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TWA Flight 800 investigators break silence in new documentary, claim original conclusion about cause
Fox ^ | 6/18/13

Posted on 06/18/2013 5:51:17 PM PDT by workerbee

A group of whistleblowers, including a number of aviation experts, have come forward in a new documentary to claim that the official explanation for the crash of TWA Flight 800 was wrong and a gas tank explosion did not bring down the flight off the coast of Long Island 17 years ago.

However, the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team, stopped short of saying the plane was shot down.

Flight 800, a Boeing 747, had just taken off from JFK airport with 230 people aboard on July 17, 1996 enroute to Paris when it exploded and crashed off the coast of nearby East Moriches, Long Island, killing everyone on the plane.

“..This team of investigators who actually handled the wreckage and victims’ bodies, prove that the officially proposed fuel-air explosion did not cause the crash,” reads a statement by the producers of the film, which will debut on cable network EPIX next month. “They also provide radar and forensic evidence proving that one or more ordinance explosions outside the aircraft caused the crash.” However, the statement said they did not speculate about the source or sources of any ordinance explosions.

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To: UCANSEE2
[It only look round from far away. An optical illusion. It isn't round, it's shape changes with the procession of the moon, and up close it's just undescribable,]


201 posted on 06/19/2013 9:09:00 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: All; UCANSEE2; Alamo-Girl

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NEVER FORGET

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‘Seeking New Light on TWA Flight 800’ - Posted July 8, 2002

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/713456/posts

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NEVER FORGET


202 posted on 06/19/2013 9:14:16 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; concerned about politics; Alamo-Girl

NEVER FORGET

..”That Night” =

...TWA Flight 800 went down...

...just as HILLARY’s White House Chief of Staff CRAIG LIVINGSTONE was to give National TV Senate Testimony about her hiring him for the FBI Files he would be getting her on Repulicans in Congress...

...or, just as bad, Plead the 5th instead to protect HILLARY.

...TWA Fight 800 went down =

...LIVINGSTONE’s TV Senate Testimony cancelled.

HILLARY Lifetime M.O. =

..-It’s the TV, Stupid,

...no matter WHO pays for it-

NEVER FORGET

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(Originally Posted - July 8, 2002)


203 posted on 06/19/2013 9:21:01 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: UCANSEE2

Everyone of a ship would have known if missiles were fired that night. You don’t have to be on deck to know that. A typical destroyer has a crew of 300+. If there were a flotilla of ships involved in the exercise we’re talking close to a thousand. Word would have spread through out the ships what had happened. Since we the movie has not been released we have no way of knowing who these people are that are talking. We’re they key players? And what exactly they said.


204 posted on 06/19/2013 9:27:58 AM PDT by DHerion
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Jeepers... Thanks for the ping!


205 posted on 06/19/2013 9:53:38 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Asmodeus

What say you now Mr. “Expert” interviewer who claimed to be an investigator fo 50+ years etc?


206 posted on 06/19/2013 9:58:15 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: All; Alamo-Girl

Col. DONALDSON (r.i.p.) always said that TWA Flight 800 was a missile take down ...while we now know that CLARKE was busy obstructing justice in this case..!!!

ALOHA RONNIE has always asked:

..”WHY did TWA Flight 800 just have to go down the very night before CRAIG LIVINGSTONE was to testify on National TV, under oath before the U.S. Senate, that it was HILLARY who hired him as White House Security Chief to get FBI Files on Congressional Republicans...

...or protect her instead by pleading the 5th..?

..”Before this Jetliner Crash CBS Hourly Radio News had been telling America all day long that all eyes of the Nation were going to be focused on their TV Screens at 9:00 AM Washington, D.C. Time the next morning to see just what CRAIG LIVINGSTONE had to say.

..”Instead the next day Congress shut everything down out of respect for the lives lost in this Jetliner Crash ...with flaming wreckage floating on the surface of the Atlantic replacing CRAIG LIVINGSTONE on our TV Screens.

The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.

NEVER FORGET

(Posted April 5, 2004)


207 posted on 06/19/2013 10:42:08 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Red Badger

Hillary did it.


