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Trayvonís Friend Rachel Jeantel Prompts National Debate About Black Youth Culture
The Atlanta Black Star ^ | June 28, 2013 | Nick Chiles

Posted on 06/28/2013 11:41:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Jeantel and attorney West

After Rachel Jeantel left the witness stand following another six hours of grueling cross-examination by George Zimmerman’s lawyers, she immediately prompted a national debate about the language and attitudes of black youth culture and whether her testimony had helped or hurt the defendant.

Jeantel was billed as the prosecution’s star witness because she was the last person to talk on the phone to Trayvon Martin right before he was killed by a gunshot from Zimmerman. Her testimony is crucial because she reported that Zimmerman aggressively followed 17-year-old through the subdivision until he had no choice but to confront Zimmerman.

But that key fact in her testimony has been somewhat lost in the raucous debate about the language used by the 19-year-old Jeantel, her disrespectful attitude toward the defense, her inarticulateness and seeming lack of intelligence.

It is a fascinating instance of black youth culture, with its language and attitudes, splashed across a national stage as it collides with the protocol of the criminal justice system.

The key question will be how the jury— five white women and one Latina—views Jeantel’s believability after her two days of testimony. Will they be influenced by her language and attitude to view her as not very likable, and then make the jump that she is not to be trusted and believed?

Will they see Martin as an unsavory and less sympathetic character because he referred to Zimmerman as a “creepy-ass cracker,” according to Jeantel’s testimony, and also a “nigga?”

Will they understand that the word “cracker” that Jeantel attributed to Martin is less a malicious slur draped in his ill will toward Zimmerman than a toothless slang word black teens use to describe white people — just as they use the word “nigga” to describe everybody, including each other?

While many observers in the white and black communities are lambasting Jeantel for her lack of intelligence, more savvy trial-watchers will focus on the fact that she never wavered in her contention that Zimmerman was following Martin, which is the most important aspect of her testimony.

High-profile defense attorney Billy Martin told host Rev. Al Sharpton on MSNBC that despite all the noise about her language, “the jury is going to look at facts that make her believable, key facts. The key word she was consistent on is, this ‘creepy guy is following me.’ And the key elements here are not some of the slurs that may have been used. They may be offensive and the jury may not want to hear them, but on the key elements, was he following him, and did Trayvon Martin have a choice, I think the jury’s going to be convinced that Zimmerman, based on her testimony, was in fact following him and Trayvon Martin had no choice but to try to run, and he could not.”

Attorney Martin said that when he was a prosecutor in Washington, D.C., a lot of nasty and offensive language would have to be repeated aloud in court during trials, particularly involving homicides.

“This is not unusual in a homicide case to have vulgar language and activity that people find uncomfortable,” he said. “I think a juror and juries look right through that and look at what are we really trying to determine. They’re not trying to see if one was a good person or a bad person. There are facts here. And these facts will show who was the aggressor, who had the ability to flee and who had the gun…I don’t think these slurs are going to make a difference.”

In fact, former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey said the tactic by defense attorney Don West to try to emphasize Jeantel’s inability to understand English and her lack of intelligence — she said she couldn’t read a letter she had a friend write to the Martin family because it was written in cursive — might ultimately backfire.

“There were a couple of points where the defense was starting to be a little patronizing,” Coffey said. “That always backfires. I like the way she stood her ground on that. You saw throughout some of the questioning how she would correct some of the defense lawyers, not rudely but simply standing up for herself. So whether the jury found her sympathetic or not, I think there had to be sort of a grudging respect for this very young woman who was dealing with a situation she couldn’t have imagined ever encountering, who by and large stuck true to her testimony and true to her beliefs.”

The defense tried to damage Jeantel’s credibility by showing how her story changed over the past year, particularly how her testimony differed from the description she gave in the letter her friend wrote for her.

“Why wasn’t ‘creepy-ass cracker’ in prior interviews?” West asked.

“Nobody asked me,” replied Jeantel.

The letter, in which Martin’s name is spelled incorrectly, gives her blow-by-blow account of what happened, which she said was intended for Trayvon’s parents, not for public consumption.

