Skip to comments.First verified lie from Ed Snowden
Posted on 06/12/2013 1:58:38 PM PDT by servo1969
NSA leaker Ed Snowden claimed to have broken both of his legs while training for Special Forces.
"In 2003, he enlisted in the US army and began a training program to join the Special Forces. Invoking the same principles that he now cites to justify his leaks, he said: "I wanted to fight in the Iraq war because I felt like I had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression"."
That is simply not true as the statement from the Special Warfare Center & School below clearly points out.
"Snowden was never a student at SWCS. He broke his legs while at Fort Benning. His intent was to enter the X-ray program but that never happened and would not have happened because he only had a GED. Hope this helps.
Office of Strategic Communications"
The 18 X-ray program is a way to go directly from the street to the Special Forces course. You first would attend basic and advanced individual training and then airborne school. Upon successful conclusion of those you head to Bragg for some prep training and the Special Forces Assessment and Selection course. If you pass all of those, then and only then do you start Special Forces training.
Mr. Snowden wasn't even eligible for this program as he didn't even graduate from High School. So the claim that he broke his legs in Special Forces training is BS and that makes him a poseur. Well actually not even a poseur, he claimed to be training to be SF, so that makes him a poseur wannabe, or a wannabe poseur. I'm not real sure how the semantics of that work out. But either way, not really a great way to build credibility. He also made this claim that never rang true when I first read it.
"He recounted how his beliefs about the war's purpose were quickly dispelled. "Most of the people training us seemed pumped up about killing Arabs, not helping anyone," he said."
Right, so the people who weren't training you for Special Forces also happened to be knuckle-dragging troglodytes who were simply looking for a chance to go smoke some A-Rabs. Well I'm not buying it Eddie. I ran into plenty of your types in the military, disaffected losers who never actually finish anything but always have a bucket-load of excuses and who were always whining about how the system sucks. They were never responsible for their own failures, it was always oppression by the man. They were just too smart for the fools running things to recognize their brilliance. Sound familiar? They were also all varying flavors of bats**t as well. Check out Ed's spymaster tradecraft.
"WASHINGTON The source had instructed his media contacts to come to Hong Kong, visit a particular out-of-the-way corner of a certain hotel, and ask loudly for directions to another part of the hotel. If all seemed well, the source would walk past holding a Rubiks Cube."
A Rubik's Cube, now there is a really good way to remain nondescript. Or this bit of counter-surveillance expertise.
"He is deeply worried about being spied on. He lines the door of his hotel room with pillows to prevent eavesdropping. He puts a large red hood over his head and laptop when entering his passwords to prevent any hidden cameras from detecting them."
A red hood? Even the writer who is taking in all of this BS and peddling it to the public is making fun of you dude. Why do I get the feeling Ed also had a ninja outfit and throwing stars?
Whether or not Ed has any information that the government was doing illegal or even improper things is a completely separate discussion. The fact that Ed is a BS-peddling wannabe poseur is now established and ought to be taken into account when judging his words and actions.
UPDATE: Jonn Lilyea at This Aint Hell is also looking at the other things about Snowden that seem to have an air of barnyard ordure about them and had a pretty good idea the PNG wasn't in the Q course earlier this week.
Maybe the PTB want this to become known, and are asking us if we are ok with what they want to do. Snowden is a patsy sent to ask us the question.
I suppose this is to soften us up, and to begin getting us used to the idea of total worldwide surveillance.
I predict nothing will happen. Same with any of these other scandals.
“I don’t know. But if he’ll lie about one thing, it is more than likely he’ll lie about others.”
Scooter Libby? Yea, they got him the same way. Problem is
pretty much everything he disclosed is true. The question is,
do and should the American people have the right to know
that their government IS data mining every aspect of their
life (public and private) for any purpose they choose?
Sounds to me he just gave an overly broad or abbreviated explanation of what this cryptic X-Ray program was.
Big Obama spy government fan are we? This is how they operate. Remember Ken Starr? Linda Tripp? They attack the messenger, again and again and again...
I bet by the end of the week we’ll know more about Snownden than we’re ever likely to know about Obama.
That the way I read it, must have been in jump school.
Note it does not say what he was doing at Fort Benning when he broke his legs. Could he have been training to try out for SF? Doubtful as he should have know he did not qualify with just a GED.
My guess is he stretched the truth and the military spokes... "person" is dancing around it by saying, or actually not saying, what Snowden was doing when his legs were broken.
