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Trayvonís Friend Rachel Jeantel Prompts National Debate About Black Youth Culture
The Atlanta Black Star ^ | June 28, 2013 | Nick Chiles

Posted on 06/28/2013 11:41:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: binreadin

“We need to bring back the literacy test before we let these people vote”

Or print the ballots in cursive.


51 posted on 06/29/2013 4:28:19 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: nikos1121

There was a thread back when this event all happened that involved a map. All the key points, where Z was, where he parked his truck, where TM came from and where he was living, and where the eyewitnesses were located.

That thread and the evidence laid out cemented for me that Zimmerman is innocent. Yes, he’s a guy watching out for his community, and there have been burglaries. Yes, he was armed. That is all prudent.

If Trayvon had continued to where he was staying, he’d still be alive. Instead, he doubled back to confront Z and was in the process of beating him to death, or so he thought. When Zimmerman’s weapon was exposed due to the beating and thrashing he was taking from Trayvon, Trayvon tried to grab the gun, but Zimmerman got it and fired.

My conclusion: Zimmerman was acting quite appropriately, including calling 911 to keep law enforcement updated. It was Trayvon’s actions that were “creepy” and thug-like. Trayvon caused the confrontation, actually started it by attacking Zimmerman.

Imagine how this would have played out had Trayvon simply had a civil conversation with Zimmerman. Zimmerman could have asked him who what and where, and Trayvon could have explained rationally that he was staying there, just down the block.

The only real problem Mr. Zimmerman has is that he’s already been tried and convicted by the media. If he wins, he loses. If he loses he loses. NBC should be sued out of existence for their part in ruining Zimmerman’s life.


52 posted on 06/29/2013 4:35:50 AM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: Big Giant Head

AThank you for this. IF this goes further, it would be the most compelling defense for Z. But let me ask you something.

Do we know anything about Z? I mean we the judge has surpressed the prior conduct of M which paints him clearly as a racist thug, but how about Z? Was he a rational person? Was he quick on the trigger before? Any prior felonies? How many times did he call 911?


53 posted on 06/29/2013 4:43:22 AM PDT by nikos1121 (¬ďTo err is human; to forgive, divine.¬Ē Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: doc1019
And had no idea what “culture” meant.

"Culture", as in petri dish.

54 posted on 06/29/2013 4:50:02 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: laplata

“She knows no better because she, and millions like her, do not know the difference between right and wrong and good and bad. Discernment is foreign to them.”

Interesting she said in testimony she goes to church.


55 posted on 06/29/2013 4:59:23 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Big Giant Head

re: “ Instead, he doubled back to confront Z. . .”

This is the key right there. According to Zimmerman’s testimony, he lost sight of Trayvon and was heading back to his vehicle, when Trayvon suddenly appears and confronts him about why he is following him.

Did Jeantel’s testimony contradict this? I thought I read that she said that Trayvon told her he was going to confront Zimmerman?


56 posted on 06/29/2013 5:01:28 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Flick Lives

I just realized that no one has as yet mentioned “Eubonics”


57 posted on 06/29/2013 5:01:48 AM PDT by ken5050 (Due to all the WH scandals, MSNBC is changing its slogan from "Lean Forward" to "BOHICA")
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To: Lmo56; laplata
when shes was asked if Trayvon saying that Zimmerman was a “white ass Cracker” was racist - and she said no ...

She said "creepy ass-cracker" which is not racial.

In Feral Urban Youth (FUY) speak "creepy" means pervert and "ass-cracker" refers to homosexual sodomy.

That usage also explains her implication that St. Travon might get raped, and his response to "stop playing him."

58 posted on 06/29/2013 5:04:15 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: dixiechick2000

See #58


59 posted on 06/29/2013 5:06:27 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: nikos1121
You wrote: "Unless I hear something more I’d say from what I’ve read that Zimmerman followed Martin and could very well have instigated the conflict...."

