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George Takei Fears NSA Spying Will Lead to Something Much Worse
New York Magazine ^ | 6/11/2013 | Jamie Sharpe

Posted on 06/11/2013 11:02:21 AM PDT by nickcarraway

George Takei is hardly the only American concerned about the NSA's massive surveillance programs. But unlike most people, his fears are rooted in the memory of the government persecution he suffered firsthand in a Japanese internment camp.

"Due process is a pillar of our American justice system," the Star Trek star told Daily Intelligencer last night at the Eighth Annual Stella by Starlight Benefit Gala. "We were rounded up simply because we happened to look like the people who bombed Pearl Harbor. And we were put in prison camps with barbed wire and machine guns pointed at us. It was a horrific violation of our Constitution."

Because of that experience, Takei is particularly wary of the government's powers being abused. "We know where this can go," he said. "We have to be ever vigilant against overstepping of the fundamental ideals of our democracy."

Takei understands that President Obama "is a person who has to deal with a lot of issues." But on the NSA spying programs, he says, "I don't agree."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhonsa; nsa; policestate; prism; takei
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1 posted on 06/11/2013 11:02:21 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 06/11/2013 11:04:10 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: nickcarraway

Maybe more libs will wake up to this, and some so called conservatives too.


3 posted on 06/11/2013 11:05:58 AM PDT by dragonblustar (NSA, can you here me now?)
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To: nickcarraway
First they came for the Jews.......
4 posted on 06/11/2013 11:06:31 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: nickcarraway

George? We already know you’re gay. No blackmail possibilities for you on that one.


5 posted on 06/11/2013 11:08:04 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: nickcarraway

Do I recall correctly that his parents ended up in a Japanese internment camp?


6 posted on 06/11/2013 11:10:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nickcarraway

a. I think the NSA snooping was horrible.

B. I don’t care what George Takei thinks.

C. I imagine he doesn’t much care for what I think, either.


7 posted on 06/11/2013 11:11:20 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Vermont Lt

Takei is hugely popular online. He has over four million followers on Facebook.


8 posted on 06/11/2013 11:12:47 AM PDT by Borges
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To: null and void

Read the article, he is concerned about internment because he has experience with it.


9 posted on 06/11/2013 11:13:22 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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10 posted on 06/11/2013 11:14:09 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: nickcarraway

Japanese in internment camps lived in fairly comfortable billets and roamed around the Army posts, and only those with evidence of associations with Japanese government officials of the time were interned.

That said, though, anyone in favor of illegal surveillance is mentally ill.


11 posted on 06/11/2013 11:16:00 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: nickcarraway; Bender2
Phasers on stun!
12 posted on 06/11/2013 11:17:17 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
George Takei was in the Rhower Internment Camp, same as my mother.
13 posted on 06/11/2013 11:17:22 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: familyop

Yeah, apart from that pesky idea of being “free to go,” the internees were ok. /s


14 posted on 06/11/2013 11:17:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Buckeye McFrog

He was with them (born 1937). They went first to a camp in Arkansas, then one in CA (not, IIRC, the famous Manzanar).


15 posted on 06/11/2013 11:18:46 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: familyop

I know people who were interned (they were kids then), they were not comfortable.

They were stripped of their property both real and financial (never got it back) but more importantly they were stripped of their freedom.


16 posted on 06/11/2013 11:18:48 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: nickcarraway

To go a little off topic, Mr. Sulu isn’t being quite honoest here. People weren’t put into internment camps because they looked Japanese, it’s because they were in fact duel citizens of Japan and the US. They didn’t separate young children from parents however, which is probably why he was included with them.


17 posted on 06/11/2013 11:19:02 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: null and void

He’s on the left’s “safe list”... for now.
Nothing to worry about until after the left allows the Muslims to remove Christians from America.


18 posted on 06/11/2013 11:19:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: familyop
Japanese in internment camps lived in fairly comfortable billets and roamed around the Army posts

Internment/inprisonment of any American CITIZEN without due process, during wartime or not, is an abomination.

