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TWA Flight 800 investigators break silence in new documentary, claim original conclusion about cause
Fox ^ | 6/18/13

Posted on 06/18/2013 5:51:17 PM PDT by workerbee

A group of whistleblowers, including a number of aviation experts, have come forward in a new documentary to claim that the official explanation for the crash of TWA Flight 800 was wrong and a gas tank explosion did not bring down the flight off the coast of Long Island 17 years ago.

However, the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team, stopped short of saying the plane was shot down.

Flight 800, a Boeing 747, had just taken off from JFK airport with 230 people aboard on July 17, 1996 enroute to Paris when it exploded and crashed off the coast of nearby East Moriches, Long Island, killing everyone on the plane.

“..This team of investigators who actually handled the wreckage and victims’ bodies, prove that the officially proposed fuel-air explosion did not cause the crash,” reads a statement by the producers of the film, which will debut on cable network EPIX next month. “They also provide radar and forensic evidence proving that one or more ordinance explosions outside the aircraft caused the crash.” However, the statement said they did not speculate about the source or sources of any ordinance explosions.

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To: Swordmaker
Yup, you were, as I recall, the primary one giving us excellent engineering input. There was a physicists, also, who I believe was one of the ones who left FR in the Darwin fracases. His explanation of the impossibility for 747 to climb without the nose section, open to the front convinced me that the government was lying and would lie to cover for Clinton's exposed flank should the truth surface right before his re-election cycle.

Now, if we can get admissions regarding Oklahoma City, and the terrorist attack on the Murrah Bldg ...

151 posted on 06/18/2013 10:08:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
Yup... Here's the link to my time line: Swordmaker's TWA 800 Timeline

And this one is to the physics of the ZOOM CLIMB impossibility thread: Zoom Climb Thread

152 posted on 06/18/2013 10:14:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: ladyjane
its not us "letting" our country slip away.....there are tremendous unstoppable forces that all civilizations go thru to the end.....an exponentially apathetic populace, fat with over abundance, too lazy to fight or stand up to anything, rationalizing everything just to get along, and on top of that, allowing non citizens to invade the country...

most of us have studied hard, worked hard, did all the "right" things, like our parents and grandparents before us...the forces of success are just against us...

153 posted on 06/18/2013 10:19:08 PM PDT by cherry
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To: dragnet2
>" I personally do not believe a single word from anyone affiliated with any government agency."

Generally a safe bet. It's when they tell the truth that gives me the willies!

154 posted on 06/18/2013 10:49:41 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: LyinLibs
>"this month is “Throw everything at the wall to distract from Benghazi” month,"

Dear Leader doesn't want to do the time for negligent mohamicide.

155 posted on 06/18/2013 11:06:37 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Bryan24
With the Olympics starting up in mere weeks and the 1996 Election coming up in 4 months, there was no way they could admit that terrorists shot it down.

Don't forget they were busy pumping the "domestic terrorist" meme, to the exclusion of Muslims, (sound familiar?).

Much of current policy is an extrapolation/extension of Clinton policy, and aside from the 'hope and change shuffle', the song and dance is the same.

156 posted on 06/19/2013 12:55:20 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: workerbee

I believe Al Gore oversaw the investigation and report.


157 posted on 06/19/2013 1:15:09 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: workerbee

Did any terrorist group claim responsibility?


158 posted on 06/19/2013 2:10:27 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: stockpirate

IIRC, the debris field also indicated a missile.


159 posted on 06/19/2013 2:17:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: workerbee

Bump for the morning crowd. Interesting thread. Interesting timing.


160 posted on 06/19/2013 2:52:43 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation is costly.)
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To: OwenKellogg

Don’t tell me this is just another diversionary tactic from the WH?

Go yell squirrel, fire in the theater, gold in the hills and etc.

obama is up to something else, something really big this time.

Of course this goes both ways, revelations will appear about Obama as well, for many years.


161 posted on 06/19/2013 3:02:34 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors. Asymmetrical Warfare.)
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To: Spartan302

Diversionary tactic? Could be.

Who is this group of whistleblowers? Where have they been for the last 17 years? Why now?

Common thread to today’s scandals: a lame video.

Lots of questions.


162 posted on 06/19/2013 3:31:18 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation is costly.)
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To: workerbee

IF you believe ANYTHING that comes out of the FBI then you be a fool.