So exactly what would be wrong with Zimmerman following Martin? Zimmerman was "Neighborhood watch" doing his job. He sees one of the same type of youths who have been robbing homes in his neighborhood. So he follows that youth to see what he is up to, perhaps to see if he does suspicious things like peering in windows and checking out the area. You and I have seen people out on walks in our neighborhoods. We can usually discern whether or not they are just walking or they are "casing the area". I have seen young black guys (who may look like Martin) who I don't recognize as one of our homeowners kids, and I might be curious as to what they are doing. Watching (following), I can soon get a feel if they are up to no good or there for a purpose, like innocently selling magazines for instance.

Of course Zimmerman needed to "follow" Martin, and not jump to any conclusion, but watch to try to discern what he was doing there. If Zimmerman had asked Martin what he was doing there....... should that in itself been an intimidating "confrontation" to Martin. If he was innocent, could he just have replied that he was passing trough on his way home or even just a mumble something like "minding my own business" said politely might have been enough. However jumping on Zimmerman and slamming his head on the pavement and punching his face clearly indicates the fact that Martin is a hoodlum.

When did "neighborhood watching" become "conflict instigation"...... it happens when the hoodlums see themselves as too tough to allow the man to actually watch them.

60 posted on 06/29/2013 5:08:02 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: ASA Vet

“creepy” means pervert and “ass-cracker” refers to homosexual sodomy.

Does that mean that if Trayvon had lived, he would not have been able to host a cooking show?

Or more likely, does that mean that if Trayvon had lived, he would have hosted a cooking show?

I can’t keep up with what is “in” with gay behavior anymore that I can with what the “correct” term is to refer to members of Trayvon’s race.


61 posted on 06/29/2013 5:15:13 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hating Whitey but taking his money and blaming him for their self-inflicted pathologies.


62 posted on 06/29/2013 5:17:27 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Will they be influenced by her language and attitude to view her as not very likable, and then make the jump that she is not to be trusted and believed?

Seems like the fact that she is a liar would do that. No jump required.

63 posted on 06/29/2013 5:21:01 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I still don’t believe that she is 19 — she looks more like 25 — and this is what “puppy love” looks and sounds like????.

She has a criminal lawyer who is a scheme teamer.

She says that she first met Trayvon when he came around her “area”.

Area”????

Could that be an “area” as in a juvenile detention “area”.

This mumbler looks like she had had a lot of run ins with the police and knows her way around the system and spent a lot of time in the “area”.

Did she just open things up for her previous bad acts to come into play as they interact with Martin???


64 posted on 06/29/2013 5:22:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Jeff Winston

Great counter point!


65 posted on 06/29/2013 5:27:20 AM PDT by blaveda (blaveda)
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To: laplata
“Liberals should be ashamed for having created the likes of her.”

Why? She's dirt simple to manipulate against liberalism's’ enemies and she's too damn stupid to know it.

66 posted on 06/29/2013 5:32:13 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: nikos1121

It was Zimmerman who was returning to his car when he was cold cocked by St. Skittles.


67 posted on 06/29/2013 5:35:51 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: All

why are they taking this piece of human debris and placing her on a pedestal?


68 posted on 06/29/2013 5:41:45 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Trayvon’s Friend Rachel Jeantel Prompts National Debate About Black Youth Culture” Unfortunately for them and for America there is LITTLE Difference between what passes as culture among Blacks of all ages and Black “youths.”
Blacks are hands down the MOST race conscious people in America EVERYTHING is race to those people (phrase chosen for its aptness regardless of whom it offends). They celebrate anything anti or un American and only want to be part of our society on the first and fifteenth of each month. Black Culture? Please these are the people that keep the N word alive.
69 posted on 06/29/2013 5:43:04 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: elhombrelibre

IChing posted a youtube video of Trayvon’s mother mouthing the words “she lyin’” to her husband during Ra’Chel’s testimony. (applying proper ghetto spelling).


70 posted on 06/29/2013 5:43:40 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (Qui pacem, praeparet bellum.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I posted this to another thread the other day. It is appropriate for this thread as well. What’s really scary about this is the number of people who are defending her as if this is perfectly normal. Unfortunately, they’re right.

“At the risk of being called a racist, I’m going on a rant.

The surprise that some people seem to have after seeing this person’s intelligence level surprises me. I live in an area of the country that is over 50% black. I believe there are people on this website from states like Vermont, upper New York, Montana, etc., who don’t have a clue about what this culture really is like and what it is like living around them. I want to enlighten them.

