Skip to comments.We've Been Played on Immigration
Posted on 06/13/2013 11:18:48 AM PDT by servo1969
RUSH: We go to immigration. In a remarkable turn of events, all eight Gang of Eight members voted to table the Grassley amendment, to have control of the border for six months before the amnesty kicks in. And, by the way, don't call it amnesty. It isn't amnesty. That's the latest claim from the powers that be. The Grassley amendment to the Gang of Eight bill simply said we would gain control of the border for six months before any other aspect of the bill -- which is exactly what we were told was supported from the get-go. That's exactly what we were told the condition was: Border security first, or nothing. Now of course that's out the window. So is the Grassley amendment out the window with control of the border for six months.
And again, this despite the sponsors having -- I don't know. I thought I was promised. I thought we were all promised that enforcement would be the key here. I also thought there would be an open amendment process. There's polling data that shows the American people want enforcement first by a 4-to-1 margin. But none of this makes any sense. Try as I have, I can't understand how it makes any sense. I don't understand how the Republicans do not understand what they're doing to themselves with this. I do not understand how it is they do not see what's happening. I don't understand how they don't get what the Democrats are doing, how the Democrats are playing them. I don't get it.
We've talked about this. The Hispanic vote was not even 8% of the electorate. There was a poll out -- I mentioned this to you some weeks ago -- if Romney had got 70% of the Hispanic vote -- and no Republican ever has the -- he still would not have won. The Republicans got 37% of the Hispanic vote back in 1984. Then in 1986, they did amnesty. Then they got 30%. They lost 7% of the Hispanic vote after amnesty in 1988 election when George H. W. Bush ran. The polling data is clear: 70% of the Hispanic voters are gonna vote Democrat no matter what. You bring 11 to 12 million new people out of the shadows, and they're -- I don't know what I'm missing. On the surface, what it appears is -- and I can't believe this. It appears that the Republicans really do fear what the Democrats tell them, that the Hispanics hate you, the Hispanics don't like you, the Hispanics are never gonna vote for you unless you change your opinion on immigration.
I try to put myself in the position of being a Republican in the House or the Senate. I can't for the life of me understand it. I don't understand how they don't see what this is going to do to their party. For the life of me, I don't understand it. Nobody has been able to make me understand what I'm missing. What is the secret that we don't get? What's the secret that we're missing, that they know, that we don't know? Because, on the surface, this doesn't appear to make any sense.
You would think black leaders would be against this since unemployment is so high for them. But I guess they just want power, not take care of the people.
EXACTLY! The democrats have done it time and time again and I remember how they did exactly what you said to George HW Bush. It was a major issue during the Bush vs Clinton campaign and Bush lost.
If Todd Akin himself had voted for non-restricted abortions it would become a MAJOR issue during the next election he faced.
The dems LOVE to run ads to split the opposition.
First and foremost politicians are interested in protecting their careers. McCain, Rubio, border states, they believe that the inevitable result will be some sort of legalization for a majority of the illegals.
Given that scenario, they probably think that it is best to try to get out in front and try to manage it somehow .
Trying to take a principled stand against an inevitable result is heroic. But heroes don't last long in politics (Palin, West, Bachman, etc.).
Have heard of some cracks but doubt the cracks will widen.
Amnesty for Illegals should come with unconditional TAX Amnesty for everyone in perpetuity.....
Otherwise, NO MAS!
98% of those who will be legalized are Mexican.
Rubio is Cuban. Those things dont necessarily equate.
Cruz is an american that just happens to have Cubian ancestry.
As the Emperor said: "Only now, at the END, do you understand!"
FOOLS! Stop whining about being "duped". FIGHT!!!!!!
Most believe what they hear on CNN. After all, the government COULDN’T be that bad, could it? That’s for the tin foil hat crowd and the conspiracy theorists.
Most young people really don’t believe the bad thing will happen to THEM - someone else, maybe, but not THEM.
Well Rush call up your good true conservative friend Rubio and tell him you are unhappy with his scam.
