Posted on 07/01/2013 8:20:22 AM PDT by Kaslin
I generally believe that social conservatives and libertarians are natural allies. As I wrote last year, this is “because there is wide and deep agreement on the principle of individual responsibility. They may focus on different ill effects, but both camps understand that big government is a threat to a virtuous and productive citizenry.”
I even promoted a “Fusionist” principle based on a very good column by Tim Carney, and I suspect a large majority of libertarians and social conservatives would agree with the statement.
But that doesn’t mean social conservatives and libertarians are the same. There’s some fascinating research on the underlying differences between people of different ideologies, and I suspect the following story might be an example of where the two camps might diverge.
But notice I wrote “might” rather than “will.” I’ll be very curious to see how various readers react to this story about a gay couple that is taking an unusual step to minimize an unfair and punitive tax imposed by the government of Pennsylvania.
(Excerpt) Read more at finance.townhall.com ...
If you are a congenial Hispanic woman golfer, you can also probably avoid a bunch of taxes via barter.
Check this story out.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3037193/posts
Actually that is just part of the story
Yes what?
Libertarians are in agreement, the party positions represent libertarian thought and philosophy.
Libertarians will lie and deceive and tell an audience anything to conceal their real agenda.
There is no way to pretend that libertarians are social conservative, it is social conservatism that they hate and oppose, for one thing if they were actual full conservatives, then they would just be conservatives, economic and social.
Recently, a wealthy man in Palm Beach tried to adopt his girlfriend.
He was on trial for - and was eventually convicted of - DUI manslaughter.
I can’t remember his tax strategy, though.
Maybe he was still married?
Anyway, the judge said “no,” and that was the end of it.
So, you're saying that they're the same as RATs or Muslims?
I think it is different, libertarian is a 50/50 thing, half of it is conservative, and half of it, (the most effective part) is radical leftism.
Libertarians will cling to the half that appeals to whichever audience they are trying to persuade, which generally is conservatives who they are trying to corrupt and move left into rionism, so they will talk taxes and how they agree with conservative economics.
Look at this article and how it subtly promotes gay marriage to a conservative audience, as though social conservatives have to weigh some tax issues versus legalizing gay marriage.
Libertarians can be in agreement about themselves, that has nothing to do with libertarians
it’s like saying that the GOP represents conservatives
No it isn’t, the GOP is a vast political party representing about half of the voting population, libertarianism is a tiny little group of cultists and their own little party that helps put their agenda in political terms.
Since today’s topic is homosexuality, tell us where libertarianism is in opposition to this libertarian position.
1.3 Personal Relationships (libertarian)
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.
For such a tiny little group, they seem to cause you absolutely no end of anxiety.
You mean being on a conservative political forum and discussing enemies of conservatism and promoters of abortion and the homosexual agenda and open borders, you might be at the wrong place if you think that is inappropriate here.
Since it's been going on for a long time and it doesn't infringe on a religious institution, it's preferable to gay marriage. The younger guy adopting the older one, though -- that is strange.
“social conservative” is a myth. There is only conservative.
attempting to balkanize into social fiscal governmental etc. is a rino power stunt.
sounds like you just defined the republican plank on the issue.
Why couldn’t you bring yourself to answer the question?
Since today’s topic is homosexuality, tell us where libertarianism is in opposition to this libertarian position.
1.3 Personal Relationships (libertarian)
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.
Nonsense. Many libertarians are pro-life and pro-national defense, and don't believe everyone has an unalienable right to adopt children.
Don't conflate the Libertarian Party with libertarians in general. It's a convenient but wholly inaccurate smear.
And, yes, libertarians do oppose Constitution-destroying abominations such as the Tyrannical War on Drugs. I presume you favor alcohol prohibition as well, since it causes far more death, violence and misery than all illegal drugs combined...
Libertarians oppose arbitrary authoritarians of all flavors, whether left wing or right wing ones such as yourself.
Right-wing and left wing authoritarians simply differ on the type of nanny state which they think should be imposed on everybody else.
I reject both their Tyranny and yours...
Don’t try that libertarian lie that “many” libertarians are pro-life, sure there are confused individuals supporting the radical leftism of the cult, but who recoil at full, unrestrained , unlimited abortion for the full 9 months, but they are not substantial in numbers.
There is no line separating the libertarians from their party.
Since today’s topic is homosexuality, tell us where libertarianism is in opposition to this libertarian position.
1.3 Personal Relationships (libertarian)
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.
No doubt there are many libertarians who are not pro-life. But virtually every libertarian I know (and I know several) is pro-life. Being pro-life and, say, wanting to protect our borders or believing in strong national defense does not disqualify someone from being libertarian. It may not make the Libertarian Party happy, but most libertarians could care less about that...
Libertarianism is libertarianism, the party is not some anti-libertarian organization mocking themselves, they are pure, libertarianism.
That is why you can’t answer post 37.
I understand as a republican youre desperately trying to find some solid ground, as your ‘leaders’ keep shifting positions to the left
the reason is , you’ve allowed yourself to be baited into an argument whose premise requires govt control over the fundamental construct...ie: interpersonal relationships
if you’re actually for smaller govt, then you would never entertain the concept that govt would rule one way or the other over the matter. as an American, you would be expected to respect others beliefs...whether or not they align with yours.
homo marriage is a step in the longer game of the destruction of the Church. I believe the govt has no say in either things... as did the founders.
you, on the other hand, seem to want a govt that dictates the personal behavior of every individual and organization. your confusion lies in this fact. you see... you’re not a believer in smaller govt... or a republican govt... you’re a fascist who believes in ultimate govt control
that’s just a fact
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