This woman is not an exception; she is the rule. Where I live, you won’t just see her at the drive through at McDonald’s or as the cashier at Walmart. She will also be your pharmacy technician and your bank teller. I’m not exaggerating.

There are Trayvons everywhere in my city. Some examples of the animals: an upcoming young engineer is shot in the head when he answers the door to some Trayvons, an elderly woman known as a philanthropist is beaten to death by a Trayvon who breaks into her house, just a couple of days ago a woman who sells candy and sodas out of her house was killed in a robbery by two Trayvons. I’m sure they got enough money in the robbery to retire to some tropical island.

Am I saying that there aren’t white people who commit crimes? Of course not. But, just watching the local news will show a vast disparity in the races when it comes to crimes. How often do you see a pack of white people beating some one up for their tennis shoes?

So, anyone can call me a racist if they want. All I know is what I see.

Rant off.”


71 posted on 06/29/2013 5:47:45 AM PDT by suthener
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
and can’t read and it will be 2 kids with numerous abortions.
^^^^^^^^^^

It isn't just cursive. The woman can't read much of anything.

So?...It's been estimated that the U.S. spends more than $11,000/year/child and **this** is what the taxpayers get?

Those who oppose homeschooing and vouchers say that that government should set and oversee the standards homeschooling and voucher schools should achieve. Well!.....I have an idea!

Let's make the standards for homeschooling and voucher schools the same as the standards that apply to government schooling. If illiteracy and innumeracy is considered passing for the government, then that should be passing for home and voucher schools as well.

72 posted on 06/29/2013 5:50:26 AM PDT by wintertime (Yuri Besmenov was a prophet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lemme axe dis....
Does she get a pass for the “retard” comment because of her race, too?


73 posted on 06/29/2013 5:52:56 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The key question will be how the jury— five white women and one Latina—views Jeantel’s believability after her two days of testimony. Will they be influenced by her language and attitude to view her as not very likable, and then make the jump that she is not to be trusted and believed?

No, they should conclude she is not to be trusted because she admitted on the stand that she has lied a number of times already.

74 posted on 06/29/2013 5:54:29 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: nikos1121
If Trayvon had gone home, then as soon as Zimmerman saw him open the door with a key, he would have thought "OK, he lives her", told the dispatcher "never mind", and went home.

If Trayvon had called 911 saying "there's some creepy-ass cracka following me", they would have told him that was the neighborhood watch guy, and nothing further would have happened.

But Trayvon decided to assault Zimmerman. Bad idea.

75 posted on 06/29/2013 5:56:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With all this publicity and her natural proclivity for absurdity, I think she has an excellent chance to be elected to Congress.


76 posted on 06/29/2013 5:59:02 AM PDT by Errant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“That’s real retarded, sir,” Jeantel said.

GASP!! She used the R word. Can she be intolerant and ignorant if she is a person of color?


77 posted on 06/29/2013 5:59:04 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Uncle Chip
She says that she first met Trayvon when he came around her “area”.

Event horizon.

78 posted on 06/29/2013 6:00:52 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: suthener
Am I saying that there aren’t white people who commit crimes? Of course not. But, just watching the local news will show a vast disparity in the races when it comes to crimes. How often do you see a pack of white people beating some one up for their tennis shoes?

Particularly when you consider the "per capita" angle, it's pretty significant.

79 posted on 06/29/2013 6:01:09 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (Qui pacem, praeparet bellum.)
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To: FreedomPoster
I’m for a taxes paid test. If you don’t own land or net pay on Federal Income Taxes, you don’t vote.

If one is on public assistance, he or she should lose voting rights for the duration.

80 posted on 06/29/2013 6:01:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: ken5050

Yikes, don’t do that!!!
I was in a teaching cert class and the subject was Ebonics. I took exception to the teaching of it and was promptly dubbed a racist by one of my darker class mates. My white prof blamed both of us for not being nice though I found out later from others that this student had been trouble earlier.
I called BS...I emailed this “racist” accusation to the Dean, all my profs and the head of the University...Pat Robertson...as this was at Regent U. The dean called me to say I hadn’t followed “proper procedures”. BS....


