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Trayvonís Friend Rachel Jeantel Prompts National Debate About Black Youth Culture
The Atlanta Black Star ^ | June 28, 2013 | Nick Chiles

Posted on 06/28/2013 11:41:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Jeantel and attorney West

After Rachel Jeantel left the witness stand following another six hours of grueling cross-examination by George Zimmerman’s lawyers, she immediately prompted a national debate about the language and attitudes of black youth culture and whether her testimony had helped or hurt the defendant.

Jeantel was billed as the prosecution’s star witness because she was the last person to talk on the phone to Trayvon Martin right before he was killed by a gunshot from Zimmerman. Her testimony is crucial because she reported that Zimmerman aggressively followed 17-year-old through the subdivision until he had no choice but to confront Zimmerman.

But that key fact in her testimony has been somewhat lost in the raucous debate about the language used by the 19-year-old Jeantel, her disrespectful attitude toward the defense, her inarticulateness and seeming lack of intelligence.

It is a fascinating instance of black youth culture, with its language and attitudes, splashed across a national stage as it collides with the protocol of the criminal justice system.

The key question will be how the jury— five white women and one Latina—views Jeantel’s believability after her two days of testimony. Will they be influenced by her language and attitude to view her as not very likable, and then make the jump that she is not to be trusted and believed?

Will they see Martin as an unsavory and less sympathetic character because he referred to Zimmerman as a “creepy-ass cracker,” according to Jeantel’s testimony, and also a “nigga?”

Will they understand that the word “cracker” that Jeantel attributed to Martin is less a malicious slur draped in his ill will toward Zimmerman than a toothless slang word black teens use to describe white people — just as they use the word “nigga” to describe everybody, including each other?

While many observers in the white and black communities are lambasting Jeantel for her lack of intelligence, more savvy trial-watchers will focus on the fact that she never wavered in her contention that Zimmerman was following Martin, which is the most important aspect of her testimony.

High-profile defense attorney Billy Martin told host Rev. Al Sharpton on MSNBC that despite all the noise about her language, “the jury is going to look at facts that make her believable, key facts. The key word she was consistent on is, this ‘creepy guy is following me.’ And the key elements here are not some of the slurs that may have been used. They may be offensive and the jury may not want to hear them, but on the key elements, was he following him, and did Trayvon Martin have a choice, I think the jury’s going to be convinced that Zimmerman, based on her testimony, was in fact following him and Trayvon Martin had no choice but to try to run, and he could not.”

Attorney Martin said that when he was a prosecutor in Washington, D.C., a lot of nasty and offensive language would have to be repeated aloud in court during trials, particularly involving homicides.

“This is not unusual in a homicide case to have vulgar language and activity that people find uncomfortable,” he said. “I think a juror and juries look right through that and look at what are we really trying to determine. They’re not trying to see if one was a good person or a bad person. There are facts here. And these facts will show who was the aggressor, who had the ability to flee and who had the gun…I don’t think these slurs are going to make a difference.”

In fact, former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey said the tactic by defense attorney Don West to try to emphasize Jeantel’s inability to understand English and her lack of intelligence — she said she couldn’t read a letter she had a friend write to the Martin family because it was written in cursive — might ultimately backfire.

“There were a couple of points where the defense was starting to be a little patronizing,” Coffey said. “That always backfires. I like the way she stood her ground on that. You saw throughout some of the questioning how she would correct some of the defense lawyers, not rudely but simply standing up for herself. So whether the jury found her sympathetic or not, I think there had to be sort of a grudging respect for this very young woman who was dealing with a situation she couldn’t have imagined ever encountering, who by and large stuck true to her testimony and true to her beliefs.”

The defense tried to damage Jeantel’s credibility by showing how her story changed over the past year, particularly how her testimony differed from the description she gave in the letter her friend wrote for her.

“Why wasn’t ‘creepy-ass cracker’ in prior interviews?” West asked.

“Nobody asked me,” replied Jeantel.

The letter, in which Martin’s name is spelled incorrectly, gives her blow-by-blow account of what happened, which she said was intended for Trayvon’s parents, not for public consumption.