[Unless you’re Bill Clinton or John Kerry, in which case a mysterious fire breaks out in the warehouse.]
They did have a fire that got a bunch of records but the military was able to reconstruct them by tracking down duplicates from every command an individual had spent time at. This had to be labor intensive but at the time a lot of veterans were accusing the VA of burning the warehouse so they could cheat people out of their benefits.
And you’re right—a lot of “Vietnam” thespians used that fire to explain why their exploits, or even a record of their enlistment, couldn’t be documented.
It's interesting that the FBI (H0lder) initiated the request.
The Statist Big Govt types sure are spending a lot of time trying to discredit Snowden
You either support Snowden....or you support Obama
“So in two weeks we know everything about Snowden - his truths and lies.......five years since obama was elected still we know nothing about obamas past or his present and
ten+ years since he has actively been involved in politics and we know nothing.”
Based on Sam Wurzelbacher in 2008 I'd guarantee you are correct.
If its a distraction, the republicans are apparently in on it.
Bull, my friends son has been working for DOD since sophomore year... he went on, but they would have kept him if he had chose not.
I had the same thought. Is the military now reduced to planting straw-man stories into the mass media in an attempt to smear Snowden?
In the meantime, they don't need to snoop through my personal communications. For Pete's sake, man, keep your eye on the ball.
LOL. NOBODY has replaced JC.
,,,and we all follow the media over the cliff. People can lie about themselves and tell the truth about where they work. We’ve all seen that. I believe this guy. I don’t have to like him or raise him to the elevation of hero to believe the rotten, stinking Obama Administration.
Can you imagine the Left on this? They’d be giving the guy the Nobel Peace Prize.
The reports I’ve read suggest that Snowden was injured early in his Army training. Perhaps in Basic Training because the reports said “discharged a matter of months after enlisting”. There just isn’t enough information to declare this “a lie” yet. Worth looking into, I agree.
He also was not make 200k. He made 122K.
I want Traitor Roberts to fess up. It could be an ongoing issue and Roberts needs to go public to get it to stop.
Sounds to me like the Fort Benning training was en route to potential further training to join the special forces, so that’s not necessarily a lie.
Also, I don’t know, but would his GED not meet the requirement that he be a high school graduate?
On the surface this seems like a trumped up claim to undermine the guy’s credibility.
Look over here! Look over here! The guy didn’t graduate from high school! He can’t grow a beard! He has bad breath. George Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction! Oh, wait. Different argument.
It is so sad to see the personal attacks on this man. I didn’t know taking an oath meant you have to keep criminal actions by the government against it’s citizens secret. Paul Revere would be crucified by some on this site.
Dunno. Who is the CIC, again?
I agree. The allegations against him may be true or false. Perhaps he may have something to say about them. If so, I hope it is better than what presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said when confronted about her claims to have come under sniper fire in Bosnia, when she said little more than that she "misspoke."
In any event, his veracity should be weighed against what he disclosed about the spying on us, not something else.
This seems to be a classic case of "Play the man, not the ball." That's OK for sporting contests, but this is rather different.
So was copper Clapper's lying a clever caper?
“began a training program to join the Special Forces”
Never said he was in SF, said he was in a training program to join SF.
Top of page 2, fourth line, item (ii)—this is what is illegal, harvesting all DOMESTIC telephony records without cause.
The judge should never have signed off on this order.
While this warrant is for 4/25/13 to 7/19/13, similar warrants have been renewed every three months since 2007.
FISA warrants were to cover communications that either originated overseas and terminated in the USA, or vice versa, but not for entirely domestic communications.
I’m glad Snowden blew the whistle.
If the IRS could hammer Obama’s political opponents over their political views, why would anyone expect that this type of surveillance would NOT be used in the same way.
Operation “Main Core” anyone?
Can you be trusted?
And Jack Webb- who knew he could do comedy?
It figures he could do it without laughing, though.
Well, PRISM, .....had we been told of that little program where they keep all of your communications. Can they look at it when you come under suspicion? They are assurring us they WILL NOT. Sure. That's good enough for me.
Words to live by...and never forget......"The human heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can know it."
Agree. Check Post 80.
“ve been telling people if you dont have a High School Diploma you are disqualified for many specialized jobs, including being an underwater BB stacker.”
I know some wetback contractors that make over 100k a year.
They are just good at what they do. Some people need an
education, some people need to get a lawyer and sue the
school/college to get their money back for a worthless
education. Some people self educate or are just plain smart.
