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Sarah Palin Should Start a 'Freedom Party' (within the GOP?)
The Hill ^ | 07/01/13 12:13 PM ET | By Bernie Quigley

Posted on 07/01/2013 4:01:36 PM PDT by drewh

For the first time since the mid 1800s we hear today liberty voices rising from elected state officials including governors. But they're not in D.C.; instead they're in Kansas, Georgia, Michigan, Missouri and dozens of other states, making their own decisions on abortion, guns, constitutional law, ObamaCare, and practically everything.

But no leader yet emerges, and no center. It is, like Pirandello’s play, with actors in search of a theater and a leader.

Actually a leader is emerging: Sarah Palin. But new ideas need new forms to start again the conversation and bring in a new generation. For a fresh start, it should be distanced away from New York, D.C. and Los Angeles, which are all connected to a singular purpose. And it should leave out the decadent establishment press, described recently as “Versailles.” There is little journalism left, only the endless meanderings of adolescent irony, the wink, the nudge and knowing asides of insider jokes and caustic laughter.

There are more than 30 states culturally and politically related today in the center of the country speaking with a single voice. This is American heartland. A conference might be held to look toward a better and more representative future, because this is not about 2016 specifically, but the greater American future.

And regarding 2016, the big Eastern establishment money and influence will all line up behind New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) , and this time, they will not let go. But at every event, Palin brings the crowd to its feet. As a “constitutional conservative,” she could flip the establishment. Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-Ky.) filibuster suggests it is ripe for change. The Bob Dole don’t-trust-anyone-under-70 crowd and the insular Weekly Standard group, which talks so disagreeably to itself, would stay away. But Palin could take the day.

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To: JRandomFreeper

You have a separate wing of the GOP they elect who they want to run for president...one conservative ...so we do not split the ticket against one rhino..a preprimary


51 posted on 07/01/2013 5:10:23 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
I'm done with the GOP. I'm a conservative, not a Republican.

/johnny

52 posted on 07/01/2013 5:11:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: drewh; abb
There is little journalism left, only the endless meanderings of adolescent irony, the wink, the nudge and knowing asides of insider jokes and caustic laughter.

Great line...

53 posted on 07/01/2013 5:19:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: Dartman
It’s time. It can be done. It’s been done elsewhere. This doesn’t have to be like the “Ross Perot” fiasco. The Republicans and the Democrats are too close together now, and they’re both wrong. It will take time, but it can be done.
I’m praying for you good people.

Amen.

On the right, we have a combination of limited government constitutionalist type folks, and social conservatives who are Republicans who openly embrace and promote Christian morality and think govenment is there to help them. For myself, I think I'm a little of each. But there is a strain of "social conservatives" who are ... well, our bigots. For example, they cannot tolerate or abide a gay couple, and call them names, would perhaps want to seek them out and drive them away. Or that a kind-handed benefactor with a soft-spot for sinners is a "communist whacko facist." Those kinds exist, but they're ours. True conservatism is to keep the government out of it and let people make their own moral choices and pay the price for them. People have a right to discriminate for or against open homosexuality through their own peaceful actions that are within God's perameters of good behavior. We managed to do it pretty well for 200 years.

ON THE LEFT, you have a lot of sheep who are pretty sick of all the government nanny state, and who blame Republicans for it. They like to think of themselves as "libertarians" because they (like many conservatives) misinterpret the word. "Liberal" is what comes to their minds, and "libertine" is what comes to certain conservatives' minds. Some of the left's "libertarians" are radical anarcists who confuse "libertarian" with the concept of getting rid of all government except that which enforces thier vision, like stopping communities from outlawing abortion. They don't understand that in libertarian principle, Roe v Wade couldn't exist but a community would have the right to regulate or outlaw it as they saw fit.

Most people simply want less government, especially people who are legitimate American voters, stakeholder, taxpayers, folks with roots here. Elections are fraudulent now and that skews things.

In any case, less government will allow moreal people to live MORE morally, and to create MORE MORAL communities. Right now, governmemnt pretty mucjh prohibits it! A lot of Democrats hate that as much as a lot of Republicans do. THAT is the balance for the third party, and IT CAN BE DONE.

It can be done. But there has to be some give and take, and social conservatives are going to have to "give" on seeking Federal government oversight of moral failings. Abortion should be illegal in all 50 states, but I will settle for the overthrow of Roe V Wade because I think that local governents might surprise folks with solid moral choices in limited government.

54 posted on 07/01/2013 5:20:18 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: bert

staying at home and fraud gave Obama the next four years, and look how friggin great we are now to give a lesson,

yea that worked a frigging treat didn’t it.