208 posted on 06/19/2013 10:52:48 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: dinodino

Okay. I did not know that. What group was it and was it actually feasible?


209 posted on 06/19/2013 11:07:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

No shiite. Wow.


210 posted on 06/19/2013 11:15:08 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: All; workerbee; Alamo-Girl; reformjoy

..just sharing the exact timing of things, as witnessed and shared on Freerepublic.com as they occurred..


211 posted on 06/19/2013 11:30:35 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Little Ray

Off the top of my head, an Iranian-backed group was awarded a prize for their service in the TWA 800 disaster. You could Google and try to find the name of the group.


212 posted on 06/19/2013 12:29:52 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Red Badger

And the TWA fuel tank blew up........


213 posted on 06/19/2013 1:05:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DHerion

Sailors on an aircraft carrier know when the jets takeoff from the deck. BUT, they don’t know where the Jets are going.

The target was not withing VISIBLE range. The crews on the ships would not know WHAT the missiles hit. Those who would know, were sworn to secrecy before this even happened. You can be sure that the top execs were on the hotline to the White House asking what to do the instant they knew what happened.

The ships in this ‘exercise’ were firing various missiles for several days. Who among the ‘crew’ would even notice another one being fired and make the association to the airliner crash ? They wouldn’t even know about the crash until much, much later as communications to the ‘outside world’ during these ‘exercises’ is very limited and mostly prohibited under the strictest of penalties.


214 posted on 06/19/2013 3:27:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: workerbee

I contend it was an accident and they covered up the fact some idiot fired the missle in a test or something.


215 posted on 06/19/2013 3:32:34 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Republican Party is dead. Let's not pretend otherwise.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping. I still don’t believe it was an ‘ordered hit’ by the Clintons to cover up the Livingstone Testimony.

I do think that they took advantage of it as an EXCUSE to stop the testimony.

If it was terrorists firing a shoulder launched missile, it would have been tracked on the various telemetry on Hundreds of Ships involved in the exercise. It would be difficult to convince the Navies of multiple nations to keep that under their hat. But keeping quiet about ONE OF THEIR OWN MISSILES locking onto the wrong target and destroying a civilian Jetliner would be in their own best interests.

Unless something gets revealed soon, with the airing of this movie, such as someone ‘in the know’ telling the truth, None of us knows for sure.


216 posted on 06/19/2013 3:38:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Alamo-Girl
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Is this "the" Alamo-Girl from Free Republic who worked so hard during the Clinton Impeachment days ?


Damn !


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217 posted on 06/19/2013 4:31:30 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: UCANSEE2

The crewmen firing the missile would have known what they hit. You don’t fire a missile and not monitor where it goes. That’s the whole point of a missile exercise. No I can not be sure ‘top execs’ were on the hotline with the white house. The missile crews would have alerted the Captain, who would have alerted his immediate superior, who would have alerted his immediate superior, etc., probably until it reached the Sec of Defense and the Joint Chiefs...then the White House would be notified. Way too many people...and not one person makes an anonymous leak to the press. I don’t think so.


218 posted on 06/19/2013 4:49:52 PM PDT by DHerion
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To: Black Agnes

So the guvmnt says... I remember quite a few articles from back then that sort-of, half-way doubted “wake turbulence” from a plane that took-off or landed more than 5 minutes before.

And don’t forget that Bush never got rid of the Clinton-era bureaucrats and appointees, who did the investigation/report...


219 posted on 06/19/2013 4:50:29 PM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: DHerion

Then how did we get a Muslim for a President ?

Where are Obama’s real birth certificate (if he really had one) and his college grades ?

The NSA is spying on everyone, but no one in the US seemed to know about it. Even though the information is publicly available. Secrets are not as hard to keep as you think, especially when the MSM controls ‘what’ gets spread on air, and what doesn’t.

Like who really fired missiles at the ‘terrorists’ in that car.


220 posted on 06/19/2013 5:41:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Rocky
I believe Al Gore oversaw the investigation and report.

