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Bush advisor: Hastings crash ‘consistent with a car cyberattack’
RT ^ | June 25, 2013

Posted on 06/26/2013 5:56:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Whatever happened here, Clarke is a buffoon.


41 posted on 06/26/2013 8:08:28 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: bigbob

Sorry, but you must not know much about modern cars.

First, most modern luxury cars don’t have a ignition interlock, and even if they did, the computer wins, since the ECM remains active even if the ignition key is off, if the engineers who designed the control system deem it so.

Secondly, most systems have ABS now. The solenoid for ABS can interrupt braking force to any given wheel in a modern car ... it’s part of the government mandated stability system. It can also *apply* brakes. My car, a 2012 Civic Si, actually did this tonight for me in a rain storm, to keep me from spinning into the ditch (low speed on wet road, but sport Michelins and rain water don’t get along).

Thirdly, most modern cars have a fly-by-wire throttle. The system simply has a sensor that tells it how far you have the accelerator pushed. The computer can choose to adjust the throttle plate via the servo, or not. This is also linked to the vehicle stability program. It allows the computer to maximize fuel economy (open the throttle all the way, turn off spark and fuel, and you waste a lot less energy on deceleration, just one scenario).

Fourth, many cars are shipping with electric power steering. Another computer controlled system, also under command of the stability program, you will not be able to steer against it.

Fifth, all these systems are networked, so they can figure out what is working and what is not, and can send control commands back and forth, modulating throttle, braking force, and steering force.

Sixth, a simple easter egg in the stability program could simply apply breaking force to one wheel, remove it from another. It does this all the time in normal operation. Having it fail spectacularly all at once wouldn’t be beyond the pale. It could also, ask the computer to go to maximum throttle.

I am a software engineer. Given the source code to these systems (or stolen source code for these systems -— do you really think Mercedes could keep NSA hackers out of their systems?), I could probably generate the hack in a day or less.

Even more interesting, is the fact that many systems are now sharing the same bus as the stability & ECM. Whose to say you couldn’t just upload the program using unintentional security gaps in the control software via the car’s Bluetooth interface, or key remote interface? It’s all possible if you have people paid lots of money to find these holes. Or at least stable day jobs to find these holes. Many hackers would jump at the chance of trying to pull off something like that.

When I read about him blowing through a stoplight at 100mph, this was my immediate thought on the matter, but I tend to not let my conspiracy mind out to play publicly, but I think it must be said this time.

So where do you get your technical info, seems as though it may be out of date?


42 posted on 06/26/2013 8:46:47 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Does a computer hack blow the engine out in the street?

If it makes the car go 140 MPH directly into a tree, it might.

43 posted on 06/26/2013 8:51:45 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nice! We just bought a new GLK 350 and I love it!


44 posted on 06/26/2013 9:27:14 PM PDT by sheana
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To: norwaypinesavage
To steer it into a pole, the hacker would require VERY FAST communication, including video.

Appears that the steering was very precise.

45 posted on 06/26/2013 9:49:06 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: hamboy
There's video I saw as if a drum of gasoline was on fire.

One of the nice things about diesel fuel is it doesn't burn like gasoline.

That's why military vehicles are all diesel, an ordinary accident won't make them burst into flames.

That takes an explosion to aerosolize the fuel...

46 posted on 06/26/2013 9:49:25 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; opentalk; ..

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

47 posted on 06/26/2013 9:51:42 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: justa-hairyape
These are better ones.


48 posted on 06/26/2013 9:58:51 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Smokin' Joe
If the numbers just don't fit, then the ejection of the engine/transmission (as shown by distance of travel) might have had some help beyond the basic physics of a car crash.

Note that in the video of the crash fire, there is a gusher just ahead of the tree. That has to be a fire hydrant smashed off, causing damage to the underbody and gas tank prior to hitting the tree.

49 posted on 06/26/2013 11:14:16 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
Pretty low pressure for a fire hydrant.

It would help if someone who knows the street there could verify or refute the presence of a hydrant there. Most of the visible damage to the vehicle is to the front. If the vehicle had hit a fire hydrant, the engine should have been shoved more underneath the vehicle, not launched down the road.

Also, a gushing water source would tend to spread the fuel more (gasoline floats), not leave it in a puddle under the vehicle.

51 posted on 06/27/2013 3:39:17 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Sounds like drone technology, applied to a car.


52 posted on 06/27/2013 5:01:28 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sweet!


53 posted on 06/27/2013 5:02:01 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

A lit of people wanted him dead.


54 posted on 06/27/2013 5:03:02 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Revolting cat!; Perdogg; Slings and Arrows

Lemme ask y’all this, if there was a cybercarjacking scene in a Jimmy Bond double-naught spy movie and the guy’s car drives off the road into a tree and explodes, would you accept it or would you scream, “NO WAY! WHAT A CRAPPY PLOT TURN!!”


55 posted on 06/27/2013 5:18:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: null and void

oh goody....Dick Clarke weighs in again...mister ‘let me apologize to the American people’ Clarke....the doofus who’s hair is on fire and he still doesn’t know a bit from a bot


56 posted on 06/27/2013 5:55:45 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: justa-hairyape

The car exploded before it hit the tree.


57 posted on 06/27/2013 8:31:05 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Deathtomarxists
"Easy, Bluetooth"

Bluetooth has a range of about 3 feet.

58 posted on 06/27/2013 10:01:23 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Beat me to it. That’s probably what the accident report will say.


59 posted on 06/27/2013 11:15:18 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: LyinLibs
Chasing him across the USA/Europe is difficult compared to LA.

They learned that with Snowden.

60 posted on 06/27/2013 11:20:20 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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