81 posted on 06/29/2013 6:02:06 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: PapaBear3625

I agree.


82 posted on 06/29/2013 6:02:35 AM PDT by sport
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To: Mastador1
And wake up she is has probably already living off your taxes for years while tweeting on her Obama phone!

You're heartless! If they cut off her EBT card now, she could starve to death in a couple of years.

83 posted on 06/29/2013 6:03:25 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: laplata
It sure isn’t for hickies.

That thing would add an entirely new dimension for kids who want to go 'necking'.


84 posted on 06/29/2013 6:03:36 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Rubio's New Book: From Nobody To Senator, To Conservative savior, Then Back To Nobody")
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To: binreadin
There would be nothing racist about a literacy test

It would have a "disparate impact" on minorities and therefore is RACIST! And I say, so what.

In addition to being able to read a voter must not receive checks from the government unless that check in for services rendered. Otherwise they'll vote for more checks.

85 posted on 06/29/2013 6:05:00 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: binreadin

That is absurd. 75% of university students voted for Obama as well and even higher if they went to an Ivy League school. Should they as well go through a literacy test? This is a young woman immersed in a ghetto culture. She is the real deal. If anything she was sincere. Whether she lied and fabricated testimony is another issue. Her lack of “sophistication” makes her a credible witness because her description of events have always been consistent. If anything putting her on the stand reinforced the argument that our citizens are ignorant and uneducated, Exactly what the elites want. White college aged liberals get their news and information from Jon Stewart and the likes. Blacks IMHO do not even get that. it’s whitey this and cracker that all over BET. Our culture is dying a slow death and reversing this will require a hurculian effort.


86 posted on 06/29/2013 6:09:03 AM PDT by bubman
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To: matginzac
Lemme axe dis.... Does she get a pass for the “retard” comment because of her race, too?

I wuz gonna axe dat too. Fo' shizzle ma nizzle.

(Hat tip to Urban Dictionary).

87 posted on 06/29/2013 6:10:11 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Will they understand that the word “cracker” that Jeantel attributed to Martin is less a malicious slur draped in his ill will toward Zimmerman than a toothless slang word black teens use to describe white people — just as they use the word “nigga” to describe everybody, including each other?

There's a really good chance that all six jurors are aware of the Paula Deen controversy and while they may not agree with her use of the "N" word or the resulting social punishment, they are most likely to agree that if Deen is a racist for using the "N" word, then so is the Skittle Boy for using the "C" and "N" word.

88 posted on 06/29/2013 6:14:32 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Smokin' Joe
nor place the blame for that lack of achievement squarely where it belongs: on the lowered expectations of their communities, foisted by the media and their own people, upon their own people, leading to massive social decay.

We see comments like the above with some frequency here on Free Republic, and I agree. However...I am always surprised that our nation's system of socialist-entitlement and compulsory schooling is overlooked as a MAJOR reason for society's collapse.

Nearly all the current teachers in our nation's institutional schools ( government and private) were trained by MARXISTS!!!!! That will have consequences in the voting booth and for cultural stability!

And....Since the very beginning of compulsory socialist-entitlement schooling ( mid-1800 to early 1900) progressives have controlled teacher training and curriculum development.

Children who attend secular schools **WILL** learn to think and reason in a godlessly secular manner. They must just to cooperate in the classroom. And...They risk learning that any voting mob powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to give them lots of free stuff. One to three generations of this and we get Wilson and Franklin as presidents. Another 80 years and we have a full blown Marxist in the White House.

( Yeah! I am shouting and jumping up and down and having a fit. I am exasperated that so few people see the damage that compulsory socialist-entitment schooling has done to our nation and society.)

89 posted on 06/29/2013 6:15:44 AM PDT by wintertime (Yuri Besmenov was a prophet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

— she said she couldn’t read a letter she had a friend write to the Martin family because it was written in cursive —


At first, she wrote the letter. Now, someone else wrote it for her. So just out of curiosity, who wrote the letter? Was it someone involved with the DA’s office?