I thought that Rubio would turn out to be a fraud. Kept my thoughts to myself, but in that interview on Rush’s show, I didn’t like some of what I heard, and more importantly, the tone Rubio used in his explanation. My wife, who is unusually prescient about these things, said she heard deceit in Rubio’s voice in that interview.
She was right.
Someone tell me again why it’s so important for the Republicans to retain control of the House in 2014 and re-take the Senate.
Oh—By the way—Has Rush unglued his lips from Rubio’s backside yet?
” Well Rush call up your good true conservative friend Rubio and tell him you are unhappy with his scam.”
LOL...and Rush could have stopped those Rubio ads on his show
but some low IQ joker here tried to convince me he couldn’t : )
It makes perfect sense if the people we have elected are not the true people in power.
Someone else is pulling the string of power in the world.
All I can figure is:
3) sleeper Democrats
4) idiots just wanting to be loved
I suspect the average Congresscritter/senator has some combination of a multiple of these factors in play.
No, if he had those ads pulled then he would make less $$$ and he cant turn down that $$$, it would hurt too much.
Some ‘low IQ joker’ tried to argue that Rush is ‘principled’ (ie conservative). I replied that to Rush a buck in his hand is 'a principle', that is his primary principle and he has lots and wants lots more 'principles' .
just like those Chamb of Comm whores who cut the amnesty deal with the unions.
” No, if he had those ads pulled then he would make less $$$ and he cant turn down that $$$, it would hurt too much.”
Yeah...Rush would go from 52 million a year to 51,600,000 : )
” just like those Chamb of Comm whores who cut the amnesty deal with the unions. “
I know they bought Flake, and McCain. Probably Ryan, and several others.
Is Limbaugh really that stupid? If the Dems had allowed the Grassley amendment to pass it would have been to get votes they needed from the GOP (so they, no doubt, don't need any more votes), and then if the law had passed with that amendment Nappy would have simply ignored it.
Too late. No more chances for the snake Rubio.
But his work is already done. Short of a massive national intervention, this country will be committing suicide via amnesty later this year.
” Is Limbaugh really that stupid? “
Or indifferent, yes.
” Short of a massive national intervention, this country will be committing suicide via amnesty later this year.”
And it IS suicide!
Exactly right, Jim - most of us here saw through this from the start.
Don’t forget to follow the money, as it may apply to Rush. There are a lot of Big $$ supporters of cheap immigrant labor which will transfer trillions of (wage) dollars from the poorest to the wealthiest with the additional demolition of the rebellious middle class. That is a 2 fer for the elites, unlimited $$’s and power.
” Dont forget to follow the money, as it may apply to Rush. There are a lot of Big $$ supporters of cheap immigrant labor which will transfer trillions of (wage) dollars from the poorest to the wealthiest with the additional demolition of the rebellious middle class. That is a 2 fer for the elites, unlimited $$s and power.”
The banks will also reap trillions loaning money to these slobs at 20-29% interest.
Yes we did.
The illegals will also soak up the banks 5-10 million unit inventory of vacant housing using liar loans as they did before 2008.
I remembering listening to the Rush show when he had Rubio on. He challenged Rubio quite well. After Rubio was off the show, Rush commented that Rubio had no answers for the questions and issues that he raised.
Rush did his job quite well.
” The illegals will also soak up the banks 5-10 million unit inventory of vacant housing using liar loans as they did before 2008.”
The NAR has already written about this, while licking their lips.
My father emigrated from Ireland in 1948. He became a US citizen in the early 1950’s with 7 of his siblings and loved this country. My mother can trace her family back to before the 1750’s in the same county in West Virginia and I have seen my great great grandfather’s gravesite a few miles from where she grew up.
I was born in NY and grew up in Canada where my Dad was transferred when I was 5. I moved back in 1991 with my Canadian wife and kids. This gives me an interesting perspective on immigration.