163 posted on 06/19/2013 3:32:52 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: FreedomPoster
IIRC, the debris field also indicated a missile.

In what way?

164 posted on 06/19/2013 3:41:25 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

Off-axis debris.


165 posted on 06/19/2013 3:50:59 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Your going to have to be more specific. I’m not conversant in all the technical jargon.


166 posted on 06/19/2013 3:53:01 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Yo-Yo
We have recently seen the response to the possibility that batteries on the Boeing 787 could catch fire. We are supposed to accept that explosion of Flight 800's center tank, resulting in loss of the ship and all aboard, was a fairly minor incident, never required 100% grounding of 747's, and only relatively minor (dare I say "token"?) modifications to prevent future incidents.
167 posted on 06/19/2013 3:55:11 AM PDT by motor_racer (Pete, do you ever get tired, of the driving?)
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To: Liberty Valance

That FBI guy, Jim ?, had to RETIRE IMMEDIATELY after he said it WASN”T a missile.....he KNOWS it was a missile, but he LIED!!


168 posted on 06/19/2013 4:06:05 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cementjungle

OMG!! How STUPID!! However, it was NOT TWA’s fault...it was a MISSILE!!


169 posted on 06/19/2013 4:09:06 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: workerbee

http://press.epixhd.com/programming/twa-flight-800/


170 posted on 06/19/2013 4:20:37 AM PDT by greenhornet68
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To: 0.E.O

The aircraft is flying in direction X, the axis. Most debris is found in a path along direction X. Some debris is found along direction Y, say at X + 60 degrees, as if a missile had struck to create the off-axis debris.

With a quick look I can’t find any backup, but remember seeing this along with a chart back at the time.


171 posted on 06/19/2013 4:27:40 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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172 posted on 06/19/2013 4:39:13 AM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: FreedomPoster
The aircraft is flying in direction X, the axis. Most debris is found in a path along direction X. Some debris is found along direction Y, say at X + 60 degrees, as if a missile had struck to create the off-axis debris.

OK this is all new to me and very interesting so please forgive the questions. So if an airplane is hit at point X then I assume that would be where the off-axis debris is generated? But the plane broke up at point Y and hit the water at point Z, both of which could be miles away from the point of impact considering the speed the plane is traveling at. So wouldn't that make if difficult if not impossible to locate the off-axis debris?

173 posted on 06/19/2013 4:39:47 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: workerbee
Look anyone who watched the coverage of this as it happened knows it was hit by a missile. I have never had any doubt.

The story about the suddenly exploding gas tank was totally unbelievable. It was presents as just something that sometimes happens. Glad the truth is finally resurfacing.

174 posted on 06/19/2013 5:10:33 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: workerbee; _Jim

Ohhhh Jimmy.

Jimmy, you still around calling people seeking the truth ‘conspiracy theorists?’


175 posted on 06/19/2013 5:10:39 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: workerbee

Just saw a report on this on ABC this morning.

It sure does vindicate Jack Cashill and indict a whole lot of FBI/FAA/*** agents involved in the cover up.

And of course the media acting like this is the first they heard about the shenanigans in the investigation.


176 posted on 06/19/2013 5:16:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: driftdiver

Not to nitpick but the crash in Far Rockaway in Nov 2001 had just taken off from JFK.


177 posted on 06/19/2013 5:44:03 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Yep, thanks. You’re the fourth person to tell me that.


178 posted on 06/19/2013 6:13:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

lol...I realized that after I looked at the responses. Sorry.


179 posted on 06/19/2013 6:20:56 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: bmwcyle; Yo-Yo

It was obviously an anti-muslim video that caused the crash...........or some rogue IRS agents in Cincinnati........or a disgruntled NSA employee..........


180 posted on 06/19/2013 6:32:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Little Ray
...somebody would have claimed credit.

They did.................

181 posted on 06/19/2013 6:33:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: driftdiver
Same with the plane that went down in NY shortly after 9/11.

That plane, IIRC, had a stripped gear mechanism that jammed the rudder full one side.............

182 posted on 06/19/2013 6:41:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Black Agnes

Yeah, it was a typical Clinton and/or democrat/communist/socialist/progressive cover-up.They think we don’t get it... How he is still walking around and is not in jail (along with his “wife”) I will never really fathom. The treason is clear...


