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Judge Napolitano: NSA Leaker Andrew Snowden "An American Hero" (Video at URL
Real Clear Politics ^ | 6/10/2013 | Ian Schwartz

Posted on 06/10/2013 4:36:24 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: Chaguito

http://www.hanford.gov/c.cfm/oci/ci_spy.cfm?dossier=54 ~ one of many sources that cover Paul Revere’s collection and usage of colonial metadata. Kept him a step ahead of a resolute and blood thirsty enemy!


101 posted on 06/10/2013 6:05:31 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I take it you’ve been to Lan Kwai Fong? There used to be a nice cigar place you could get Cuban cigars (just make sure you dropped the ashes in the conveniently placed receptacles along the street...)


102 posted on 06/10/2013 6:06:03 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe

No, sorry, not a cigar guy - or tobacco guy. Too much breathing smoke growing up to appreciate it as an adult.


103 posted on 06/10/2013 6:08:26 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Hugh the Scot

I don’t view this guy as treasonous and traitorous any more than I might view any run of the mill far left liberal...:)

I don’t even bother using the terms anymore. They have absolutely zero meaning, because they are unenforced, even when blatant actions should have demanded it.

When Jane Fonda went to North Vietnam, that killed the concept for good. Actually, when Alger Hiss and his buddies got away with all they did without barely a slap on the wrist, that is when TREASON and TRAITOR died.

Our founders were right, though, to make that bar a very high one.


104 posted on 06/10/2013 6:09:03 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: steerpike100
Ben Franklin bracketed the key words with adjectives ~ he was not an open borders sort of guy and actually advocated that Americans shoot foreign invaders.

BTW, your proposed version of what Franklin is reported to have said or written deviates significantly. You might read up on it.

Now, about 'snot', snuf it up puke!

105 posted on 06/10/2013 6:09:15 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: rlmorel

That is exactly why the government is designed for it to have no muscle to do this. Now it has it’s own domestic army, is abusing and molesting people, spying on them...

The Patriot Act was a huge mistake. I’d rather be free than “safe” under the thumb of a KGB with no rights.

FEMA needs to be weeded out too.


106 posted on 06/10/2013 6:09:19 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Heck, can we throw the EPA into that mix as well?


107 posted on 06/10/2013 6:10:27 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: rlmorel

That is exactly why the government is designed for it to have no muscle to do this. Now it has it’s own domestic army, is abusing and molesting people, spying on them...

The Patriot Act was a huge mistake. I’d rather be free than “safe” under the thumb of a KGB with no rights. They have left the border wide open for jihadists and WMD, anyway. It’s all b.s.

FEMA needs to be weeded out too.


108 posted on 06/10/2013 6:11:26 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
That is exactly why the government is designed for it to have no muscle to do this. Now it has it’s own domestic army, is abusing and molesting people, spying on them...

What needs to happen is to restrict gun rights for the common people/s
109 posted on 06/10/2013 6:13:15 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: El Cid

This one defies political lines. Glenn Beck and Michael Moore for Snowden; Bill Maher and Robert Bolton oppose.


110 posted on 06/10/2013 6:16:12 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

You know Snowden is a hero when Barry’s toads at the WaPo publish a “poll” saying that 56% of the jugheads living in this country does not mind if the government is invading their privacy and snooping on them.


111 posted on 06/10/2013 6:17:55 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If you think ObamaCare is a train wreck, wait until you see the amnesty bill.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; El Cid

I simply don’t think this is (or should be) a political issue.

ANY government employee who saw this SHOULD have spoken out, left or right.

I think trying to shoehorn left or right into this is a mistake.

If someone murdered someone in cold blood, we wouldn’t try to muster for or against it on the basis of politics. Right is right and wrong is wrong.


112 posted on 06/10/2013 6:19:51 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

"But none of the means of information are more sacred, or have been cherished with more tenderness and care by the settlers of America, than the press. Care has been taken that the art of printing should be encouraged, and that it should be easy and cheap and safe for any person to communicate his thoughts to the public. And you, Messieurs printers, whatever the tyrants of the earth may say of your paper, have done important service to your country by your readiness and freedom in publishing the speculations of the curious. The stale, impudent insinuations of slander and sedition with which the gormandizers of power have endeavored to discredit your paper are so much the more to your honor; for the jaws of power are always opened to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing." - A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1765

HereNote: underlining added for emphasis.

