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Snowden on Aeroflot flight to Moscow - reports
http://rt.com/news/snowden-fly-moscow-aeroflot-125/ ^

Posted on 06/23/2013 1:03:12 AM PDT by kronos77

US whistleblower Edward Snowden is en route to Moscow from Hong Kong on an Aeroflot flight, reports AFP. Washington has filed an extradition order to the Hong Kong authorities on charges of espionage, theft and conversion of government property.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: benghazi; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; nsa; putin; russia; snowden; snowdenrussia; sourcetitlenoturl
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To: SgtBilko
Something has gone horribly wrong with the US when conservatives have to team up with the ACLU to preserve and protect the Constitution from the Republican Party leadership.. Let's be clear about exactly what feels wrong - and this is just a rare example of the ACLU fulfilling its actual mission instead of relentlessly advancing collectivism.
101 posted on 06/23/2013 8:55:49 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: TheGipperWasRight
I feel like i’m watching a reality show with what this guy is doing.

What you're watching is a computer generated simulation of reality. Google knows what will shape our opinions. I'm sure Google doesn't have a Fed contract to provide that information. /s They certainly gave it to Obama for Amerika.

102 posted on 06/23/2013 9:08:00 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: kronos77
A Russian TV channel Vesti 24 has reported that

Mr. Snowden didn't have a Russian visa

The passengers were bussed to a terminal, what is an unusual practice

One business class passenger told a car with red diplomatic licence plates had ppicked up a WHite man

There were Ecuador diplomatic cars at the airport

103 posted on 06/23/2013 9:15:37 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

Aeroflot says Mr. Snowden has bought a ticket for the Monday flight to Havana.


104 posted on 06/23/2013 9:22:51 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: SgtBilko

Bump for later

Or

Bookmark for later


105 posted on 06/23/2013 9:23:41 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: HollyB
Too weird. It looks like a edited special effect added into his greeting. Like a photo shop, only video instead of photographic?
106 posted on 06/23/2013 9:23:52 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long Oh LORD?)
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To: 444Flyer

Definitely hope it was edited, kinda funny, in an odd kind of way.


107 posted on 06/23/2013 9:26:54 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: ecomcon
Unfortunately there is no easy way to dismiss your argument. "Snowden is Obama’s tool." Could very easily be true.
Stacking this whole NSA episode along side the Bin Laden Seal Team outing, Benghazi, and the revelations about IRS and other executive branch targeting has to make you wonder. Is this all part of a plan, or is this just FedZilla choking on it's incredible size and power?
Good point;
"So the NSA knows everything about everybody, but doesn’t know about their own employee’s 4 year long effort to contact left wing journo’s to divulge secrets?"

108 posted on 06/23/2013 9:40:34 AM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Grampa Dave
Echelon was started during the Truman years ..

Didn't know that. My earliest recollection was during the Clinton Administration, although it makes sense that intelligence gathering operations such as this may take years to truly develop as they require technology maturation to really implement.

109 posted on 06/23/2013 9:48:40 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: RFEngineer
What the NSA is doing to honest, hardworking, taxpaying Americans is a threat to the Constitution, and God-given freedoms we hold dear.

Game. Set. Match.

110 posted on 06/23/2013 9:50:08 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: cookcounty
We must be clear of the Fox News coverage of the black limo at the Airport in Moscow. That flag on the front right side of the diplo limo was ECUADORIAN, NOT VENEZUELAN. The flags of both respect countries look similar in color scheme, but there are actually big differences in the center of the flags themselves. As far as I can tell, it was Ecuadorians who were there for him. (As stated in an earlier post). In fact, even before he took up Wikileaks offer to be helped, their public advice to him was he flee to Ecuador. Now they are officially assisting him. This may merely then be their publicly stated pre-indictment advice to him being put into practice, i.e. HK-Rus-Ecuador route. I could be wrong and this interesting summer bird could fly to Venezuela via Havana, in which case then I would virulently have to disagree with Mr. Snowden that he was heading for "a democracy".