Thinking about the things algore has done and gotten away with, made be me realize it's no wonder Hillary responded the way she did: "What difference, at this point, does it make?!?"

That's the rationalization she's been using all this time and in so many, many other incidents. It's a callus that protects her from feeling "collateral damage" she and the clan are responsible for. TWA 800 and Waco were but a taste of what flows freely from their wellspring.

Yep, they'll need their calluses. What was the body count Ayers estimated would be required for their fundamental transformation of society?

221 posted on 06/19/2013 5:45:01 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: All; UCANSEE2; miss print; Judicial Watch; Joy Angela; Alamo-Girl

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Glad you don’t believe it. Others do = Investigate?

The Events of the day ..and the day before.. TWA Flight 800 ..are precisely as I stated them then ..and since.

Commander WILLIAM S. DONALDSON III always publicly stated that a surface to air missile, in a floating tube, was probably pulled out to sea by men in a small boat and launched at TWA Flight 800.

Under the CLINTONS, the U.S. Navy was compromised. Case in point, the CLINTON White House pushed hard to turn our U.S. Long Beach Navy Base over to the Communist Chinese for a China Overseas Shipping Company (COSCO) Container Terminal in Long Beach, California. This was done in exchange for China Army Money flowing into the CLINTON White House Private Residence in the mid-1990’s = CHINA GATE.

In a court forced public hearing to stop this, forced by Citizen Activists and conducted by a U.S. Naval Officer, we Citizens witnessed this same U.S. Naval Officer defend what the CLINTON White House wanted to do to our U.S. Long Beach Navy Base in favor of the Communist Chinese.

Regarding TWA Flight 800 .. crucial ‘FBI-Files on Republicans in Congress’ Gate testimony, due the next morning on National TV for all to see, suddenly disappeared from our TV Screens after TWA Flight 800 sadly entered the Atlantic Ocean the very night before. All that was left for everyone else to see on TV was floating plane wreckage and human personal effects.

Investigate!

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222 posted on 06/19/2013 5:47:00 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I’m shocked this story even got reported by the mainstream news today. Conservative radio did not even touch it and I don’t blame them as it is still way hot and dangerous after all these years. Maybe having the mainstream start to report on this is some sort of threat from Obama to the Clinton’s.


223 posted on 06/19/2013 5:54:14 PM PDT by TBall
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

It is difficult to do further ‘investigation’ when all the evidence has been conveniently destroyed.

Just because I don’t believe you, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

The same goes for my theory.

The problem is... we may never have convincing evidence as to which one (and that includes other theories besides ours) are ‘the truth’.

Do you think this ‘film’ will lead to someone else talking? Like someone other than ‘investigators’ ?


224 posted on 06/19/2013 5:56:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: TBall
I’m shocked this story even got reported by the mainstream news today.

The source explains why.

(1) They have to sell laundry detergent too.

(2) Obama needs a diversion.

(3)The money and power currently running our country do not want Hillary for a candidate. They obviously have some other person (an assumption. Maybe it's a monkey or a horse) in mind.

225 posted on 06/19/2013 6:00:58 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: DHerion
The crewmen firing the missile would have known what they hit. You don’t fire a missile and not monitor where it goes.

No argument there. But... those in the sensor room are already under sworn oath not to talk about ANYTHING they do while on duty. The 'room' where the targeting and tracking equipment is located is a restricted area. Only the top brass and the techies know what goes on in there.

I enjoy debating with you, but the point is that this is one THEORY, and regardless to your doubts, it is a possibility.

I have doubts that it was a terrorist shoulder launched missile, but it is a possibility. I have doubts that the Clinton's ordered the shootdown, or allowed terrorists to do it, but that is a possibility (and based on current events, less ridiculous than it seemed).

226 posted on 06/19/2013 6:13:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: CodeJockey
Yes, both c4 and semtex residue were found in the fuselage. It is documented in the final NTSB report. They conclude they were brought aboard by bomb sniffing dogs prior to the flight. This has been debunked. This new documentary should cover this hopefully.