Words from an ancient wisdom book: "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9

Will we, in the 21st Century allow the "jaws of power" to invade the "rights of conscience," of "thinking, speaking, and writing" which the U. S. Constitution's Framers set outside the purview of such "gormandizers of power" in government?

113 posted on 06/10/2013 6:19:57 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: rlmorel

You are absolutely correct that our society and our nation have lost sight of those meanings, and the examples given demonstrate this clearly enough... I guess I just expect better from Freepers (and John Bolton).
Personally, I’d prefer a government that keeps no secrets at all to one that violates its own charter by spying on its citizens without cause. The terrorists were never as great a threat as the politicians are.


114 posted on 06/10/2013 6:20:14 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: muawiyah

Meh! Bootlicker. I hope your chains wear well on you.


115 posted on 06/10/2013 6:21:45 PM PDT by steerpike100
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To: rickmichaels
Judge Andrew Napolitano.

Edward Snowden.

Someone merely got mixed up composing the title...

116 posted on 06/10/2013 6:21:58 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I would disagree that it is that easy. Those who think this guy is a snake because he made Dear Leader look bad are just as wrong-headed as those who think he is a hero because he may have done something right.

If someone says “I saw a guy put that suitcase down on the floor over there and then walk quickly out of the airport” and it turns out to be a bomb, that person isn’t a hero, they did what they should have done regardless of whether they are a Tea Party patriot or a Libtard.


117 posted on 06/10/2013 6:25:24 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: rlmorel

Agreed. But in this case, Snowden is both right and wrong. Revealing the unconscionable abuse of power was right, revealing it to The Guardian & WaPo was wrong.


118 posted on 06/10/2013 6:31:43 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
revealing it to The Guardian & WaPo was wrong

So what was he supposed to do? Go to his boss?

Snowden is a hero who exposed an illegal and Unconstitutional program which was never intended under the Patriot Act.
119 posted on 06/10/2013 6:34:14 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
This leak if that is what it really is, does not surprise me in the slightest. Dear leader has always solicited the spy methodology by hook or crook to win elections. And liberals want back that power of their purse, the peoples house. Not that our weeping Bonehead has the mind and spine to stand against their need to control.

Liberalism is a narcissistic mental disorder. Had this taken place under a Republican the JonStewart media would be demanding that Republican frog marched up the capitol steps.

The NSA had to have been ‘ordered’ and funded to collect our data. Who ordered it, when was it ordered and WHY? It surely cannot be claimed this is to protect US else that Boston Marathon would not have ended in carnage.

120 posted on 06/10/2013 6:40:26 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: SaraJohnson

You mean OSHA ~ FEMA simply spends money. OSHA spends your money!


121 posted on 06/10/2013 6:41:24 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: Just mythoughts

So very true. Somebody changed the rules and Americans need to demand to know who that was.


122 posted on 06/10/2013 6:41:54 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I’m curious. I don’t see this guy as a hero; but how was it “wrong” to go to the press?


123 posted on 06/10/2013 6:44:16 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: steerpike100
I suspect strongly you are an enemy agent who wants us to drop our guard and get back quickly to a pre-9/11 point of view.

Those days are over ~ but we have a backup approach for you people ~ thermonuclear warfare conducted such that the Middle East can continue providing gas and oil, but with no people!

Do you think you'd like that?

124 posted on 06/10/2013 6:44:16 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: muawiyah

If you prefer a country that fails to use the best possible surveillance technology to keep track of foreign enemies
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Are you lumping spying on private citizens without cause into that category?


125 posted on 06/10/2013 6:45:00 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: austinaero

The spying part is directed at enemy aliens and foreigners. Frankly, no one cares if you guys are spied on.