55 posted on 07/01/2013 5:21:35 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: stockpirate

exactly , screw all this , \\Why are the French , Greeks, Turks, Egyptians, Germans all protesting and yet Americans watch form their seats and asses marriage being ruined, economy, foreign policy, well do we really have one?

Sarah and Cruz call for a march on the white house and camp out and demand Obama step down and the SCOTUS be re done\\\\This is nuts, dear dictator is over in Africa on our dime, but closes our house, he then tells world leaders to accept his perverted homo agenda and that Africans should not drive cars or have A/C.

We are being spied on and the guys dying are lied to but again asses stay rooted, .

March and camp out in our millions where DC can’t hold us and get world coverage against the dicator


56 posted on 07/01/2013 5:25:27 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Finny

exactly


57 posted on 07/01/2013 5:26:00 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Finny

agree but you can’t tell some.


58 posted on 07/01/2013 5:28:23 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: grania

tell me you are kidding right, we are conservatives nad Paul wants then homo agenda, open borders, well sometimes he does on that.\\\The country is going to crap and all we need is another fool who is more liberal than most Dems on social issues


59 posted on 07/01/2013 5:30:06 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Leo Carpathian

I disagree, the RINO’s are so imbedded in the GOP power structure that it has become virtually impossible to reform. Instead we need a new party where the leadership shares our values so that we don’t get stabbed in the back anymore.


60 posted on 07/01/2013 5:34:59 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: All
Also to point out ... that " A lot of Democrats hate that as much as a lot of Republicans do."

Many of those Republicans who are fine with being described as "conservative," would never dream of calling themselves libertarian. By the same token, many of those Democrats would never dream of calling themselves "conservative," but they can live with "libertarian."

61 posted on 07/01/2013 5:38:38 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: grania
I wouldn’t mind seeing an effective libertarian party taking elements from both parties. It could win, but it’s the end of the socially conservative issues. I could actually live with that if the feds would stop controlling every aspect of our lives.

As 50 years of history proves to us, libertarianism actually results in more and bigger government.

Broken people, broken lives, broken communities and open borders, do not breed rightwing conservative voters, it breeds more liberal voters.

Social conservatism breeds the conservative voter.

A community that supports or lives social liberalism, votes liberal, not conservative.

62 posted on 07/01/2013 5:38:43 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: ansel12
Ansell, show proof of that. Give some specific examples of how:

As 50 years of history proves to us, libertarianism actually results in more and bigger government.

Ask me, and I will cite hard cold proof of how the opposite of "libertarian" -- that is, "somebody who believes in the principle that people should have complete freedom of thought and action" (which, by the way, is the state that God Himself bequeathed us, along with His greatest gift, Jesus).

Ansell, my FRiend, I can cite more than one poignanty example of how the opposite of "libertarian" has increased sloth, envy, promiscuity, divorce, moral decline, not to mention jobs, prosperity, and employment.

When you FORGET libertarian principle, you have a government that has taken it upon itself to be the dispenser of moral justice and responsiblity such as charity and compassion. In government's hands, those HAVE been used, with the fruits of OUR labor, to propagate all kinds of moral malaise and furthermore, to LEGALLY HALT any actions in our communities to stop them.

Thomas Sowell is a libertarian. Rethink your take.

63 posted on 07/01/2013 5:53:19 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: alloysteel
Yep. And that whole charade is supported by the illusion that the MSM is a mirror of American voters, when the truth is that the MSM is a self-portrait of a small enclave of passionately pro-government "compassionate" liberals. Most Americans, if you read their words on consumer comment forums, think the MSM is biased and they're pretty ticked off about it.

The illusion is pretty powerful that they're not as small as they actually are, and that we don't outnumber them in spades. Once that illusion is shattered ...

64 posted on 07/01/2013 5:59:58 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: bert
Your hands are only clean because Rommney LOST. Why did that happen?

:^)

65 posted on 07/01/2013 6:03:38 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

This agenda breeds liberal voters, not conservative voters and we have 50 years of social, moral, and cultural decay to prove it.

Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”, eliminate the Border Patrol and INS.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments full 9 months.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science and marketers can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


66 posted on 07/01/2013 6:04:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: yoe
Perot inadvertendly helped conservatism.

If Bush had won with a majority, the Republican Revolution would never have happened. If Clinton had won with a majority, the Republican Revolution would never have happened, and Clinton sure as hell would never have been impeached.

Clinton had a pissy little plurality -- fully 57% of the voters opposed him. He won with 43% the first time, and with only 49% the second time. Now you TELL me that Dole and HW would have helped consrvatism had they won?