“He started walking then noticed someone was following him,” read the letter. “Then he decided to find a shortcut cause the man wouldn’t follow him. Then he said the man didn’t follow him again. Then he looked back and saw the man again. The man started getting closer. Then Trevon turned around and said Why are you following me!! Then I heard him fall. Then the phone hung up. I called back and got no response. In my mind I thought it was just a fight. Then I found out this tragic story. Thank you.”

In her testimony, she described Martin calling Zimmerman a “creepy-ass cracker,” and said she warned him to walk away, saying “it might be a rapist.”

After Martin told her he was going to try to “lose him” and get to the home, the man who was following him reappeared, prompting the confrontation.

Jeantel has consistently said she heard Martin ask Zimmerman why he was following him. But in an earlier account, she said Zimmerman replied, “What are you talking about?” But on the stand she said Zimmerman replied, “What are you doing around here?”

Jeantel testified she heard Martin’s phone headset fall and then Martin say “Get off!”—after which the phone went dead.

West asked Jeantel why she did not tell Martin’s family or their lawyer, Benjamin Crump, that the teen yelled “Get off!” Jeantel said, “because Crump is not law enforcement.”

West at one point tried to imply that Martin could have started a fight with Zimmerman but decided not to tell Jeantel about it.

“Of course, you don’t know if he (Martin) was telling the truth or not,” West said to Jeantel.

“Why he need to lie about that sir?” replied Jeantel.

“Maybe if he decided to assault George Zimmerman, he didn’t want you to know about it?” answered West.

“That’s real retarded, sir,” Jeantel said. “When you don’t know the person, why risk it? Trayvon didn’t know him.”


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1 posted on 06/28/2013 11:41:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the most telling part of her testimony was when shes was asked if Trayvon saying that Zimmerman was a “white ass Cracker” was racist - and she said no ...


2 posted on 06/28/2013 11:44:53 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Correction. Creepy ass Cracker ...


3 posted on 06/28/2013 11:45:38 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thoughts? My thought is in 4 years that disgusting pig is going to have 2 kids, a HS degree and can’t read cursive, and will be living off my taxes.


4 posted on 06/28/2013 11:46:47 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

You have always had a way with words. ;-)

Can’t say I disagree, though, especially since she can’t read what she supposedly wrote, and doesn’t know that “creepy ass cracker” is racist.


5 posted on 06/28/2013 11:49:48 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (To the GOPe ~ Chickens...comin' home...to roost!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Will they understand that the word “cracker” that Jeantel attributed to Martin is less a malicious slur draped in his ill will toward Zimmerman than a toothless slang word black teens use to describe white people —”

Right, and racist whites regard “n*****” as “toothless slang”. Say it aloud in Bed-Stuy, and you’re the one that will be toothless, if you escape with your life...


6 posted on 06/28/2013 11:50:12 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Feral animals living off the 53% — feeding time at the inner city.


7 posted on 06/28/2013 11:50:41 PM PDT by twister881
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Black yute "culture" in Obamaland


8 posted on 06/28/2013 11:51:24 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that that's I like about Texas)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Only two kids in four years? And wake up she is has probably already living off your taxes for years while tweeting on her Obama phone!


9 posted on 06/28/2013 11:52:02 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Will they be influenced by her language and attitude to view her as not very likable, and then make the jump that she is not to be trusted and believed?

Will they be influenced by the admitted fact that she lied multiple times, including under oath, and then make the, ahem, RATIONAL CONCLUSION that she is not to be trusted and believed?

Will they see Martin as an unsavory and less sympathetic character because he referred to Zimmerman as a “creepy-ass cracker,” according to Jeantel’s testimony, and also a “nigga?”

My, my. The deep mysteries of the universe.

One wonders how they would see Zimmerman if someone produced evidence he called Trayvon Martin a racial slur?

Will they understand that the word “cracker” that Jeantel attributed to Martin is less a malicious slur draped in his ill will toward Zimmerman than a toothless slang word black teens use to describe white people — just as they use the word “nigga” to describe everybody, including each other?