PS the guy is not stupid, he knows he could be assassinated easily by agents out there trained in those arts, and so a shell game or a fakeout could also be in the making, where they confuse the hell out of whomever wants his butt...after hearing him talk, I think he would be capable of devising such a goose chase until he gets to un-extraditionable soil, and with a group like Wikileaks now backing up, yes, they could have all kinds of ploys going on. If I put my self in his shoes, regardless of whether I were a "hero" or a "traitor", knowing the capabilities of those chasing me globally, I would certainly have such an elaborate, complext plan to confound them and keep my heart beating, or being overpowered and thrown into a van and immediately "hooded".

111 posted on 06/23/2013 10:01:24 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Un won't have a single "bad underwear day" unless/until we've a patriot in the White House)
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To: kronos77

27 Edward Snowden Quotes About US Government Spying

http://www.silverdoctors.com/27-edward-snowden-quotes-about-u-s-government-spying-that-should-send-a-chill-up-your-spine/


112 posted on 06/23/2013 10:17:43 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Full ACK.
Edward Snowden asks Ecuador for asylum
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23023576


113 posted on 06/23/2013 10:42:55 AM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: SgtBilko

Absolutely. It is ECUADOR the man is heading for. Obama must be sh*tting bricks. Wait until even MORE US Federal Government violations of privacy and the Constitution, not to mention intimidation and blackmail to get their way in D.C., that will be coming out. No wonder they want him either double-tapped on the spot, or spirited off to Guantanamo. He is, in short, an “Enemy of the State”. So are growing thousands of other people in our own country. It should be a concern to every conservative, civil libertarian and small government support...I know for example Barry Goldwater must be turning in his grave, probably Ronald Reagan as well. But not guys like Dole, McCain, Graham, Romney, Jeb Bush, yeah our real heroes there.


114 posted on 06/23/2013 11:02:19 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Un won't have a single "bad underwear day" unless/until we've a patriot in the White House)
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To: VictoryGal; MinuteGal

Oh for heaven sakes. Like Snowden had any choice in where he would fly to next. Snowden is a political hot potato, and he’s being tossed from one Commie country to another until they can get him out to a country that will take him in, most likely Equador. He might have to make one last stop in Cuba before being bounced to Equador, or possibly Venezuela.

Snowden has to be sent to a country that will be able to protect him once he is there, and keep him out of the clutches of Obama who is real PO’d right now because he’s been given a very public espionage outing, and Snowden’s whistle blowing has exposed the fact that not only is there foreign spying, but also domestic spying by Obama’s regime on our own citizenry. He’s going to go after Snowden tooth and tong.

I don’t think Iceland will be safe for him, that leaves Equador or Venezuela. Snowden doesn’t have a lot of choices, and his final location is in the hands of Putin at the moment. Putin doesn’t like Obama. Putin will stick it to him. Obama is going to end up politically and internationally with a very black eye (pardon the double entendre).

The bottom line here is that Snowden chose to go to Hong Kong because it has a modicum of freedom from mainline China, and it was a close and safer choice for him to make when he first fled as he lived in Hawaii. So it was logical for him to fly to a country that was easiest to get to physically. He didn’t go to China; he went to Hong Kong, which is a bird of a different feather because of its British colonial heritage.

I am so sick of the various talking heads and particular congressmen saying this morning on TV that Snowden has chosen China (not Hong Kong, they keep saying China to make it sound bad), the Soviet Union (like he had any choice; and as it is a long plane flight from China heading West, there had to be a stopover somewhere), and then possibly to Cuba (again, the plane has to land somewhere over here so he can then hop to Equador or Venezuela). Snowden’s fate as to where he eventually ends up depends on countries that are communist, whether Snowden likes it or not as it’s his only route out.

Bottom line, I believe Snowden will end up in Equador, where he will be best protected from the long arm of Obama and his regime. Obama will go after any whistleblower that dares to adversely cross him and his thugs and that makes them look bad or blows the whistle on the behavior of their regime. It’s the Chicago way; I ought to know, I have lived and worked in downtown Chicago, and now (retired) reside in the one truly conservative suburb of Chicago, DuPage County.


115 posted on 06/23/2013 11:08:47 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: usconservative

ECHELON: America’s Secret Global Surveillance Network — Patrick ...
http://www.ncoic.com/nsapoole.htm - 81k - Cached - Similar pages
ECHELON is controlled by the NSA and is operated in conjunction with the .... would follow for forty years would be the breeding ground of the ECHELON spy system. ... President Harry Truman established the NSA in 1952 with a presidential ...