183 posted on 06/19/2013 6:53:09 AM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: LaRueLaDue

Well, the ‘01 plane that crashed due to loss of its tail section from ‘wake turbulence’ happened during Bush’s first term.


184 posted on 06/19/2013 7:07:57 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Thank you for your response. I already know. I was just letting someone else have the opportunity to provide the proof. It was rocket propellant.


185 posted on 06/19/2013 7:19:40 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: DHerion
So hundreds of crewmen who were part of the exercise never talked?

First, only a few knew it happened. Unless you are assuming that all the ships crew on each ship were all standing on the topdeck with binoculars just 'watching the show'. I assure you, that is not the case.

Second, this movie, this article are proof that after YEARS OF KEEPING SILENT, some people are now TALKING.

So it isn't ridiculous, is it ?

186 posted on 06/19/2013 7:25:19 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: cherry
I read or heard that right after the twa explosion that the Toon signed an executive order prohibiting whistle blower protection for Navy Seals...who were the ones searching for debris in the ocean....

I remember that as well.

187 posted on 06/19/2013 7:26:46 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

I followed that whole case closely. I was local at the time and it was news every day for a while. My hubby and I both had college level physics and passed it. The official explanation was laughable.


188 posted on 06/19/2013 7:26:56 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Swordmaker
The bolide hypothesis, is, ahem, shot down.

Which is why I said the 'likeliest'. It was the simplest, and didn't even require human error. It appeared to fit some of the facts. But not all of the facts.

That is what is so great about F.R. One person can't know 'everything' but thousands of people can. You provided information which would seem to exclude the bolide theory. So... the discussion continues and we all know more today than we did yesterday. Everyone wins.

189 posted on 06/19/2013 7:34:48 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Rocky

Where was Louis Freeh in all that. He’s been the bagman in these investigations for 20 years. Including, lately, the Sandusky investigation.


190 posted on 06/19/2013 7:39:13 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: UCANSEE2
Why? They made the extra effort to deal with Flight 800 because of the 'it's a missile' crowd!

Although it's rare for a meteor to hit a plane, they've been known to hit houses and cars. We had one hit a dentist's office nearby a couple of years back. The belief this doesn't happen, that we don't have rocks falling from the sky, is still around in some quarters. But I have a clue for those quarters, the Earth is round, it's in space, things traveling parallel to the ground are coming up on your left, right, front and back ~ and sometimes they drop out of orbit.

191 posted on 06/19/2013 7:43:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Black Agnes
I followed that whole case closely.

I bet that those posting on this thread, did as well. Some of them were posting on FR on the TWA800 threads back then. As is the case with the 'emotional' subjects like 'government conspiracy' and 'religion', it was like a civil war between opposing factions. It was almost the same as the recent CHINESE MISSILE or JET AIRLINER (carefully edited and designed) video that was paraded in front of the public because of the 'government conspiracy' that was taking place at the time. There were two sides and they both 'knew' they were right, and were ready to kill (figuratively) anyone who disagreed.

My hubby and I both had college level physics and passed it.

Excellent. My estimation is that at least half the posters on F.R. have had college level physics. When 'we' put our heads together, we are an awesome force.

The official explanation was laughable.

The official explanation was a crime.

192 posted on 06/19/2013 7:52:56 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: RayChuang88
I'm still not buying those conspiracy theories about terrorists involved in the destruction of TWA Flight 800 for these reasons: 1. Do we have explosives chemical residue from any of the wreckage consistent with a bomb going off? Both C4 and Semtex plastique explosives leave behind a distinctive chemical residue after the explosion.

Yes, both c4 and semtex residue were found in the fuselage. It is documented in the final NTSB report. They conclude they were brought aboard by bomb sniffing dogs prior to the flight. This has been debunked. This new documentary should cover this hopefully.

193 posted on 06/19/2013 7:55:56 AM PDT by CodeJockey
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To: w1andsodidwe; workerbee

My father worked at TWA. In the main repair/maintenance facility. Everyone at TWA knew it was a lie. Where is TWA and all it’s employee’s now?


194 posted on 06/19/2013 7:57:21 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: FreedomPoster
IIRC, the debris field also indicated a missile.

The missile also indicated it was a missile, but those who recovered it cannot speak a word of it.