Oh. Well, then. Maybe "n*****" isn't really a malicious slur, either. Maybe it's just a toothless slang word that some white folks use to describe black people.

The stupid is strong with this one.

10 posted on 06/28/2013 11:54:28 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: dixiechick2000

And had no idea what “culture” meant.


11 posted on 06/28/2013 11:54:48 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: doc1019

Yup.


12 posted on 06/28/2013 11:57:06 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (To the GOPe ~ Chickens...comin' home...to roost!)
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To: Lmo56

I think the most telling part of her testimony was when shes was asked if Trayvon saying that Zimmerman was a “white ass Cracker” was racist - and she said no ...


She was telling the truth according to her world. She knows no better because she, and millions like her, do not know the difference between right and wrong and good and bad. Discernment is foreign to them.


13 posted on 06/28/2013 11:58:57 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What the heck is that thing growing where her neck should be?


14 posted on 06/29/2013 12:00:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Rubio's New Book: From Nobody To Senator, To Conservative savior, Then Back To Nobody")
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To: Iron Munro

A goiter.


15 posted on 06/29/2013 12:02:04 AM PDT by twister881
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No wonder they put Lincolns coffin in a steel cage and then encased it in solid concrete 10 feet deep.


16 posted on 06/29/2013 12:02:36 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

we are lucky that not all black youth are like jenteal. we are unlucky a sizeable portion of black youth are like her, or worse.


17 posted on 06/29/2013 12:10:35 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
just as they use the word “nigga” to describe everybody, including each other?

So how about we all start doing that? Paula, you first. Whoops, that one sure backfired.

18 posted on 06/29/2013 12:29:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: twister881

Goiter? Hell no, a dragonfly is fikkin to fly by.

19 posted on 06/29/2013 12:36:08 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Secret Agent Man

OK. Someone needs to say it. We need to bring back the literacy test before we let these people vote. When this country was founded, no one dreamed people like these would actually be able to decide who is elected to office. There would be nothing racist about a literacy test, and I’m sure lots of whites would fail as well. If you don’t watch the news, and you are barely bright enough to brush your teeth, do you really have the right to choose who will run the (previously) most powerful country in the world? Look where we are now. Life has been short and brutal for most of the human population who ever existed on this planet, and it will soon be short and brutal again if we don’t wise up and drop the PC BS.


20 posted on 06/29/2013 12:39:42 AM PDT by binreadin
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To: binreadin

could also always go back and link it to property taxpayers ie landowners.


21 posted on 06/29/2013 12:46:38 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: laplata

Discernment is several steps abover her grade level.


22 posted on 06/29/2013 12:58:06 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: BigCinBigD

She simply exists.

Liberals should be ashamed for having created the likes of her.


23 posted on 06/29/2013 1:08:35 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Iron Munro

LOL

It sure isn’t for hickies.


24 posted on 06/29/2013 1:09:53 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

you effin morons are the only one’s concerned about your color.

We never think of it until you distract us with how deplorable life is because you were born of a certain melatonin.

How in the Fk, am I suppose to care about the color of your skin?

You are skipping generations, in which there could be a real improvement of your own character and a certain symbiosis between the rest of us without your race being a subject of interest.

I’m more interested in your di ck he ad attitude than I am with your “race”, which, at this point is looking slow and lazy...........


25 posted on 06/29/2013 1:27:15 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

26 posted on 06/29/2013 1:35:29 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I haven’t heard her entire testimony, but I must say, from the transcripts here I can easily draw the conclusion that Zimmerman acting as a vigilante followed Martin.

However, I seem to have read that the witness said that Martin made it home, or made it to a safe place, then went back out again looking for Zimmerma.

Does anyone know if this is true? If not, then Zimmerman may still have a problem.


27 posted on 06/29/2013 1:38:39 AM PDT by nikos1121 (¬ďTo err is human; to forgive, divine.¬Ē Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Unless I hear something more I’d say from what I’ve read that Zimmerman followed Martin and could very well have instigated the conflict and that it’s Martin who fought in self defense.