You're right. It turns out the plane used in the dog training had a different tail number. It was not the plane that went down in the TWA-800 disaster. In addition the small amounts used in dog training will not survive routine cleaning much less weeks at the bottom of the ocean. It was a bogus claim for the low information voters.

227 posted on 06/19/2013 6:26:26 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks for the reminder, Ronnie. I'm not sure whether they merely allowed a known upcoming event or had a more active part in 'something big' happening, but they were saved by the media turning toward the 'greater disaster'.

Funny, how that seems to happen every time some Dem crook gets on the hot seat.

228 posted on 06/19/2013 6:42:44 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Yes and hi there Patton@Bastogne - I’m still here!


229 posted on 06/19/2013 7:07:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Indeed. Investigate!


230 posted on 06/19/2013 7:08:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 0.E.O; FreedomPoster
Here you go:

The area in question is the tan debris field that resulted from something striking the 747 just after the last transponder return at 31:12. That had a passive radar signature clocked over Mach2 and took out seats, passengers, luggage, papers, etc., all found in the "crosswind debris field," including heavy items blown back beyond the flight path. A ground-to-air rocket motor was later recovered by a fishing boat in this field, photographed, but then "lost." The "red zone debris" contained wreckage from the nose: seats, passengers, luggage, papers, carry-on stuff. . . Etc. The green are is where the main body of the 747 fell after a ballistic trajectory from the initiating event. . . calculated by the USS Rude which sailed directly to that spot based on those calculations, and found the sea burning from the splashed in 747 and floating debris.

231 posted on 06/19/2013 7:14:47 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: UCANSEE2

Recalling that there’s less air per cu cm the higher we go, the bolide would still be traveling very fast. Combine that with the forward momentum of the plane and you could get a pretty good smack out of a modest sized rock. Remember, the dental office down the street didn’t vaporize when hit ~ in fact, visitors were out in the parking lot looking for pieces. Still a hole in the roof. Now, put that hole in an airplane in an area with fuel you might have some exciting times ~ for a couple of seconds.


232 posted on 06/19/2013 7:15:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: UCANSEE2
Regarding multiple explosions, the plane was hit by a rock considerably smaller than the one that blew up over Russia!

At the same time the plane was high enough that sound attenuation should have been sufficient to effectively muffle any collision ~ whether with a rock or a missile.

233 posted on 06/19/2013 7:15:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rickmichaels

Here’s something I found on IMDB.com in the trivia about the movie “Nine to Five”:

In the middle of the film, Dolly Parton and her colleagues send a nosy secretary to the Aspen Language Center in Colorado to learn French. The particular TWA 747 shown in the film later was used in reality on the ill-fated flight of TWA 800, which exploded off of Long Island, NY.

Kinda freaky, eh?


234 posted on 06/19/2013 7:39:33 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (The LEFT's intolerance of the RIGHT is intolerable.)
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To: muawiyah
The bolide theory doesn't hold water. The 110 or so eye witnesses who variously saw an object trailing smoke rise up to impact the aircraft reported it either went straight up, arched or streaked up. These witnesses were spread around an arc of approximately 270° around the event. When triangulated, the positioning negates the possibility of a bolide coming over the horizon and the ONLY consistent explanation is an object rising from the surface. Some of these witnesses were ex military with experience with observing surface to air missile launches. The differences in "arching" or "straight up" in the reports are consistent with positioning of the witnesses and the postulated firing point. It is not consistent with any possible bolide. Ergo, no bolide except for those who NEED to deny a missile.

Six weeks before the TWA-800 Disaster, a fully set-up, live, tripod mounted SAM was discovered abandoned on a Long Island road near the flight path where TWA-800 went down. This was an expensive piece of ordnance that may have been abandoned because the people intending to use it were interrupted and fled before they could. What are the odds? What were they intending to shoot down?

235 posted on 06/19/2013 7:59:09 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: GBA
What was the body count Ayers estimated would be required for their fundamental transformation of society?

The end justifies the means.

236 posted on 06/20/2013 1:09:21 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Swordmaker

There is no USS Rude. Never has been.