“He started walking then noticed someone was following him,” read the letter. “Then he decided to find a shortcut cause the man wouldn’t follow him. Then he said the man didn’t follow him again. Then he looked back and saw the man again. The man started getting closer. Then Trevon turned around and said Why are you following me!! Then I heard him fall. Then the phone hung up. I called back and got no response. In my mind I thought it was just a fight. Then I found out this tragic story. Thank you.”

In her testimony, she described Martin calling Zimmerman a “creepy-ass cracker,” and said she warned him to walk away, saying “it might be a rapist.”

After Martin told her he was going to try to “lose him” and get to the home, the man who was following him reappeared, prompting the confrontation.

Jeantel has consistently said she heard Martin ask Zimmerman why he was following him. But in an earlier account, she said Zimmerman replied, “What are you talking about?” But on the stand she said Zimmerman replied, “What are you doing around here?”

Jeantel testified she heard Martin’s phone headset fall and then Martin say “Get off!”—after which the phone went dead.

West asked Jeantel why she did not tell Martin’s family or their lawyer, Benjamin Crump, that the teen yelled “Get off!” Jeantel said, “because Crump is not law enforcement.”

West at one point tried to imply that Martin could have started a fight with Zimmerman but decided not to tell Jeantel about it.

“Of course, you don’t know if he (Martin) was telling the truth or not,” West said to Jeantel.

“Why he need to lie about that sir?” replied Jeantel.

“Maybe if he decided to assault George Zimmerman, he didn’t want you to know about it?” answered West.

“That’s real retarded, sir,” Jeantel said. “When you don’t know the person, why risk it? Trayvon didn’t know him.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asscracker; florida; racheljeantel; trayvon; trayvonstroops; zimmerman
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To: ASA Vet

“creepy” means pervert and “ass-cracker” refers to homosexual sodomy.

Does that mean that if Trayvon had lived, he would not have been able to host a cooking show?

Or more likely, does that mean that if Trayvon had lived, he would have hosted a cooking show?

I can’t keep up with what is “in” with gay behavior anymore that I can with what the “correct” term is to refer to members of Trayvon’s race.


61 posted on 06/29/2013 5:15:13 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hating Whitey but taking his money and blaming him for their self-inflicted pathologies.


62 posted on 06/29/2013 5:17:27 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Will they be influenced by her language and attitude to view her as not very likable, and then make the jump that she is not to be trusted and believed?

Seems like the fact that she is a liar would do that. No jump required.

63 posted on 06/29/2013 5:21:01 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I still don’t believe that she is 19 — she looks more like 25 — and this is what “puppy love” looks and sounds like????.

She has a criminal lawyer who is a scheme teamer.

She says that she first met Trayvon when he came around her “area”.

Area”????

Could that be an “area” as in a juvenile detention “area”.

This mumbler looks like she had had a lot of run ins with the police and knows her way around the system and spent a lot of time in the “area”.

Did she just open things up for her previous bad acts to come into play as they interact with Martin???


64 posted on 06/29/2013 5:22:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Jeff Winston

Great counter point!


65 posted on 06/29/2013 5:27:20 AM PDT by blaveda (blaveda)
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To: laplata
“Liberals should be ashamed for having created the likes of her.”

Why? She's dirt simple to manipulate against liberalism's’ enemies and she's too damn stupid to know it.

66 posted on 06/29/2013 5:32:13 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: nikos1121

It was Zimmerman who was returning to his car when he was cold cocked by St. Skittles.


67 posted on 06/29/2013 5:35:51 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: All

why are they taking this piece of human debris and placing her on a pedestal?


68 posted on 06/29/2013 5:41:45 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Trayvon’s Friend Rachel Jeantel Prompts National Debate About Black Youth Culture” Unfortunately for them and for America there is LITTLE Difference between what passes as culture among Blacks of all ages and Black “youths.”
Blacks are hands down the MOST race conscious people in America EVERYTHING is race to those people (phrase chosen for its aptness regardless of whom it offends). They celebrate anything anti or un American and only want to be part of our society on the first and fifteenth of each month. Black Culture? Please these are the people that keep the N word alive.
69 posted on 06/29/2013 5:43:04 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: elhombrelibre

IChing posted a youtube video of Trayvon’s mother mouthing the words “she lyin’” to her husband during Ra’Chel’s testimony. (applying proper ghetto spelling).