This is not going to be dismissed Folks. And it shouldn’t be. This needs to go to the jury.

This article, contrary to what everyone is saying, paints this woman as yes, ignorant, but there’s a bit of street wis?”e intelligence to her.

She is uneducated, the way Obama and other black leaders have always wanted black people to be like, but she’s not stupid.

What was that advertisement. “A human mind is a terrible thing to waste?”


28 posted on 06/29/2013 1:42:20 AM PDT by nikos1121 (¬ďTo err is human; to forgive, divine.¬Ē Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: laplata
She and all like her represent the rise of the Morlocks.
29 posted on 06/29/2013 1:54:42 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Vendome
Tragically, this started in the late 60s, and has only become worse. In the 60s there were at least the parents and grandparents ("uncle toms") who wanted their children to learn in school, get good jobs, open businesses, be (rightfully) proud and productive members of society.

With the poisoning of the well by the New Left, especially the racist agitators of the New Left, the H. Rap Browns, Eldridge Cleavers, and Malcolm X, (and others) the 'burn it down, blame whitey, get over on the man' culture of perpetual victimhood was born.

The great Society and Affirmative Action, coupled with ethnic 'studies' programs to give even more people a pass at the college level became a means of milking the Government teat for all it was worth.

And self-respect, real, earned, achievement based self respect died in there somewhere, smothered in the treacle of self-esteem, of "pride" without basis in achievement.

The old line was lost to time and attrition, those who had held their children to task, who would not tolerate their babies, their young black men and women acting like ni**ers, and who would never have referred to themselves with such a deprecating term, any more than the Dutchess of Cornwall would publicly refer to herself as "bitch".

The really sad part is that the black attorneys, doctors, scientists, and the like who did work hard and graduate from colleges ahead of the wave of crap have witnessed the degeneration of their people, goaded and maintained by race-baiters like the 'reverends' who preach hatred and blame from the pulpit, but who will not hold their own people to task for their extraordinary lack of achievement, nor place the blame for that lack of achievement squarely where it belongs: on the lowered expectations of their communities, foisted by the media and their own people, upon their own people, leading to massive social decay.

No one can solve these problems for them, but neither can other communities permit this decay to take root in their own, nor can they permit the decay to dominate them in any way, shape, or form, if civil society is to continue to exist.

Either those who harbor and feed the problem will do something about it, or others will be forced to as the corruption and amorality erode civilization itself.

30 posted on 06/29/2013 1:55:24 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: BigCinBigD
She and all like her represent the rise of the Morlocks.

If that is true, who does that leave as the Eloi?

Time for people to wise up to this BS, and cut off the subsidies.

31 posted on 06/29/2013 1:57:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think she is not intelligent; uneducated and clever is more like it. If she is a victim; it is of a dumb downed society where getting a good education clearly is not the objective but goals stopping short of gaining material items given to you; but not earned. Once the dangling carrot is pulled; these kids are going to be in for the shock of their lives.


32 posted on 06/29/2013 2:11:58 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: binreadin
When this country was founded, no one dreamed people like these would actually be able to decide who is elected to office.

What you are talking about here is the difference between a republic and a mobocracy. Trouble is, in this two-party system, both parties are governed by the Mobocrats -- two flavors of the same thing.

33 posted on 06/29/2013 2:29:36 AM PDT by imardmd1
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To: binreadin
If you don’t watch the news, and you are barely bright enough to brush your teeth, do you really have the right to choose who will run the (previously) most powerful country in the world?

The test should be, do you contribute more than you cost?

Voting is a conflict of interest for those on the dole.

34 posted on 06/29/2013 2:54:23 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t care what color the witness, she was obviously as dumb as a bag of hammers.


35 posted on 06/29/2013 3:25:16 AM PDT by AdaGray (Primary Them All)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is a fascinating instance of black youth culture, with its language and attitudes, splashed across a national stage as it collides with the protocol of the criminal justice system.

Oh yea?
36 posted on 06/29/2013 3:31:39 AM PDT by Vision (We are not descended from fearful men)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Geraldo Rivera said it is sad that now the ALL WHITE jury may look down on her because she is not articulate.