Not hardly.

67 posted on 07/01/2013 6:08:15 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Proud2BeRight

The GOP has used and abused the conservatives in its ranks for the past 30 years.

The elite leadership goes on doing its thing while providing lip service to conservative principles and constantly retreating in real terms.

I’ve been involved in the game at my local level part of that time and I’ve seen the political process that Ronald Reagan once described as the “world with its pants down”.

In 1976 Reagan urged his supporters after making that statement to stay with the GOP and they did electing him president in 1980.

But from Bush 41 on its been all downhill for conservatives and the GOP.

Its time for something to give and it may very well be time for the 3rd Party because right now all the GOP leadership has is a thinly veiled or even open contempt for the grassroots who have stood with the GOP-E while they have sold the conservative activists out.

Phony conservative rhetoric and attacks on Obama’s failures are not substitutes for conservative policy.

Mr. Boehner better understand that he cannot pass any kind of “immigration reform” out of the House because then Obama will end up signing amnesty.

THAT IS A LINE IN THE SAND........


68 posted on 07/01/2013 6:08:59 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Finny
Ansell, show proof of that. Give some specific examples of how

Many people who call themselves libertarians subscribe to some views which are, in fact, contrary to what libertarians should stand for because they've fallen for leftist equivocation.

For example, a proper libertarian would recognize that it is important for government to act as a registry for certain things. Many people, businesses, and institutions want to voluntarily provide benefits to people who are in a kind of relationship which has, since time immemorial, been recognized as so significant as to justify its own word: "marriage". Many such people, businesses, and institutions do not wish to provide such benefits for people who are in different kinds of relationships, and a libertarian should recognize their right not to do so. Unfortunately, libertarians fail to realize that

  1. Having the government define the standards by which such relationships are proven is useful to those who wish to provide benefits to people in them, since without such standards answering what should be a simple question: "Marital status (Single/Married/Separated)" ends up being incredibly complicated [separated, meaning not married, but not presently eligible for remarriage]
  2. The goal of the "gay marriage" movement is to deny people, institutions, and businesses the right to provide benefits to people who are married (in the sense the word has always meant) without providing those benefits to couples with other kinds of relationships. That goal is completely contrary to everything libertarians are supposed to stand for, but many libertarians are blind to it.
I really wish conservatives could have focused on the secular reasons to oppose "gay marriage", and exposed its anti-libertarian goals. Perhaps people will wake up and the backlash will put things back as they should be, but I'm not terribly confident.
69 posted on 07/01/2013 6:10:00 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: yoe

OBAMA WILL WELCOME 20 MILLION ILLEGALS IF JOHN BOEHNER PASSES A BILL OUT OF THE HOUSE TO ‘REFORM IMMIGRATION’ AND YOU CAN KISS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GOODBYE.....


70 posted on 07/01/2013 6:12:41 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: ansel12
I just don't know how this ends well. I don't trust "conservatives" at all, after Rubio and Ryan are showing that they don't really care about stopping the invasion. And Sara Palin? I want to believe, but she has yet to renounce her support of McCain.

It's naive to think that conservatives can do it without bringing in some of the fed-up element from dems and independents.

We lost it when Boehner caved and let the federal debt increase. As far as I can see now, it's a matter of survival. That's a huge reason why getting as many invaders out of the US, and keeping them out, is crucial.

When I talk about some sort of working with libertarians, it's because I'm (fingers crossed) hopeful that Rand Paul can do something positive, especially now that he seems a bit more cognizant of conservative issues.

71 posted on 07/01/2013 6:14:05 PM PDT by grania
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To: bert
“That kind of thinking elected Obama”

I disagree. I want to watch the GOP to rot. Election after election after election of the GOP trying to out Democrat the Democrats and the selection of the next establishment RINO in line got the GOP where it is.

If the GOP establishment thinks it can expect true conservatives to vote for the “lesser of two evils” is over. The GOP can stick it as far as I'm concerned. They think they can stick their continued bowing to massive spending, the homo agenda, rewarding illegal trespassers, allowing Obamacare to grow, attenuate the numerous Obama lies and impeachable scandals, hiding from a criticism of the continued handouts to parasites, and accept the use of the Constitution as toilet paper. They can't anymore.

72 posted on 07/01/2013 6:18:33 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: grania

Renounce her support of McCain? What are you talking about, Sarah Palin is out there supporting McCain on what issues?

Libertarians are at war with their top enemy, social conservatives, if America loses the fight to remain America, and God-fearing, and conservative, then does it really matter what is left?