19 posted on 06/11/2013 11:22:00 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: nickcarraway
Somehow I just cannot imagine that Takei would have had such a polite reply if this had occurred under George Bush.
20 posted on 06/11/2013 11:22:03 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: chrisinoc

Notable Rohwer internees [edit]
Ruth Asawa (born 1926), a Japanese American sculptor.
Takayo Fischer (born 1932), an American stage, film and TV actress. Also interned at Jerome.
Jim Ishida (born 1943), actor best known for his role as T. Fujitsu, Marty McFly’s future boss in Back To The Future II in 1989
Janice Mirikitani (born 1941), the current poet laureate of San Francisco; co-founder of the Glide Foundation (Glide Memorial Church is featured in the Will Smith film, “The Pursuit of Happiness”). Co-founded with her husband the Rev. Cecil Williams, Glide empowers San Francisco’s disadvantaged members of society through extensive outreach and advocacy efforts.
Henry Sugimoto (1900–1990), Japanese-born artist. Also interned at Jerome.
George Takei (born 1937), an actor best known as Mister Sulu from Star Trek (1966–69). Since his parents refused to take a vow and did not “pass” the loyalty questionnaire, the family was later transferred to Tule Lake War Relocation Center.[5]
Taitetsu Unno (born 1930), a Buddhist scholar, lecturer, and author.


21 posted on 06/11/2013 11:22:09 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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22 posted on 06/11/2013 11:23:18 AM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: nickcarraway

Can we assume he’s also upset about the IRS targeting people because they’re conservative?


23 posted on 06/11/2013 11:23:33 AM PDT by GOPJ (The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it - Josef Mengele (new NSA motto))
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To: ExGeeEye
“He was with them (born 1937). They went first to a camp in Arkansas, then one in CA (not, IIRC, the famous Manzanar).”

He went to Tule Lake after Rohwer. People who refused to sign the loyalty oath were sent there in 1943/1944.

Tule Lake's buildings were intact as late as 1969. I have a friend whose property includes what was part of the camp.

24 posted on 06/11/2013 11:23:53 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: svcw

In 1988, Ronald Reagan signed legislation that apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation said that government actions were based on “race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership”.

The U.S. government disbursed more than $1.6 billion in reparations to Japanese Americans who had been interned and to their heirs.


25 posted on 06/11/2013 11:24:25 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: laplata
I have met George Takei and Jim Ishida before. Both are very pleasant people.
26 posted on 06/11/2013 11:26:43 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: null and void
"We already know you’re gay. No blackmail possibilities for you on that one."

Ha! You beat me to it!

27 posted on 06/11/2013 11:30:50 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
People weren’t put into internment camps because they looked Japanese, it’s because they were in fact duel citizens of Japan and the US.

I hadn't heard that before.

28 posted on 06/11/2013 11:31:09 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Slyfox

lol


29 posted on 06/11/2013 11:31:43 AM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: null and void

Maybe he’s secretly straight and doesn’t want it to come out. Or he listens to Rush Limbaugh.


30 posted on 06/11/2013 11:32:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Obadiah

Yes, and that has nothing to do with GT fears about this act happening again, and put into place by another democrat.


31 posted on 06/11/2013 11:33:44 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: Borges

He has over four million followers on Facebook.

Well demographically that is more than every male homosexual in the country. DO THE MATH:

300,000,000 Americans

49% male 147,000,000 males

77% over 18 years of age: 113,190,000

2.75% homosexual (MAXIMUM): 3,112,725 gay males over 18 years old.


32 posted on 06/11/2013 11:33:46 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: big'ol_freeper

More like Phasers on fabulous!


33 posted on 06/11/2013 11:34:36 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Obadiah

“The U.S. government disbursed more than $1.6 billion in reparations to Japanese Americans who had been interned and to their heirs.”

This is partially true. Those interned and living at the time of the reparation received payment. If the person was deceased at the time, their heirs received nothing.

My parents received $20000 each and a letter signed by President GW Bush. My uncles passed before the reparations took place so my cousins received nothing.


34 posted on 06/11/2013 11:35:10 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: Buckeye McFrog; chrisinoc

It mentions that. Hence his sensitivity about such things.