126 posted on 06/10/2013 6:46:53 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Anybody notice where Snowden is residing at present? Hong Kong and who controls HK, the PRC. Who did our dear leader just have a meeting with in Santa Monica? The new PRC president Xi or #11 as some refer to him. I'll bet Snowden hightailed it to HK for a reason and the PRC has D.C. by the short hairs as in you want this guy you deal for him say drilling rights in Alaskan oil or gas fields or stand back as we annex Taiwan. Nothing at this point could be to outrageous.
127 posted on 06/10/2013 6:48:25 PM PDT by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: Red in Blue PA

He broke the law in disclosing classified material through other than whistleblower means. That was wrong.

He exposed an abuse of power, the scope of which we haven’t seen before. That was right.


128 posted on 06/10/2013 6:48:45 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Legally, he should’ve sought whistleblower status. So I meant wrong in the legal sense not in the moral sense.


129 posted on 06/10/2013 6:51:30 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Disposable communications is lesson 101 in terror cell operations. Fake ID the dimwit at Best Buy. Use the phone for a week or two, and dump it or sell it to some punk kid.


130 posted on 06/10/2013 6:51:52 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: muawiyah

The spying part is directed at enemy aliens and foreigners. Frankly, no one cares if you guys are spied on.
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and you know this how?


131 posted on 06/10/2013 6:53:43 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: muawiyah

There is no evidence that “they” dumped him.

When your pay hits the top of the scale, it is quite common to join a consulting firm, take on a new (or the same) assignment and have the firm bill your time as an expense in a cost-plus contract.

People in SigInt IT with active clearances are paid a lot.


132 posted on 06/10/2013 6:54:38 PM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: muawiyah

So when NSA analysts admit (which they have) using their power to spy on citizens they hold grudges against,,,and
when NSA analysts admit (which they have) listening in on phone calls/phone sex between soldiers in Iraq and their loved ones back home,,you want to say the NSA is merely gleaning foreign ‘enemy’ information?

Really. I’d like to see you prove that. The situations I just mentioned actually have been admitted to by NSA.


133 posted on 06/10/2013 6:56:02 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Here’s what the government has obtained, and MUCH MORE more (let your imagination run wild):

A GUN REGISTRY
A list of all gun owners and everything they say, think, do and buy
A list of all pro-lifers and everything they say, think, do and buy
A list of all conservative groups
A list of where all meet and when
A list of EVERY SINGLE COMMUNICATION between any of them,
all their financial transactions
all the websites they visit
everything they say on a conservative forum
everything about their kids
where they go
what they do
when their kids go to school and what time they get home from band practice...
EVERYTHING.

ETC ETC ETC INFINITY

Oh, you say it takes a SEARCH WARRANT to see all this??? HAHAHA Ok, sure. I’ll play along.

(We’ll pretend the last few weeks of IRS abuses weren’t exposed to us).

Who do you think APPOINTS the judges that approve the warrants?
It was a judge who authorized the AP surveillance of 20 phones and 100 journalists...for no good reason.

Think that won’t happen to the Tea Party, etc?
GET REAL my friend.

And by the way, we are one Supreme Court Justice away from outlawing the Fourth Amendment all together.

You truly think that little piece of paper will protect us from the greatest temptation to totalitarian power this world has ever known?

If so, you’re sure a trusting soul. Just look at that little piece of paper called the Constitution if you believe that.


134 posted on 06/10/2013 6:57:47 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (The Buck Stops Over There.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

The “classified information” appears to be that the government was directly violating the 4th amendment and spying on US Citizens without any legitimate reason.

I wouldn’t agree that, just because the government decides to conceal its criminal activities behind “classification”, a citizen is under any obligation to respect that.


135 posted on 06/10/2013 6:58:21 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
During the biggest economic downturn in this country since Roosevelt this guy moves from a high paying job to a high paying job ~ yeah, that's normal ~ but more difficult ~ and then he tells us stories that you want to believe so bad........

He made donations to Ron Paul. Not a good sign.

He was canned ~

136 posted on 06/10/2013 7:02:04 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Ok. I get this. Thank you for clarifying.


137 posted on 06/10/2013 7:03:14 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: BuckeyeTexan
This one defies political lines. Glenn Beck and Michael Moore for Snowden; Bill Maher and Robert Bolton oppose.