70 posted on 06/29/2013 5:43:40 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (Qui pacem, praeparet bellum.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I posted this to another thread the other day. It is appropriate for this thread as well. What’s really scary about this is the number of people who are defending her as if this is perfectly normal. Unfortunately, they’re right.

“At the risk of being called a racist, I’m going on a rant.

The surprise that some people seem to have after seeing this person’s intelligence level surprises me. I live in an area of the country that is over 50% black. I believe there are people on this website from states like Vermont, upper New York, Montana, etc., who don’t have a clue about what this culture really is like and what it is like living around them. I want to enlighten them.

This woman is not an exception; she is the rule. Where I live, you won’t just see her at the drive through at McDonald’s or as the cashier at Walmart. She will also be your pharmacy technician and your bank teller. I’m not exaggerating.

There are Trayvons everywhere in my city. Some examples of the animals: an upcoming young engineer is shot in the head when he answers the door to some Trayvons, an elderly woman known as a philanthropist is beaten to death by a Trayvon who breaks into her house, just a couple of days ago a woman who sells candy and sodas out of her house was killed in a robbery by two Trayvons. I’m sure they got enough money in the robbery to retire to some tropical island.

Am I saying that there aren’t white people who commit crimes? Of course not. But, just watching the local news will show a vast disparity in the races when it comes to crimes. How often do you see a pack of white people beating some one up for their tennis shoes?

So, anyone can call me a racist if they want. All I know is what I see.

Rant off.”


71 posted on 06/29/2013 5:47:45 AM PDT by suthener
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
and can’t read and it will be 2 kids with numerous abortions.
^^^^^^^^^^

It isn't just cursive. The woman can't read much of anything.

So?...It's been estimated that the U.S. spends more than $11,000/year/child and **this** is what the taxpayers get?

Those who oppose homeschooing and vouchers say that that government should set and oversee the standards homeschooling and voucher schools should achieve. Well!.....I have an idea!

Let's make the standards for homeschooling and voucher schools the same as the standards that apply to government schooling. If illiteracy and innumeracy is considered passing for the government, then that should be passing for home and voucher schools as well.

72 posted on 06/29/2013 5:50:26 AM PDT by wintertime (Yuri Besmenov was a prophet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lemme axe dis....
Does she get a pass for the “retard” comment because of her race, too?


73 posted on 06/29/2013 5:52:56 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The key question will be how the jury— five white women and one Latina—views Jeantel’s believability after her two days of testimony. Will they be influenced by her language and attitude to view her as not very likable, and then make the jump that she is not to be trusted and believed?

No, they should conclude she is not to be trusted because she admitted on the stand that she has lied a number of times already.

74 posted on 06/29/2013 5:54:29 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: nikos1121
If Trayvon had gone home, then as soon as Zimmerman saw him open the door with a key, he would have thought "OK, he lives her", told the dispatcher "never mind", and went home.

If Trayvon had called 911 saying "there's some creepy-ass cracka following me", they would have told him that was the neighborhood watch guy, and nothing further would have happened.

But Trayvon decided to assault Zimmerman. Bad idea.

75 posted on 06/29/2013 5:56:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With all this publicity and her natural proclivity for absurdity, I think she has an excellent chance to be elected to Congress.


76 posted on 06/29/2013 5:59:02 AM PDT by Errant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“That’s real retarded, sir,” Jeantel said.

GASP!! She used the R word. Can she be intolerant and ignorant if she is a person of color?


77 posted on 06/29/2013 5:59:04 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Uncle Chip
She says that she first met Trayvon when he came around her “area”.

Event horizon.

78 posted on 06/29/2013 6:00:52 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: suthener
Am I saying that there aren’t white people who commit crimes? Of course not. But, just watching the local news will show a vast disparity in the races when it comes to crimes. How often do you see a pack of white people beating some one up for their tennis shoes?

Particularly when you consider the "per capita" angle, it's pretty significant.

79 posted on 06/29/2013 6:01:09 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (Qui pacem, praeparet bellum.)
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To: FreedomPoster
I’m for a taxes paid test. If you don’t own land or net pay on Federal Income Taxes, you don’t vote.

If one is on public assistance, he or she should lose voting rights for the duration.

80 posted on 06/29/2013 6:01:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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