This is what I would like to see done with illegal immigration:
1. Secure the borders so that anybody entering the country is here under legal measures.
2. Prosecute employers who hire illegals. Make all employees prove citizenship within a 3 month period.
3. Make illegals repay the federal, state and local governments for use of the system — IMMEDIATELY.
4. Allow families with kids born in the US to pay fines (make them significant like $15k to $20k) to move up in lines but still apply outside the country.
5. Set a hard deadline date about a year in advance that all illegals not covered under provisions above to be jailed first before being deported.
6. Set clear rules for new immigrants to apply for entry especially as students and make sure that penalties are strict for breaking rules.
Illegal immigrants are illegal. That means they have broken the law and should be penalized for breaking the law. No exceptions or softening the approach.
I don’t get #4 and the common stmpathy for the American children of illegals (let alone the illlegal children of illegals).
It is standard for American children to have to go live abroad if that’s what their parents do. And all kinds of non-American children of diplomats, foreign busines executives, etc., grow up in the US, are even here legally—but don’t get US citizenship out of it. (And the same for American kids raised abroad.)
“So has Hannity. But HAVE they really so blind a spot?”
Not likely. But at the end of the day they are only talk show hosts with a product to sell. Popular RINOS like Rubio boost ratings. Now that conservatives’ distrust of Rubio and his fellow RINOS has been vindicated and the sh#t is hitting the fan, it’s time to feign surprise.
Apparently it works time a charm with both Hannity and O'Reilly whose derriere has straddled so many fences he must require the services proctolgist on stand-by in the studio. But the ratings remain high -- that's their bottom line.
1) blackmail...4) idiots just wanting to be loved
And 5): "It'd be a shame if anything ever happened to...."
Rush and the GOP play by Marquess of Queensberryy rules while the DNC is using Guerrilla Warfare tactics and IED’s.
I recall when RUSH said just fater the 2012 election, that He didn’t even want to consider election fraud in Mitts loss.
Well Rush you damned well better be willing to go there.
it's amnesty Jim!"
Amnesty means, in the future, more leftist voters, more votes on the senate to confirm rogue SCOTUS justices, more Obamas and Hillarys as POTUS, bigger IRS, more Holders, more attacks on cheap energy, more handouts to the 3rd world, more borrowing from China, and more amnesties to come. Bottom line, a one party leftist system.
As they said about the PRI in Mexico, partido-gobierno (party and government are the same thing).
And Boehner seems to be twisting arms to make sure it happens,
Have you seen Boehner’s new son-in-law? That would provide a partial explanation for his anti-American position.
It's not clear to me whether Boehner has changed lately, or he was just waiting for his chance to cash in.
Well hell....quite a few Freeper’s thought the same.
“You allow RINO FRAUD Marco McCain to come on your show and lie thru his teeth.”
Rush does NOT “allow” people to come on to his show. I don’t believe he has had more than 5 guests in his 25 years on the air. This makes me believe you have never or at best, rarely heard his show.
Be gone Troll.
That said, I am sick & tired of the McCain variety of RINO and hope they go away 4ever!
I think the demographic would be different. Only half or two thirds of the illegals are Mexican.
What about all the illegals from central America, Haiti and the Dominican Republic? Are these people natural conservatives? There is probably up to 1 or 2% from Islamic countries.
Nice try thread police. Troll? check the tape nimrod, been posting here since 98!
I’ve listened to Rush for years. Fun stuff during the Clinton Impeachment. His parodies were a hoot.
However I gave up on his “I have Hillary’s thesis” bull ship that he played for weeks that suddenly was never talked about. Then there was his brillant” operation Chaos”. Remember that? Support the unelectable commie newbie from Chicago to keep Hillary from winning the nomination.
Face it, he’s an entertainer. If he was politically astute he would have tagged Marco McCain for the RINO he is based on his actions long ago as did a lot of us.
Flea be gone!
My daughter was just hit head on in her car by a drunk illegal from Honduras. She has two broken femurs, a broken foot, ankle and hand. Illegal was uninsured. She will be in the hospital and rehab for a month.
I wrote my Democrat senators. They couldn’t care less.
A distinction without a (political) difference?