35 posted on 06/11/2013 11:35:11 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: chrisinoc

I have met George Takei and Jim Ishida before. Both are very pleasant people.


I met George Takei and Lenord Nemoy when I was in college and they were very nice. We got a kick out of meeting them.

My Dad was in Tokyo just as the Occupation got under way in Oct., 1945. One of the first orders from Gen. MacArthur was to treat the Japanese with respect and never, never refer to them or call them “Japs”.


36 posted on 06/11/2013 11:35:19 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: nickcarraway

or maybe this is just ONE issue where SANE Americans from ANY part of the political spectrum CAN AGREE ON?

Sorry, those polls that came out indicating most Dems find this program OK so long as Bush is not in charge are making me ill.


37 posted on 06/11/2013 11:35:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nickcarraway
I appreciate his concerns TODAY, but then, it was more than "because they looked like" certain people. Michelle Malkin has FBI documents of Japanese in Hawaii and California who were out and out spying, including sending pics of Battleship Row and other wartime info.

That said, the bunch currently in charge makes FDR look like Barry Goldwater.

38 posted on 06/11/2013 11:36:50 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Jim from C-Town

His page is fairly free (though not entirely) of HS Agenda stuff. It’s mostly humorous images. His following is a lot more than gay men. Trust me. I’m sure a fair amount of Freepers follow him.


39 posted on 06/11/2013 11:38:02 AM PDT by Borges
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To: null and void

George T. is just a wee-bit behind the curve on this one.

I see he still believes in the “poor, dumb politician didn’t know anything” myth.


40 posted on 06/11/2013 11:40:10 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: LS

That said, the bunch currently in charge makes FDR look like Barry Goldwater.


You got that right. And the current crowd would make Hitler or Stalin look like Boy Scouts if they’re allowed to. Obama and his minions are as evil as they get.


41 posted on 06/11/2013 11:40:56 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: chrisinoc; familyop

Given your personal experience would you agree that only those with associations with Japanese officials were placed in Internment camps? I somehow thought entire families were.


42 posted on 06/11/2013 11:41:54 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: nickcarraway

A little off topic, but I have been seeing some strange divisions on this subject. It does not break down on liberal conservative lines.

There are liberals (and self proclaimed) conservatives supporting Obama on spying on American citizens and there are liberals and conservative opposing it.

I am wondering if Hell has frozen over since I am on the same side as Michael Moore on this.


43 posted on 06/11/2013 11:41:59 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: Ken H

That’s how they were able to identify them. I’m not saying it was right, but I’m not exactly saying it was wrong either. There were actual Japanese spies and sabateurs at the time, so instead of waiting for them to strike, the government used a broad-axe approach and just rounded them all up. What people today don’t realize, for the most part, is that there was an actual danger of losing to the Japanese. For a long time we were losing every battle, and the Japanese at the time were not exactly benevolent conquerers. So maybe that justifies a little over reaction. They were certainly treated better than they treated our prisoners.


44 posted on 06/11/2013 11:42:53 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Slyfox

The one with the wedding dress is the funniest I’ve seen.

Perhaps even funnier than the Helen Thomas one.


45 posted on 06/11/2013 11:43:11 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Jim from C-Town

lol


46 posted on 06/11/2013 11:44:36 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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47 posted on 06/11/2013 11:49:42 AM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

I am wondering if Hell has frozen over since I am on the same side as Michael Moore on this.


Me, too - not on MMs side - what side is he on? - but Megyn Kelly isn’t on my side, the co-founder of Home Depot is, but I also believe this is a CIA hit on poshitus, so I can’t be grouped correctly.


48 posted on 06/11/2013 11:50:34 AM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

So what?
He posts some really funny stuff and his cameos on Big Bang Theory are hysterical.


49 posted on 06/11/2013 11:52:03 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: nickcarraway

The internment camps will not be for anyone of any specific ethnicity, except that whites will be “over-represented”.

This crowd would like nothing more than to go full on holocaust on white Christians in this country.


50 posted on 06/11/2013 11:53:02 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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