“Executive Summary

In the greatest surveillance effort ever established, the US National Security Agency (NSA) has created a global spy system, codename ECHELON, which captures and analyzes virtually every phone call, fax, email and telex message sent anywhere in the world. ECHELON is controlled by the NSA and is operated in conjunction with the General Communications Head Quarters (GCHQ) of England, the Communications Security Establishment (CSE) of Canada, the Australian Defense Security Directorate (DSD), and the General Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) of New Zealand. These organizations are bound together under a secret 1948 agreement, UKUSA, whose terms and text remain under wraps even today.

The ECHELON system is fairly simple in design: position intercept stations all over the world to capture all satellite, microwave, cellular and fiber-optic communications traffic, and then process this information through the massive computer capabilities of the NSA, including advanced voice recognition and optical character recognition (OCR) programs, and look for code words or phrases (known as the ECHELON “Dictionary”) that will prompt the computers to flag the message for recording and transcribing for future analysis. Intelligence analysts at each of the respective “listening stations” maintain separate keyword lists for them to analyze any conversation”


116 posted on 06/23/2013 12:06:36 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

‘I’m of the opinion that what Snowden is talking about is actually the continuation of ECHELON.

ECHELON is an old Cold War project, and once things like that get started, they tend to have an inertia of their own - they never really shut down, they just change the name as needed.’

You may be correct. Which is why I posted this:

“Echelon was started during the Truman years and has probably evolved to what we are seeing and hearing.”


117 posted on 06/23/2013 12:16:11 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I’m of the opinion that what Snowden is talking about is actually the continuation of ECHELON.

That's been my opinion as well (as I've expressed in my posts on this topic) and I believe several other Freepers have come around to that line of thinking as well.

118 posted on 06/23/2013 12:58:45 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: flaglady47; mickie; ExTexasRedhead; Chigirl 26; seekthetruth; seenenuf; surfer; Maine Mariner; ...
Ah, finally, Flaglady.....yours is a voice of sanity amidst all the fervored speculation, theories, crackpottery, frustrations, tabloid hopes and fears, hysterics, dramatics, rumors, hearsays and misdirections in the I-Love-a-Mystery, Spy-Novel souls of the American public vis a vis the perambulations of the anti-James Bond, Edward Snowden.

First, Snowden knows what he's doing and will do it despite the feverish lets-make-a-guess projections of those following his rather dramatic flight.

Second, everyone here should be gosh-awful grateful that Snowden blew his whistle well in advance of the crucial, life-or-death mid-term elections....which Obama and thugs plan to STEAL and CORRUPT with the aid of all the overt and still covert electronic instrumentation they have at their fingertips.

Without one lone, bespectacled guy whistling in the dark, any Obamafia criminality a short 17 months from now will be at least a little more difficult to get away with....now that major light has been shined on a lot of their evil machinations.

Leni

119 posted on 06/23/2013 1:15:09 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal; gonzo
Hi lovely lady. I'm only putting this out on a thread because people (FL chapter) may see it...are we going to do another fine dining experience in NPR? We haven't done that in a while (October has been the month), and the First lady asked me about it yesterday.

Heck, it may be our last time before 0bama and his DHS/NSA/IRS etc. come to take us away.

5.56mm

120 posted on 06/23/2013 1:33:50 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: flaglady47; maggief; thouworm; penelopesire; SE Mom; crosslink

Excellent post!
Did you see FOX last night? Whistleblower on “Hore-Aldo” said there were many that 0 was charging with espionage. All were people who were exposing his corruption

If anyone can find a transcript it needs own thread with lots of publicity !!

May make some of those freeper yelling traitor to thing twice


121 posted on 06/23/2013 2:27:48 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: MinuteGal; flaglady47

I ditto that, for sure!!


122 posted on 06/23/2013 2:28:59 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: M Kehoe; MinuteGal

Ah Yes, to dine in NPR ~~~ possibly to plan, too ........................................................................ FRegards


123 posted on 06/23/2013 2:42:09 PM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms ... FRegards)
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To: VictoryGal

Actually Snowden hasn’t technically been in Russia. He’s been in a hotel at the airport which is considered to NOT be Russian soil. They are being very careful with him. Now if he spent a day in the office with Putin that would be different.

