/2013 5:06:48 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (TSARNAEVs escaped PRISM. Can you?)
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To: El Cid

I think it is a case of if you are for big government, Right or Left, you hate this guy. If you are for little government, Right or Left, you support this guy.
The Left, although not monolithic, pretty much support big government - so they are nearly unanimous in their hatred for Snowden. The Right is more split between its big government and little government supporters.


This is one good explanation for the schism. I would add that people who have had power abused against them are more likely to be supportive of him, and the inverse.


35 posted on 06/10/2013 5:07:51 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: tet68

After we have our Alger Hiss moment, credit ratings will suffer ~ and there’s nothing any of us can do about it. But in today’s world there’ll be no beating about the bush like in the days of HUAC and its antiquated notions of public hearings. The internet will do its job instantaneously!


36 posted on 06/10/2013 5:07:51 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

How can a terrorist (or anyone) use a disposable phone without a contract with a telephone company? Clue me in here. Is there a short term contract that is so short it doesn’t require identifying the user?

I’m serious. I don’t know the answer.


37 posted on 06/10/2013 5:08:37 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I don’t think this is a right/left issue. It appears this guy, unlike Bradly Manning was careful not to release info that would put people in danger. The only people that are endangered are the ones whose heads may roll for running such a overbearing dragnet. I have mixed views on him. Manning I felt was a traitor. This guy I’m taking a wait and see attitude on. It doesn’t look good him going to Hong Cong though. The government is definitely pushing the boundaries of legitimacy. Someone needed to speak out.


38 posted on 06/10/2013 5:10:42 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obama; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: kitkat

Pay cash buy minutes on an air card. Activate from the phone itself. No PII given.

http://www.target.com/c/prepaid-cell-phones-electronics/-/N-5xte4


39 posted on 06/10/2013 5:12:38 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: rlmorel

I view him the same way I view an enemy traitor in a time of war who provides my side with information. The traitor may have all kinds of reasons for his actions (I felt I wasn’t getting the appropriate recognition or promotion, I didn’t agree with the direction of the war, etc) but he still supports the basic beliefs of the side he betrays.


Our government is at war alright. At war against the American people and our freedom - not Islamists. Obama’s people are using the government police state to harass and smear his political and social opponents as domestic terrorists. I’ve read seen the documents targeting all conservative groups and Vets.


40 posted on 06/10/2013 5:13:33 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: rlmorel

I think we can agree we’re discussing the relative horrors of two liberty destroying phenomena. Fair enough. Both suck. ;-)


41 posted on 06/10/2013 5:13:45 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (TSARNAEVs escaped PRISM. Can you?)
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To: muawiyah

Right. As I said in my posting, he still subscribes to the policies of the Left, which negates any respect or gratitude I can extend to him.

If he came out and said “I was wrong. I believed all these things that the left believes, but I have come to see how corrosive and destructive they are...” I would be right by his side.

It is why I view Whittaker Chambers as one of the most important people in the 20th Century (See my freep page) because he was an acolyte of one of the most bloodthirsty, repressive, brutal ideologies of all time, and managed to see the light. His book “Witness” is one of the top two most influential books in my adult life.


42 posted on 06/10/2013 5:14:07 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: kitkat

Go to wally world, buy a cheapo $19.99 clamshell dumb phone with cash. Buy a minutes card too, with cash. No contract.

You didn’t know that?


43 posted on 06/10/2013 5:14:08 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Very true. We can definitely agree on that. Thank you for pointing that out.


44 posted on 06/10/2013 5:14:57 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Can we really say we know all of the facts about this? I trust nothing presented by the MSM. Yet an other distraction from obama criminal actions in Benghazi.


45 posted on 06/10/2013 5:16:06 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: nikos1121

Exposing an expanding police state makes someone a traitor? No, that makes the government treasonous.


46 posted on 06/10/2013 5:16:42 PM PDT by RB156
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To: muawiyah

Selling red armbands is a good calling for a sjpporter of pervasive surveillance of the innocent. Keep up the good work, comrade, and don’t fail to meet Dear Leader’s QUOTA!


47 posted on 06/10/2013 5:16:56 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (TSARNAEVs escaped PRISM. Can you?)
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To: SaraJohnson

Yes. They are using the muscle of government to battle their ideological foes like no other in this country ever has in modern history.


48 posted on 06/10/2013 5:17:06 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I have always felt that he is Ann Coulter in drag:

Blustery, but typically preaching to the choir during times of relative calm, when it doesn’t really matter. I’m not sure you can work in the Executive Branch without becoming tainted by the concentration of power.


49 posted on 06/10/2013 5:17:28 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: gov_bean_ counter

THANK YOU for the information.


50 posted on 06/10/2013 5:17:57 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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