73 posted on 07/01/2013 6:21:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: drewh; All

BEST REASON to start a new party

GOP legally barred from fighting vote fraud

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/

Democratic National Committee v Republican National Committee

http://judicialview.com/Court-Cases/Civil-Procedure/Democratic-National-Committee-v-Republican-National-Committee/10/201975

Below note the name - Catherine Engelbrecht - Targeted by FBI, IRS, OSHA, etc. - of True the Vote

Why the GOP won’t challenge vote fraud

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

Excerpt:

PolitiJim writes for Gulag Bound, November 13, 2012, that during the weekly True the Vote webcast, Catherine Engelbrecht (see her photo below) related a meeting she had with Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), asking what the GOP would do about voter integrity. The answer?

Nothing. They aren’t legally able to.


74 posted on 07/01/2013 6:22:11 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: ansel12
Don't confuse liberarianism with anarchy. The Libertarian party has systematically mangled and twisted the meaning, and the oxymoron is laughable -- they propose to use government to prevent free people from creating their own local community regulations against that kind of malaise. They want to use the Federal government to enforce anarchy. Do you think that's why Reagan said - and Ansell, he DID say -- that libertarianism was at the heart of conservatism? Do you think Reagan was stupid?

Ansell, for example in the case of Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

UNDERSTAND the the only political platform that can "support" this must also support harsh government force to punish people who won't enable or allow it in their units, their schools, their churches, their adoption agencies -- Surely, Ansell, you can see that the Tradmark Liberterian platform, corrupted and twisted, is the antithesis of what "libertarian" is. I distinguish between the small l libertaian -- Thomas Sowell, Ansell, you must know him as one of the finest minds in politics -- is a small l libertarian.

Big L Libertarian as a partty is fraudulent, and you need to KNOW that to understand what Palin means when she refers to, and it electrifies MILLIONS, that "libertarian streak" shared by folks who are getting sick of both parties. Ansell!!!!! Don't be a useful tool of the facists who hi-jacked the Trade name "libertarian"!!!!!!@

The libertarian principle burns at the heart of conservative and moral government. The Founders knew it and that's the way they wrote the Constitution without outlawing prostitution, sodomy, gambling, etc. They figured the people of the States would govern themselves. The Founders were libertarian enough in principle to leave those very kinds of things OUT of the Constitution.

75 posted on 07/01/2013 6:25:42 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: ansel12

Sarah Palin supported McCain when he ran for US Senate two years ago. Add that to her comments during the presidential campaign that supported invaders staying in the US, and I just can’t be as confident as I’d like to be.


76 posted on 07/01/2013 6:25:43 PM PDT by grania
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To: bert

And no bert. I will NOT again hold my nose and vote for another establishment RINO like a Christie for President. I will NOT hold my nose and vote for my RINO GOP senator. I will NOT vote for the RINO GOP US House Rep that lost to a Rat if he tries to run again.

I did not leave the GOP. The GOP left me.


77 posted on 07/01/2013 6:30:09 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: manc

I agree, someone needs to call for a march on DC for September when congress is in session, lets close the city down. Make them cut spending, make them cut taxes, make them close the border, make them do the people’s will.


78 posted on 07/01/2013 6:33:14 PM PDT by stockpirate (GOP = Good Ol' Progressives)
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To: grania

LOL, so you mean when she supported McCain for the 2010 election.

You need to catch up little friend to the current political situation.

You sure are getting away from you social issues argument.

You support the libertarians and they call for completely open borders and firing the Border Patrol and the INS and accepting homosexual couples and polygamists into the country.


79 posted on 07/01/2013 6:33:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: Finny

What a silly argument, you simply deny what is.

Libertarians are not famous for merely supporting conservatives for their economics, libertarians are a breed apart because they are radical leftists on social issues.

Ignore what they share with conservatives and look at why they are at war against conservatives and why they can’t simply call themselves conservative.

Since today’s topic is homosexuality, tell us where libertarianism is in opposition to this libertarian position.

1.3 Personal Relationships (libertarian)
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.


80 posted on 07/01/2013 6:37:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: Nextrush
Phony conservative rhetoric and attacks on Obama’s failures are not substitutes for conservative policy.

Exactly.

81 posted on 07/01/2013 6:41:49 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: supercat
"Libertarianism" as espoused by its official party is an oxymoron.

Libertarian principle is to refrain from using government except where necessary. Government is the only thign forcing people to accommodate homosexuality. It's the only thing forcing people to accomodate abortion. Libertarian principle in larger government would free local communities to govern themselves as their people see fit. It would free people to reap the consequences, positive and negative, of their choices. Most important, in keeping government out of the picture, it would free Christianity to do what it does best. Government in all its Federal heavy-handedness counteracts the actual pursuit of Christian values.