237 posted on 06/20/2013 3:43:41 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Alamo-Girl; All

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Yes, Investigate now, as CHELSEA has just publically pre-announced HILLARY’s 2016 Presidential Run.

“CHELSEA is complicit in supporting her parents, HILLARY and BILL CLINTON’s, own worst misbehaviors” =

Viewer E-Mail publicilly read on KCAL TV 9 Los Angeles news during the CLINTON Impeachment Saga.

Shortly afterwards, Viewer E-Mails ceased being read on the air.

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238 posted on 06/20/2013 5:11:55 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: muawiyah

I believe that it is a possibility. But there is other evidence that counters the meteorite theory.


239 posted on 06/20/2013 5:38:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: 0.E.O
NOAA ship Rude has wreck-finding expertise

July 20, 1999
Web posted at: 3:31 p.m. EDT (1931 GMT)

The high-tech National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration survey ship Rude, used in the search for John F. Kennedy Jr.'s lost plane, was first commissioned in 1967 and specializes in locating submerged wrecks and other underwater obstructions.

The ship was named for Capt. Gilbert T. Rude of the former Coast and Geodetic Survey. He developed the Rude Star Finder, used for locating celestial bodies.

The Rude, pronounced "Rudy," is one of the smallest hydrographic survey vessels. It operates primarily in the U.S. Atlantic and Gulf coasts, using Norfolk, Virginia, as a home port.

240 posted on 06/20/2013 6:06:35 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: muawiyah
At the same time the plane was high enough that sound attenuation should have been sufficient to effectively muffle any collision ~ whether with a rock or a missile.

But... was the noise heard by witnesses ?

241 posted on 06/20/2013 6:06:37 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: GBA
Dang, forgot this part:

The Rude, along with the USS Grasp, took part in the search-and-salvage operation after the 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800 off Long Island.

242 posted on 06/20/2013 6:09:23 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

Then it would not be USS Rude since it isn’t a naval ship. Your post was confusing.


243 posted on 06/20/2013 7:22:12 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Indeed, investigate now. Buuuuump!


244 posted on 06/20/2013 7:27:37 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 0.E.O
You are correct pointing out the mistake of calling it the "USS Rude" since the Rude is a NOAA ship, not USN.

My post was intended to fill in the ship's background, history and purpose to remove confusion, not add to it.

I regret if you are more confused as a result, as that was not my intent.

245 posted on 06/20/2013 7:31:58 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: All; Alamo-Girl; miss print; Joy Angela; Judicial Watch

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..and it has begun:

Dems start Obama to Clinton transition

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/306719-dems-start-transition-from-obama-to-clinton

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246 posted on 06/20/2013 9:40:24 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; Alamo-Girl; miss print; Joy Angela; Smokin' Joe; Judicial Watch

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Indeed, Investigate NOW:

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What brought down TWA Flight 800? Group wants investigation reopened

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-twa-flight-800-investigation-20130619,0,5346085.story

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247 posted on 06/20/2013 10:02:26 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the links!


248 posted on 06/20/2013 10:28:47 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 0.E.O

Sorry, my mis-recollection...My apologies. It was the NOAA Ship Rude. Been too long. Senior moment.


249 posted on 06/20/2013 3:04:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker
By the way, someone raised the possibility that the missile--if that's the real cause!--that destroyed TWA Flight 800 may not be a MANPAD or an accident Standard missile launch from a US Navy destroyer, but something much more sinister:

What you're seeing here is the 9K33 Osa (NATO code name SA-8 Gecko) battlefield portable SAM system. Some variants of the missile used on this system can intercept targets as high as 42,000 feet off the ground. Because the 9K33 Osa system was widely exported to Arab countries, on possibility is that terrorists "jury rigged" a single missile launcher plus guidance radar onto a small New England-style fishing boat; as such, this SAM is far more capable than any MANPAD and because the missile was radar-guided, that may explain why the explosion happened at the center of the plane because the missile homed in to the center of the big radar return from the 747.

250 posted on 06/20/2013 11:05:06 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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