No, Whoraldo, it is because she is LYING!


37 posted on 06/29/2013 3:33:32 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Black Youth Culture

a.k.a. The phenomenon previously known as barbarism.

38 posted on 06/29/2013 3:35:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: binreadin

Good luck with that, after the CW the damn Radical Republicans gave the vote to every black and took it away from the whites.


39 posted on 06/29/2013 3:36:08 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some of what we know about this lady is irrelevant. The fact that she’s not very intelligent or articulate, for example, proves very little about the case. What matters is that she’s a track record of not being honest. That’s what’s important. She’s milked her 10 minutes of fame and exploited this very unnecessary deadly confrontation for all the attention she could get. The things about her demeanor and performance - the way she exposes the attitudes and folk ways of the belligerent black underclass - is beside the point to the truth of the case. And it’s besides the point to improving the conditions of black people. Nearly all Liberals see these folks - the Trayvons and their Jeantels - as the victims and the violent vanguard of Liberalism in a hurry. For that, they’re beyond reproach by the Liberal masters who run the urban ghettos. Black folks are willing to fight and die against each other to maintain the Liberal underclass culture as it is with its angry music, angry politics, and totalitarian approach. We cannot help people who won’t turn away from their self-destruction. Any criticism is of her behavior or Trayvon’s is going to be dismissed as coming from a malicious racist heart. Stopping that criticism is important to the continued chauvinism of Liberalism.


40 posted on 06/29/2013 3:39:49 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
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Yes. Just look at her picture and watch 10 minutes of her ‘testimony’ on the stand.

Under different circumstances, one could envision her standing atop a Burger King counter throwing a hissy-fit because they didn’t put ketchup on her burger.

How does this ‘citizen’ support herself? Does she live with her mother? Is she in school? Does she have a job? Does she get a ‘check?’

According to her, she lied to Martin’s mother about her age (19 vs 16). Why is that? Because she didn’t want get into some adult/minor thing? Or, is she living with her momma and momma purports she is 16 for some other reason?

Does her momma work? Is her momma on public assistance? Does she claim dependents?

Yeah, these are all pretty biased sounding questions and may likely be construed as ‘racist’ in some people’s eyes, but the very LACK of any supporting information at all about what this woman does, how she supports herself, what her current existence/subsistence is other than she is/was “Trayvon’s Girlfriend - now only Friend” tells me there is information out there about her the media and the political apparatchiks don’t want us to know about her.


41 posted on 06/29/2013 3:42:52 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The left is gender flexing to justify the racism and stupidity...amazing. This is Obama's America


42 posted on 06/29/2013 3:55:03 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104
The left is gender flexing to justify the racism and stupidity...amazing. This is Obama's America

They're gender flexing alright. Genuflecting, too.

43 posted on 06/29/2013 3:58:25 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just hope that crazy assed crackers lean something from all of this.


44 posted on 06/29/2013 4:02:34 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: binreadin

I’m for a taxes paid test. If you don’t own land or net pay on Federal Income Taxes, you don’t vote.


45 posted on 06/29/2013 4:03:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any of those jurors live in Geneva, Chuluota, Oviedo, areas south of downtown Sanford....they will think RJ is a lying idiot. The first two are rural towns...with some old Florida Crackers


46 posted on 06/29/2013 4:17:30 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
more savvy trial-watchers will focus on the fact that she never wavered in her contention that Zimmerman was following Martin, which is the most important aspect of her testimony.

Even if she had been present at the scene, the value of this contention would be colored by her demonstrated dishonesty. Since she wasn't present at the scene, rational jurors should treat it as fiction.

47 posted on 06/29/2013 4:19:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
#%$#^%$*& Spellchecker...


48 posted on 06/29/2013 4:20:02 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Oviedo isn’t. A lot of UCF faculty and staff.


49 posted on 06/29/2013 4:20:20 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Even if she had been present at the scene, the value of this contention would be colored by her demonstrated dishonesty

It also would be colored by her race. As it is now.

50 posted on 06/29/2013 4:22:29 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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