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China's Maoist Vision: A City Of 260 Million People
Forbes ^ | 06/23/2013 | Gordon G. Chang

Posted on 06/23/2013 6:55:46 PM PDT by TexGrill

On Wednesday, the Standing Committee of China’s National People’s Congress will convene. What’s on the agenda? A proposal to fast-track a massive urbanization plan.

Beijing is now placing a big bet on cities. The gamble, however, is unlikely to pay off. It could even sink the Chinese economy and create social unrest.

Today, the Tokyo metropolitan area, home to 37.1 million, can claim to be the world’s most populous urban region. Beijing wants to top that and build metropolises dwarfing anything seen in Japan—or anywhere else.

How about a Chinese city of 260 million people? That’s the size of the proposed Bohai Economic Rim, centered on Beijing and Tianjin. Work has already begun on this project with a high-speed railway linking the two cities, which sit next to each other.

There is also a plan to combine Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Dongguan, Foshan, Huizhou, Zhaoqing, Jiangmen, Zhongshan, and Zhuhai in southern Guangdong province. And with those nine cities wrapped into an integrated whole, the adjoining Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau cannot be far behind. So instead of a city of 42 million, it would be more like 50 million.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; chinaeconomy; mao; maoist; redchina
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To: TexGrill

I was in Beijing last week. Then I drove a couple hours North and a couple hours East after that.

Here’s what I want to know: Where were all of the people? Out of some 30 subway stops in their two main inner loops, maybe 3 stops were packed with people, but even then it wasn’t Tokyo-levels of commuters.

Beijing has highway traffic too, but not traffic jams from overcrowding.

...and there were a few farmers in fields, but just a handful.

I walked the Great Wall for miles without seeing a single other human from horizon to horizon, and the Great Wall is built along ridgelines and over mountaintops so your view is fantastic.

I’m not saying that China was empty. I did see people and even had to wait in a few lines...but I’m wondering where the other 1.3 Billion people went.


21 posted on 06/23/2013 8:21:02 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Vince Ferrer

You’re right Beijing hasn’t though about all the social implications of urbanization. I met one official touting his urban plan but when I asked him how he would deal with the rise of street crime, he looked clueless. It seemed as if he had never pondered this dilemma before proposing China megacities as the wave of the future.


22 posted on 06/23/2013 8:21:23 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: Southack

What? Beijing is no ghost city. It’s really crowded. Did you go on Line 1 Subway during rush hour? I’m from Dallas and once you drive a couple of hours from the city proper, you will find vast empty spaces, just like Dallas. However, the Central Business District is jam-packed 24/7.


23 posted on 06/23/2013 8:26:17 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: TexGrill

Line 1 was not crowded. I spent most of my subway time on Line 2 and Line 5, followed by Line 10 and Line 1 (and then the Airport Express, of course).

I started each day at 5 AM and rode on and off until most of the lines closed around 21:00.

I also rode the public bus system extensively. Some buses were full, many were empty.


24 posted on 06/23/2013 8:30:48 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: TexGrill

Street Crime is not a present of future problem for China. It is a homogenous culture with a deathgrip on strong families+values, educated, and they have multiple overlapping layers of police and volunteers throughout.


25 posted on 06/23/2013 8:32:59 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Was it on the weekend or weekday? Just wondering because I take Line 1 every day and I feel like a cramped sardine. I wish I had your luck when taking the subway.


26 posted on 06/23/2013 8:34:27 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: Southack
It is a homogenous culture with a deathgrip on strong families+values, educated, and they have multiple overlapping layers of police and volunteers throughout.

Exactly..Multicultural societies are ultimately doomed to fail.

27 posted on 06/23/2013 8:36:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TexGrill

I was there Wednesday thru Wednesday for 1 week and made it a point to drive, ride, and walk the city and countryside to maximize my feel for the place.

Which stops are you commuting between on Line 1? If you’ll note, I *did* mention that there were at least 3 of the 30 subway stops on the inner loops that were crowded.

My comparison is to Tokyo, by the way. Shovers employed to push more commuters into Japanese subways to completely fill them up.

Beijing felt more like the London tubes (subway) system...and the countryside seemed less populated than 2 hours North of Dallas (where I have a ranch).


28 posted on 06/23/2013 8:45:42 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: dfwgator

The Left pushes “diversity” and multiculturalism only because it hurts the U.S.


29 posted on 06/23/2013 8:46:15 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I commute between Dawanglu to Dongdan subway lines to go to and from work. Anyway, next time you’re in Beijing Freepmail me and I can find some crowded places for you. Cool, your from the Dallas area, it would be good to talk to you the next time you’re in Beijing.


30 posted on 06/23/2013 8:50:34 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: TexGrill

I was at the Dongdan subway stop daily, multiple times each day. My hotel was near there.


31 posted on 06/23/2013 8:54:01 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Now that I think about it. The subway is most crowded on Mondays and Tuesdays and I did notice a drop of passengers on Wednesday-Friday. I recall it raining last week. This might have caused a plunge of commuter traffic. I work nearby the Sheraton Hotel, did you go there?


32 posted on 06/23/2013 8:57:41 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: jmacusa
well, historically, since the time of Christ the 4 population centers have been: the eastern coast of china, india's gangetic basin, southern and western europe and western africa

The population of china was always 15 to 25% of the world's population

Europe's population was 20% of the world's into the 1800s

33 posted on 06/23/2013 10:32:12 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cementjungle

I believe they already do have similar plans for the mega cities like Mexico City, Bombay, Tokyo each of which have 20 to 30 million in their built-up areas...


34 posted on 06/23/2013 10:34:17 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Southack

...and the countryside seemed less populated than 2 hours North of Dallas (where I have a ranch).
******************************
I believe that would place you in Oklahoma, wouldn’t it?

Hope you escaped damage from the recent tornadoes.


35 posted on 06/24/2013 1:48:39 AM PDT by octex
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To: glorgau

Hell NO!! Kung Fu Zombies!


36 posted on 06/24/2013 1:19:59 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: JRios1968

I understand the ‘’mechanics’’ chum. What I want to know is why?


37 posted on 06/24/2013 1:20:53 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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