Skip to comments.New 'armor piercing' ammo legislation might outlaw nearly all rifle ammunition
Posted on 07/02/2013 9:22:10 AM PDT by barmag25Edited on 07/02/2013 9:24:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Tucson Gun Rights Examiner Chris Woodard alerted readers Friday to some of the most recently introduced federal gun bills (both anti-rights and pro-rights). In fact, his Constitution Watch blog is a great resource for keeping current on pending federal gun legislation. Today, we will focus on Representative Jackie Speier's (D-CA) H.R. 2566, the "Modernized Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act of 2013."
The text is not yet available, so the look will necessarily be somewhat cursory, but there are some assumptions that are probably safe to make.
For one thing, we can almost certainly assume that by "armor piercing," Rep. Speier means that the ammunition is capable of defeating soft body armor, like that worn by cops on the beat, rather than the much heavier and bulkier rigid body armor worn by combat troops and S.W.A.T. team personnel. To be considered "armor piercing," in other words, the ammunition would need only, at most, to defeat Level IIIa armor (if Speier lowers the standard below that, even more ammunition would be banned). In fact, Speier makes that pretty clear in her press release, which talks about "first responders," rather than soldiers:
I’m not surprised.
Anyone who has an AK74 is now screwed. Russian ammo like Silver Bear and Wolf are steel core and armor piercing. Looks like I will have to re-barrel my AK. I am not happy to hear this.
It looks like a lot of us are about to become outlaws.
Let’s not panic yet! Spier has about as much chance of getting this legislation to go anywhere as Hank Johnson does his anti-Guam is going to Tip Over Bill. With Spier, it’s just a shame that Jim Jones shooters weren’t good enough. She’s the leftover trash.
If this legislation passed you would have to shoot wad cutters out of your AK.
Almost any fully jacketed rifle round will penetrate soft police body armor.
These bastards just wont stop.
Can't we get Putin to fix this?
I believe you are confusing the steel case with a steel core.
Only re-barrel it after you have shot it out by giving back your ammo, one bullet at a time.
Just about any rifle round will go thru soft body armor.
the commies will just define armour as “human skin” and ban all ammo.
next, armour piercing swords.
Another foolishly thought out proposal by a GFW?
The quality of armor and the armor piercing power of different types of ammunition are highly variable and ever changing.
How many police were killed with armor piercing bullets last year I wonder? I would guess zero. They’re prepping their battlefield. They know what’s coming eventually and they’re stacking the deck in their favor ahead of it.
Trying to, anyway.
I’ve already seen this movie. It’s the old KTW “cop killer bullet” crap, resurrected for a new audience. I guess they think Americans have become sufficiently stupidified and brainwashed for it to work.
As a friend once said, “If the government is so worried about a civil disturbance, they are the trying so hard to disturb us?”
Please, go on any ammunition website that sells Wolf WPA Classic and Silver Bear and read the description of the bullet. I am fully aware that almost all ammo in 5.45x39 is steel cased. I’ve only owned the gun for several years and shot several thousands of rounds out of it.
As will 7.62x25 (.30 Tokarev) pistol ammo.
JG Sales has Romanian TTC 33 pistols for $219. Ammo - don't know...
Correct. No body armor less than Class III (with a hard trauma plate) is even rated against rifle fire. Most police wear Class IIIA, which is effective against pistol fire only. Even rifles chambered in pistol calibers can defeat Class IIIA. The only soft armor rated against rifle fire is Class IV which is supposedly effective against 7.62x51 NATO and .30-06. But Class IV is very expensive and uncommon outside of SWAT units.
Correct. Most 5.56 and .223 out there can penetrate level III. However, to make it a point, when there’s ammo out there like XM855 available for purchase by consumers in addition to 5.45x39, rest assured those will be the first targeted by the politicians to be outlawed.
Virtually all rifle rounds will penetrate IIIa armor, steel-core or otherwise.
7.62x25 is awfully hard to find these days. My only source recently dried up. J&G was selling Polish surplus before Christmas, but that is now gone too.
Really not much for them to worry about unless somebody comes up with a Dumb-azz penetrating round.
Next step is to ban all ammo capable of penetrating denim or a t-shirt.
Bingo. What, you think the DH-Stapo is buying billions of rounds of ammo for a long 20 year range session at Bob's Guns and Tackle?
OR A "HOODIE".
Wonder if they’ll eventually legislate to ban supersonic rounds.
It looks like a lot of us are about to become outlaws.
When the law no longer protects you from the corrupt, but protects the corrupt from you - you know your nation is doomed.
not politicians, TYRANTS. more accurate. drives the point home.
Next you know, they’ll even make the M2-AP Garand Food illegal.
even with the armor ribs/bones will be broken by absorbing the force of the round.
Steel cased means the steel is not in the bullet. It is the “case” that holds the bullet, primer and powder.
I’ve shot it as well. The bimetal bullet is lead jacketed with copper.
XM855 isn’t for penetrating soft armor. As already stated, any standard 5.56 round will penetrate IIIa soft armor or lighter. The primary reason the military designed the XM855 is to penetrate an old steel military helmets at 500 meters, since the ball they were using at the time couldn’t do that.
It might as well be already. I haven’t seen a source for that stuff in years.
A lot of Russian ammo is steel core with a copper jacket. Probably because it’s cheaper for them.
M2-AP is Not defined as armor piercing as it is of composite construction. It has a lead nosed core, so it didn’t fit their legal definition. And yes, you can still buy it.
Surplus only, of course.
My whole purpose of pointing out the XM855 was because that will be the first round the politicians will outlaw because of its ballistic characteristics. All you need is someone in the legislature to say that all steel core ammo penetrates all types of armor, and the Libs will institute a moratorium on all sales of it in addition to banning it.
… does wanting [white] phosphorus-tipped steel-cored ammo make me evil?
What? Latest armored vehicle uses Reynolds wrap as armor plating?
I have not seem M2 blacktip offerred for sale (other than singly as a collector’s item) in at least 5 years. Did CMP recently get some in from overseas?
Don’t I know it. Back in the ‘90s when comblock steel core fodder was $.05 a round I got tossed out of a lot of ranges. The range officers would go nuts when they saw the sparks. They frequently assumed that I was shooting explosive ammo.
You couldn't. Level 3A is not rated to stop rifle rounds.
This will never pass anyways so I'm not going to waste anymore Internet on it.
Exactly. They are talking about an end to hunting with anything but a shotgun or .22 rimfire.