To me he’s neither a hero nor a traitor. I don’t much like him from watching the interview and reading his online Q&A last week. He broke the law -several in fact and should be held accountable.But I for one would rather know than not know what we’ve learned from his revelations.


124 posted on 06/23/2013 2:56:29 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: hoosiermama

Huh? Other whistleblowers? Like who?


125 posted on 06/23/2013 2:58:52 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: M Kehoe; seekthetruth; gonzo
Yep....I definitely have something in mind....around the first or second week in August....which ain't that far away!

I've been recuperating from a hospital stay (pneumonia) and it's been taking a while.

Stay stuned.....

Leni

126 posted on 06/23/2013 3:32:48 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: hoosiermama

I’m on my fone and can’t help fast enough but the transcript should be in here somewhere

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/geraldo/index.html


127 posted on 06/23/2013 3:33:13 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Nik Naym

You don’t seem to recognize who the enemies really are.


If you think the US military is the “enemy” then you are either with the jihadis or wearing too much tin foil on your noggin.


128 posted on 06/23/2013 4:56:51 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: SE Mom

The point was made that more were charged with espionage than all presidents combined. All were whistleblowers trying to get what was going on out. See if you can find a transcript .


129 posted on 06/23/2013 4:57:28 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: txhurl; SE Mom

Am also on phone. See link above and post transcript when you find it


130 posted on 06/23/2013 5:00:13 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: hoosiermama

This is not the Fox transcript, but I also read about this today in another article. Of course, lost that one, but found this one with details of who the other seven charged under Obama were and why:

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/06/21/snowden-becomes-eighth-person-to-be-indicted-for-espionage-by-the-obama-justice-department/


131 posted on 06/23/2013 6:11:39 PM PDT by momfirst
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

“Unfortunately there is no easy way to dismiss your argument. “Snowden is Obama’s tool.” Could very easily be true.”

You’re overthinking this. It ain’t a James Bond episode, .... yet, lol.


132 posted on 06/23/2013 6:56:21 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: PaleoBob

“If you think the US military is the “enemy” “

Are you terminally stupid or are you just a troll?

WHO ever said anything about the military?


133 posted on 06/23/2013 7:02:32 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; MinuteGal

“If I put my self in his shoes, regardless of whether I were a “hero” or a “traitor”, knowing the capabilities of those chasing me globally, I would certainly have such an elaborate, complext plan to confound them and keep my heart beating, or being overpowered and thrown into a van and immediately “hooded”.”

That is why Snowden has hooked up with Wikileaks, and Wikileaks, knowing what could happen to Snowden, has surrounded him with diplomats and representatives from Wikileaks to prevent any shennanigans on the part of the Chinese gov’t while in Hong Kong, and by the Russians on the layover in Moscow. These people are with Snowden to surround him with dimplomatic protection, eyes that will watch over him at each of the stops on his way to whatever country he ends up in. Very smart of Mr. Snowden; he’s doing exceedingly well outfoxing the various foxes (in particular Obama), wouldn’t you say, for a high school dropout (sarcasm). I’m enjoying the flight of the Snowden today immensely, and look forward to him reaching safety far away from Obama’s clutches.


134 posted on 06/23/2013 7:06:24 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: SE Mom

“Huh? Other whistleblowers? Like who?”

They were spoken about on Geraldo’s show and the whistleblowers themselves have been being interviewed on such shows as Cavuto, Hannity, Eric Bolling’s Cashin In, Lou Dobbs, and others. You haven’t been paying attention.


135 posted on 06/23/2013 7:23:07 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

Ok- I thought there were new ones. I have unfortunately been paying attention. I’d sleep better if I didn’t!


136 posted on 06/23/2013 7:29:16 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't think that he is a valuable asset to the Russians Chinese or any other of our country's adversaries. He is a low level guy who just happened to be in on the “secret” that the Obama administration is spying on US citizens in an unprecedented manner. Our adversaries in the intelligence community already knew this. The media insiders already suspected as much. Most people on FreeRepublic suspected as much.

The ones kept in the dark have been the average liberal and moderate “low information” citizens. If Snowden’s actions help to awaken this demographic and they take an interest there is a very small chance that something will be done. This is also a bit of a litmus test for our politicians. The ones who roll over and do nothing will be exposed for the cowards that they are.

137 posted on 06/23/2013 7:33:46 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: txrefugee

Putin plays chess. Obama plays the skin flute.