195 posted on 06/19/2013 8:01:27 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

Placemarker ... those holding that secret are more honorable than the ones it covers for. We may yet have an eyewitness to the missile recovery who will speak out, because that is in the end the more honorable thing to do as a member of We The People.


196 posted on 06/19/2013 8:07:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: rickmichaels
July 17, 1996 - The very same day John Joubert was executed in Nebraska. Not related of course. I just remember the date.

I remember this day pretty clearly. I was coming home from a 2 week excursion to Italy with some high school classmates. I was flying TWA from Rome to JFK and then JFK to Washington National. My flight took off from JFK right before 800 and landed in DC without incident. But our parents were freaking out at the airport when we arrived, thinking that our plane was the one that blew up. I thought my parents just really missed me.

197 posted on 06/19/2013 8:15:40 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: muawiyah
They made the extra effort to deal with Flight 800 because of the 'it's a missile' crowd!

You mean the hundreds of eye witnesses, or the crowd on FR, or the engineers and mechanics at TWA, or the people who took video and had their entire CAMERA taken ?

Although it's rare for a meteor to hit a plane,

Actually, it's impossible. Now.. bolides and meteorites could strike a plane. Meteorites (albeit very small ones) strike planes all the time.

The belief this doesn't happen, that we don't have rocks falling from the sky, is still around in some quarters.

Had a 40 year old female 'friend'. She told me that meteorites (aka Shooting Stars) were STARS that fell from the sky, and that's why we can't see as many STARS in the SKY as we used to.

But I have a clue for those quarters, the Earth is round

It only look round from far away. An optical illusion. It isn't round, it's shape changes with the procession of the moon, and up close it's just undescribable, especially where it gets hit by rocks falling out of the sky.

NOW... back to your theory. The bolide would have to have a certain mass for it to work. Too small, it wouldn't have caused the plane to crash. Too big, it would have vaporized the plane. It would have to be like Goldilocks and the Three Bears "just the right size".

Next, there would have been multiple 'explosions' in the form of what sounded like semi-auto cannons going off. Do you remember the recent METEORITE coming down over RUSSIA? I listened to one of the best 'soundtracks' of the meteorite. The 'bangs' going off before the final BOOM were like the gunfire in a RAMBO movie. In the TWA800 case, I don't remember any reports of multiple shockwave type noises, or of large 'variations' in the brightness of the object(missile).

198 posted on 06/19/2013 8:26:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: muawiyah
They made the extra effort to deal with Flight 800 because of the 'it's a missile' crowd!

You mean the hundreds of eye witnesses, or the crowd on FR, or the engineers and mechanics at TWA, or the people who took video and had their entire CAMERA taken ?

Although it's rare for a meteor to hit a plane,

Actually, it's impossible. Now.. bolides and meteorites could strike a plane. Meteorites (albeit very small ones) strike planes all the time.

The belief this doesn't happen, that we don't have rocks falling from the sky, is still around in some quarters.

Had a 40 year old female 'friend'. She told me that meteorites (aka Shooting Stars) were STARS that fell from the sky, and that's why we can't see as many STARS in the SKY as we used to.

But I have a clue for those quarters, the Earth is round

It only look round from far away. An optical illusion. It isn't round, it's shape changes with the procession of the moon, and up close it's just undescribable, especially where it gets hit by rocks falling out of the sky.

NOW... back to your theory. The bolide would have to have a certain mass for it to work. Too small, it wouldn't have caused the plane to crash. Too big, it would have vaporized the plane. It would have to be like Goldilocks and the Three Bears "just the right size".

Next, there would have been multiple 'explosions' in the form of what sounded like semi-auto cannons going off. Do you remember the recent METEORITE coming down over RUSSIA? I listened to one of the best 'soundtracks' of the meteorite. The 'bangs' going off before the final BOOM were like the gunfire in a RAMBO movie. In the TWA800 case, I don't remember any reports of multiple shockwave type noises, or of large 'variations' in the brightness of the object(missile).

199 posted on 06/19/2013 8:26:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: MHGinTN

Quite correct. It’s not those who are sworn to secrecy (and they may know the real reason, whereas we do not) and are loyal to their oath, it’s those who ordered them sworn to secrecy and provided the ‘coverup’.


200 posted on 06/19/2013 9:04:40 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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