82 posted on 07/01/2013 6:49:42 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Norm Lenhart
No Norm, we're sick of your lying and stupid behavior. Lying is a habit you've slipped into, it's disgusting and you're a foul creature, plus you're amongst the dumbest posters on FR.

You serve darkness and preen like you're a God, but you're a liar, a dissembler, and a moron.

It's who you are. Deal with it.

83 posted on 07/01/2013 6:54:50 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: ansel12
Ansell, talk about "denying what is."

Do you DENY that Reagan said libertarianism was at the heart of conservatism? If you don't "deny what is," then, PLEASE spare a few words here to square Ronald Reagan's stupidity with your wisdom.

Do you DENY that Thomas Sowell is one of the finest conservative minds in American politics today? If you don't "deny what is," then PLEASE show me WHERE Thomas Sowell falls into the leftist camp. Show me his words (they are plentiful).

"Silly" is a very stupid word for you to be tossing around.

84 posted on 07/01/2013 6:56:30 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

Ronald Reagan was no libertarian.

That is why you pluck that quote out of a 1975 interview that candidate Reagan had with a libertarian publication, first he said something that made Reagan such a smooth and effective politician, he warmed up his libertarian audience with a sympathetic bone, and then he proceeded to tell the libertarians how he was a social conservative and not a libertarian.


85 posted on 07/01/2013 7:02:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: Finny
The Founders knew it and that's the way they wrote the Constitution without outlawing prostitution, sodomy, gambling, etc. They figured the people of the States would govern themselves. The Founders were libertarian enough in principle to leave those very kinds of things OUT of the Constitution.

That is sick, twisted, and perverted, you are claiming that America was founded with an intentional path to gay marriage and homosexuals adopting and serving in the military and all the rest of the leftist satanic agenda listed in post 66.

The people who created America were such right-wing fundamentalist Christians that it never occurred to anyone that your agenda was even humanly possible, much less that it would be discovered in the constitution that they were fighting for and forming this Christian nation upon.

86 posted on 07/01/2013 7:03:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: Finny

The party is a perfect representation of libertarian thought and philosophy.

That is why you wouldn’t answer post 80.

Since today’s topic is homosexuality, tell us where libertarianism is in opposition to this libertarian position.

1.3 Personal Relationships (libertarian)
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.


87 posted on 07/01/2013 7:06:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: Lakeshark
Who said anything about you suggestion that Romney was anyone's first choice? Where did that come from? I never even thought, let alone implied, that you did. Hmmm!

But speaking of suggestions, why don't you suggest what Romney would be doing right now if you had "won"?

88 posted on 07/01/2013 7:07:59 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: bert

I’ve heard of the RSC but have not studied them. I’ve heard talk that RSC has 170 conservative members.

What’s your take on that?

I also know that some Tea Party members from the states who were recently elected have joined.

I also know that conservatives and patriots now control 26 states. It’s looking like we have a pretty good farm team ready to move into the GOP nationally.

What’s your opinion on that?


89 posted on 07/01/2013 7:10:24 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: ansel12
You mean these words?

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals .... The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is. Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. -- Ronald Reagan

- See more at: http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=ronald+reagan+libertarian+quote&d=4656480066865667&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=mjzbu_Ahy61FheecXhTR185bHwM58Bo9#sthash.SDydvWiU.dpuf

Ansell, BE HONEST. Rick Santorum is a "conservative" and not a "libertarian," but where Rick Santorum would -- like a libertarian -- defund and abolisth Planned Parenthood, he would REPLACE IT with all those tax dollars that funded Planned Parenthood, with progras to promote adoption. IS THAT "CONSERVATIVE"??? No, it is what a misnomer of a conservative, to use Reagan's word, would do.

Reagan and I understand what you willfully blind yourself to: that libertarian principle is necessary to make conservatism work.

How about that leftist Thomas Sowell?

92 posted on 07/01/2013 7:22:41 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

Seriously, rather than a growing list of names and personalities covering 40 years and quotes taken out of context and calling Santorum conservative and Sowell as a social leftist, why not answer this most pertinent question.


Since today’s topic is homosexuality, tell us where libertarianism is in opposition to this libertarian position.

1.3 Personal Relationships (libertarian)
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.


94 posted on 07/01/2013 7:27:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: Lakeshark
you think Romney is the same as a Marxist destroyer. That's insane.

Instead of just making the claim, post some evidence to show it, please. What part of the Marxist destroyer path would he be resisting?

95 posted on 07/01/2013 7:27:59 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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