I admit, that mix of names makes it tough for me to pigeon hole. I'd have described those as little government, big government, big government, big government. So I can see the last two. I'll just attribute Michael Moore as just being a contrarian jerk (voila!).

138 posted on 06/10/2013 7:03:19 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: DoughtyOne
This one is splintering the right isn’t it. Bolton sees it just the opposite.

Geez. Who cares what Michael Bolton thinks about this? Shut up and sing, Bolton!

139 posted on 06/10/2013 7:03:38 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: nikos1121

He went overseas because if he tried to go the American press, not only would it never be reported on, he and potentially his family would be dead in a matter of hours.


140 posted on 06/10/2013 7:24:42 PM PDT by RB156
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To: xzins

I don’t know what’s going on here. You’ve got the IRS telling religious institutions to keep their faith to themselves. I mean this goes way beyond terrorism IMO. It could very easily be used to target every single one of your political opponents.

Even if you only took out 1% of the opposition with technological research, it would scare the other 99% into compliance. You would have completely neutered your opposition.

This IS NOT looking good, and the Republicans in the Congress might just as well be in a coma as alert these days.


141 posted on 06/10/2013 7:27:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama lied, four men died, and he went to hide...)
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To: kiryandil

Not THAT Bolton...


142 posted on 06/10/2013 7:28:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama lied, four men died, and he went to hide...)
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To: cumbo78
Don’t forget Benghazi! This is big, but its NOT BENGHAZI! This was all leaked for a reason. Same thing with the IRS and now the insider trading at HHS. Keep your eye on the BALL! BENGHAZI and only BENGHAZI takes them ALL DOWN!

It's bigger than Benghazi, because that incident can be explained/rationalized away as gross incompetence or miscommunication — this, however, is an absolute and blatant violation of the Fourth & Fifth Amendments (possibly also the Sixth, considering the government info-compilation is building a case against you without informing you of any charges) — this program is the utter rejection of the Constitution by the government, that is why it is bigger than Benghazi.

143 posted on 06/10/2013 7:31:50 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
It’s spooky how many crypto totalitarians there are here. Topics like this flush them into the open.

Agreed.

Tossing The Bill of Rights overboard is a big deal.

The way I see it PRISM is a rejection of the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments.

144 posted on 06/10/2013 7:35:59 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“...one of the most extraordinary violations of the American principles, value judgments and the Constitution itself in all of our history.”

Well, at least someone gets it.


145 posted on 06/10/2013 7:39:42 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“Bolton seem to be a RINO.”

So who then is not a RINO? I happen to agree with Bolton on this. We can’t have individuals deciding when they can violate their Top Secret obligations.


146 posted on 06/10/2013 7:43:47 PM PDT by willk
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To: DoughtyOne
This one is splintering the right isn’t it. Bolton sees it just the opposite.

It is splintering the left also....maybe not the talking heads so much but go read the posts after every article posted at each news organization....the masses are not happy campers with either party.

147 posted on 06/10/2013 7:52:01 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I agree completely that he could have gone a different channel.


148 posted on 06/10/2013 7:59:54 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: willk
“Bolton seem to be a RINO.”

So who then is not a RINO? I happen to agree with Bolton on this. We can’t have individuals deciding when they can violate their Top Secret obligations.

I have to disagree, "top-secret obligations" are no excuse to violating the Constitution — in the Army you are obligated to refuse unlawful orders; if then soldiers are required to refuse illegitimate orders in a war-zone, no less, then why should the civil government not be required ti act lawfully?

149 posted on 06/10/2013 8:05:12 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: muawiyah

There has been no downturn in DC — it is booming. And the IC cannot hire talent fast enough.

Have you ever worked in the IC or related IT industries?

Here is an interesting North Carolina State University job placement chart for “Master of Science in Analytics” graduates. Note the average salaries have gone up.

http://analytics.ncsu.edu/?page_id=248

Average base salary is $94,500 with a signing bonus of $11,400.

Top salary was $140,000 base.

Snowden’s $200,000 salary and job movement are normal for someone at the top of their game with 10 years experience in this field.


150 posted on 06/10/2013 8:05:47 PM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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