90 posted on 06/29/2013 6:21:45 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

A friend or family friend apparently (IIRC from the addled testimony)


91 posted on 06/29/2013 6:24:02 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: suthener
This woman is not an exception; she is the rule.

Yes, and they are the future.

However, who is to blame for this underclass, which by the way includes many whites. First grade teachers, both black and white. Decades ago, first grade teachers abandoned their all-important function as the transmitters of our culture and civilization and began turning out illiterates by the hundreds of thousands.

The illiterate and resentful underclass is the result of their neglect and malpractice.

92 posted on 06/29/2013 6:25:13 AM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: nikos1121

Don’t post if you are clueless about the details of this case. Your post is an embarrassment.


94 posted on 06/29/2013 6:29:34 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"a toothless slang word black teens use to describe white people"

I'm not offended by the term 'cracker', but really? A presumably black writer can say that a clearly racist word is 'toothless' on what grounds? The day we finally admit that people of all skin tones are capable of racism is the day we finally make real progress in race relations, and not a moment before.

95 posted on 06/29/2013 6:30:20 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Unreconstructed heterosexual.)
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To: Liberty Wins

But don’t you see this is exactly the type of mental deficient the Democrats want to create and have been doing so since the 1950’s when they took over the educational system. I taught in Detroit in all black high schools for three years in the seventies. Nothing has changed or improved. She was there then, she’s here now. No/Low information voters and illegals will keep the communists in power forever.


96 posted on 06/29/2013 6:32:57 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Doc Savage
But don’t you see this is exactly the type of mental deficient the Democrats want to create and have been doing so since the 1950’s . .

It started long before that, with socialist John Dewey, the so-called "father" of modern education.

97 posted on 06/29/2013 6:40:56 AM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The best thing for Conservatives to do on this is just cite that great Bill Cosby essay (the one that’s real and been verified) on Black youth culture. No need for anything else, Cosby nails it, and avoids any sort of “you’re racist” rebuttal.


98 posted on 06/29/2013 6:42:56 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: nikos1121

“I’d say from what I’ve read that Zimmerman followed Martin and could very well have instigated the conflict and that it’s Martin who fought in self defense”

Yes, Zimmerman either followed him, or tried to. That is legal.

There is no indication Zimmerman started a physical confrontation with someone 6 inches taller than him. Nothing in the phone calls to 911 suggests Zimmerman wanted a fight, and nothing in his demeanor afterward would. Most people trying to start a fight don’t ask for the cops to come watch it.

Martin suffered no physical injuries. It therefor becomes hard to argue he was attacked first. But even if Zimmerman started the confrontation, Zimmerman would still have the right under Florida law to use deadly force IF he became convinced Martin was going to kill him, or cause him serious injury.

Miss Ebonic’s testimony was that Martin reached his home. All Martin had to do was...go in. Or he could have gone back and called Zimmerman names. He could have shoved Zimmerman. But once he started pounding Zimmerman’s face and smacking him into concrete - note the injuries to Zimmerman - then Zimmerman could reasonably fear serious harm or death & use deadly force to prevent it. There is nothing mild about having your head pounded into concrete...


99 posted on 06/29/2013 6:52:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: bubman

“75% of university students voted for Obama as well and even higher if they went to an Ivy League school. Should they as well go through a literacy test? This is a young woman immersed in a ghetto culture. She is the real deal. If anything she was sincere. Whether she lied and fabricated testimony is another issue. Her lack of “sophistication” makes her a credible witness because her description of events have always been consistent.”

Someone who cannot read probably cannot form intelligent ideas about the issues. The exceptions to that rule are so rare as to be statistically meaningless.

She was not the real deal. She admitted to repeatedly lying under oath. How credible is testimony given under oath by someone who admits it does not bother her to lie under oath?

My guess is that she told St Martin to go back and teach that cracka a lesson. I do NOT believe “cracker” is a term of endearment by blacks towards whites. I do not think Miss Ebonics believes cracker is a neutral term. I think the ‘don’t you diss me’ attitude she displayed on the stand was shared by St Martin, and that night it killed him.


100 posted on 06/29/2013 7:02:21 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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