138 posted on 06/23/2013 7:36:10 PM PDT by Palio di Siena
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To: flaglady47
Yes, whatever his motivation... he has exposed the Obama administration in a way that makes them look like the lying hypocrites that they are. For whatever reason this has captured the imagination of a large segment of the population that normally does not pay attention.

Snowden has helped highlight the way that our government has devolved into an oppressive all powerful monster that is watching over all aspects of our lives. It does not take much imagination to envision how instead of ensuring our freedom all this technical advancement threatens to enslave of us all. I think that it has been a wake up call to many young people especially.

As far as damaging our national security... The NSA has been exposed as a multi-billion dollar government boondoggle that is collecting so much data that they are making it easier for terrorists to slip through the cracks. If the Israelis have taught us anything it is that there is no substitute for true intelligence when collecting intelligence... that means that if you are a middle aged tourist visiting Israel you don't get hassled at all. If you are a youthful Muslim loving community organizer you better bring some good ointment to ease the pain you are going to be experiencing after the cavity search.

139 posted on 06/23/2013 7:53:38 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: PaleoBob

>>If it dawns on him to begin sacrificing infants to pagan slaughter on a hilltop in Katmandu,

Nice non sequitur. So I take it you are OK with the NSA spying on Americans?

I don’t see the US government as having much legitimacy these days, thus the need for a Checka...I mean, FISA...


140 posted on 06/23/2013 8:49:32 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: VictoryGal

Cheney, for all the good that he did, is part of the problem.


141 posted on 06/23/2013 8:51:58 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: RummyChick

Sure, let’s see an “extraction team” go to Russia.

All of them would be killed, and it would be within the rights of the Russians to do so.


142 posted on 06/23/2013 8:57:34 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: VictoryGal

>>Oh really. And running to Russia, that paragon of God-given rights and the US’s steadfast friend /sarc with our secrets is heroic to you?

And the US is the paragon of God-given rights? So, tell me, does that star-spangled banner yet wave o’er the land of the free and the home of the brave? Or is that just some BS that people sing before a baseball game?


143 posted on 06/23/2013 9:01:11 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: TheGipperWasRight
I feel like i’m watching a reality show with what this guy is doing.

That's because it is a show. The whole thing is farcical. Snowden is Obama's man. They could have burned him down years ago.

I don't think the elites are the slightest bit embarrassed about it, and want everyone to know that yes, Virginia, we are in fact doing it, and that we will continue to do it.

144 posted on 06/23/2013 9:40:10 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: SE Mom

I suggest you read this thread currently on FR, for your edification regarding other whistle blowers. Trust me, it is well worth the read:

“Snowden and the three wise NSA whistleblowers”


145 posted on 06/23/2013 10:06:13 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

May it eventually be someplace other than Venezuela or Cuba, hardly “democratic countries.”


146 posted on 06/24/2013 2:02:07 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Un won't have a single "bad underwear day" unless/until we've a patriot in the White House)
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To: gonzo; M Kehoe; MinuteGal

Ah, yes! Please count us in! November was a long, long time ago.


147 posted on 06/24/2013 3:42:41 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: MinuteGal

How-the-hell did you get Pee-new-moneya, babe? ............................. FRegards


148 posted on 06/24/2013 6:16:37 PM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms ... FRegards)
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To: Nik Naym

Are you terminally stupid or are you just a troll?

WHO ever said anything about the military?


This might come as a shock to you nitwit but the NSA IS a military agency. You are utterly clueless.


149 posted on 06/24/2013 6:18:21 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: PaleoBob

“This might come as a shock to you nitwit but the NSA IS a military agency. You are utterly clueless.”

From the NSA’s own website: “The National Security Agency/Central Security Service (NSA/CSS) is home to America’s codemakers and codebreakers. The Central Security Service was established in 1972 to promote a full partnership between NSA and the cryptologic elements of the armed forces.”

If the NSA was a military agency it wouldn’t have a “partnership between NSA and the cryptologic elements of the armed forces” A partnership implies that there are two different entities involved.

And before you embarrass yourself further, I am already aware that the director is a General in the Army. That does not make the NSA is military agency.

And General’s are political animals and frankly I don’t trust a good deal of those left under this administration.

So bite me.


150 posted on 06/24/2013 7:25:57 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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