However. “This guys is an invention. A nice shiny object for your distraction.”
Now that’s way outside looking in. On a hunch, I’ll say
your probably right.
Sounds like a lot of fast-and-loose parsing of words.
Seems Snowden was in the Army, and seems he broke his legs in a training accident at Ft Benning. Was he just training up to drop his selection packet? He may not be in the Q Course, but if was applying or talking to an SF recruiter, there’s probably a record of that. When you apply to be 18 series, there’s plenty of training you do prior to Selection. Now, SF may not take in 18 X-Rays directly from TRADOC with a GED, but I can’t imagine that they’d not take an applicant from another MOS, provided he had the right GT score and the right physical profile.
These days, the Army wants you to have a GED + 15 hours of college credit to be considered equal to a regular HS Graduate. If he was able to get in the Army at all, for any MOS, he probably met that criteria.
Do we know what Snowden’s MOS actually was? Clearly he was an 18 or 35 series if he was processed for TS (or TS/SCI). There’s little chance he qualified academically for 35 series (intelligence) and not 18 (SF).
At any rate, I don’t recall seeing anywhere that this guy claimed to be SOF, only that he broke his legs in a training accident and that put an end to his SOF career aspirations. So what? I’m sure a two minute discussion with the guy could make clear precisely what he was talking about, and either way it would have zero impact on the big picture.
Still, it’s awesome that the media still has the ability to investigate people down to the atomic level when properly motivated. If only we could harness this investigatory zeal towards vetting the background of the President of these United States, rather than microanalyzing a minor resume point of some low level flunkie who added valuable information about the encroaching surveillance state to the public discourse.
How good is our intelligence community at vetting security clearances if this lying, paranoid, delusional poseur get to handle all of this data?
The worse they make Snowden look, the worse it looks for all of those who let him get in the position to betray them.
He’s being smeared by people who know they were spied on. And not one person who smears him denies the government is doing what he said it is doing.
Still waiting for Barack Obama to be held to account for all his lies.
So what’s the Obama lie count now? About 10,000,000 million Obama lies?
What about the possibility of Overtime?
Why? If it's effective, why stop? Look, based on what we know about not only data collection, but data manipulation (whether in cloud data or pushed onto user controlled devices like PCs, cell phones, etc) how do we know whether Snowden actually:
1. Claimed he broke his legs ie whether that story was falsely created to then subsequently refute; or
2. He break his legs, but records have been altered to imply he didn't?
As the saying goes, all is fair in love & war. Make no mistake, the federal gov't is at war with people who subscribe to the principles enumerated in the Constitution.
There is an all out effort to discredit him, just as he predicted. The only thing we need to keep in mind is: have Constitutional principle been violated by this government?
Yeah, well, are you betting they're not?
Wow, this is really impressive, turn these folks loose on Barack Obama. /s
They’re simply trying to discredit him. Here’s the problem...They hired him!!
Spook hunters always troll the military. Snowden's record there doesn't mean much. Remember, the government is going to be on a full-court press to disavow and denigrate this guy.
He only had a GED? Big deal. He still got a top security clearance. He didn't need no stinkin' diploma.
So I guess that puts him in the same league as “war hero” Kerry and “baseball hero” Biden and “constitutional law professor and native born citizen” Obama.
Yes. Most of the guys I served with who entered with a GED were given time to get a High School diploma (I was Airborne Infantry). They had classes you could take on post. Also, his GT score must have been high enough to get into the Xray program. From the article:
"In 2003, Snowden enlisted in the U.S. Army, he told The Guardian, and BEGAN a training program to join the Special Forces.
But his time in the military did not last. According to Snowden, he was discharged after he broke both legs in a training accident. The Army confirmed Snowden's enlistment to The Guardian on Monday, but did not provide details about his service record.
His records indicate he enlisted in the army reserve as a special forces recruit (18X) on 7 May 2004 but was discharged 28 September 2004, an army spokesperson told The Guardian in an email. He did not complete any training or receive any awards."
So he began a training program to enter Special Forces. Not really a lie, he just didn't make it very far, as most do not.
I can’t get that stupid Alec Baldwin commercial out of my head - ‘what’s in your wallet’ -
someone should make a meme of:
HEY AMERICAN CITIZEN, WHAT’S IN YOUR CLOSET??
Everybody on this planet has at the very least, ONE secret they never want anyone to know. The idea of ALL your most personal info being collected DOES unnerve the average person.
Haven’t seen you around in a awhile. Nice to see you.