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As George Zimmerman Prosecution Implodes, A Media Invested In His Guilt Grows More Shrill
Mediaite ^ | July 2, 2013 | Noah Rothman

Posted on 07/02/2013 1:42:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

“It’s dangerous for America the way were doing this as a trial in the media with the whole nation as jury.” This observation about the trial of George Zimmerman for the murder of Florida teen Trayvon Martin in 2012 by MSNBC host Touré was as true when he made it, in March of last year, as it is today. Too few, it seems, have taken his advice to heart.

Since the Zimmerman trial began, the instant analysis of the nationally televised case – meriting near wall-to-wall coverage on the cable news outlets – has not been favorable to the prosecution. State witness after state witness has had their credibility impugned or introduced reasonable doubt that Zimmerman’s actions may not meet the threshold necessary to convict him for second degree murder. And as the state’s case against Zimmerman grows thinner, the tone of those in the media who have invested a significant portion of the last 16 months in an effort to indict him in the court of public opinion has grown more caustic.

This phenomenon began on June 28 after the prosecution’s star witness and Martin’s friend, Rachel Jeantel, took the stand to testify that she was on the phone with the deceased teen when fatal fight with Zimmerman began.

Her testimony was nothing short of a disaster for the prosecution. She was combative, she was reprimanded for being contemptuous of the proceedings, she admitted to reversing assertions made in deposition, and she introduced the fact that Martin had racially profiled Zimmerman (disclosing that Martin had used the slur “cracker” to describe him).

It was then that the media commentators invested in Zimmerman’s guilt went on the defense. MSNBC contributor Goldie Taylor – one of the first media commentators to don a hooded sweatshirt to protest Martin’s unnecessary murder....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; georgezimmerman; media; msm; msnbc; nancygrace; notguilty; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; racheljeantel; television; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman; zimmermanmedia
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To: Cboldt
Threat or commission of rape is considered a serious harm, and can be met with deadly force.

So how does that differ from being beaten up? Is that not considered "serious harm?"

Not being an attorney, I'll have to take your word on the case law, but I fail to see how someone attacking me solely because he wants to beat me up doesn't in itself constitute "the commission of a forcible felony."

Which you'll note in (1) doesn't have the unlesses attached that (2) does.

101 posted on 07/02/2013 3:27:32 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
-- IOW, if you started the fight, the "duty to retreat" pops back up. --

I agree with that. The law penalizes aggression, and it penalizes escalation.

Adding some remarks - you said that Zimmerman would lose his right to self defense if he started the fight. You seem to be implying that he has a duty to retreat, since he (hypothetically, of course) started the fight. If he can't retreat because Martin has him physically restrained, the law is not going to hold him to discharge the duty to retreat. If you start a fight, and your opponent pins you, and your opponent then escalates by holding a knife to your throat, or smothering your with a plastic bag, etc., you are not held, by the law, to take "death" because you started a fist fight. You can't retreat. You can use deadly force in self defense if you are in fear for your life.

102 posted on 07/02/2013 3:27:40 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Correct.

If you can't retreat, it doesn't apply.

"the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant"

103 posted on 07/02/2013 3:30:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Your very wording here indicates that you have yourself prejudged his innocence.

The evidence couldn't have anything to do with it right Sherm? Watch the trial here get it unfiltered.
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104 posted on 07/02/2013 3:31:52 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The prosecuting attorney has been indicted for falsifying arrest records.

I’d say that should complete the implosion and end this circus court.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-indicted-allegedly-falsifying-arrest-warrant


105 posted on 07/02/2013 3:32:34 PM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And...

http://www.news4jax.com/news/more-complaints-on-jacksonville-medical-examiner-dr-valerie-rao/-/475880/20640256/-/rurvpcz/-/index.html


106 posted on 07/02/2013 3:33:58 PM PDT by griswold3 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: CrappieLuck

Is that the “Citizens Grand Jury” story making the rounds today? LOL!


107 posted on 07/02/2013 3:37:13 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Sherman Logan
-- So how does that differ from being beaten up? Is that not considered "serious harm?" --

The test the jury applies, using their sense of "reasonable," is that in order to use deadly force, a person must reasonably fear serious injury or death. There is no bright line, but a shoving match, slap boxing, maybe even punches to the gut would not meet that threshold.

But, if a victim of a beating is rendered helpless, and the beating goes on, it's likely a jury will find that the person being beating reasonably fears serious injury or death. The test isn't extent of injury, it's "put yourself in that predicament, and consider what downside you would fear occurring."

Here is a case that attempts to clarify when 776.041(1) applies.

Giles v. State, 831 So. 2d 1263 (Fla. 4th DCA 2002)

The instruction is normally given in situations where the accused is charged with at least two criminal acts, the act for which the accused is claiming self-defense and a separate forcible felony. See Marshall v. State, 604 So. 2d 799 (Fla. 1992)(holding that section 776.041 jury instruction was proper on claim of self-defense to charge of felony murder where underlying felonies were burglary and aggravated battery); cf. Perkins, 576 So. 2d 1310 at 1311. Here, by contrast, Giles committed [*1266] only one act, the alleged aggravated battery.

108 posted on 07/02/2013 3:37:21 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sherman Logan
If Zimmerman assaulted Martin, a felony, he cannot later claim self-defense if he is losing a fight he started himself.

When this trial is over you will have exactly Zero proof that Zimmerman started this fight and you know it, so why introduce your feelings here?

109 posted on 07/02/2013 3:39:36 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: GraceG
Given the low information anture of the populace, they may get it....

Bring it on. I'm armed all the time now.

110 posted on 07/02/2013 3:40:45 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Sherman Logan
-- If you can't retreat, it doesn't apply. --

Right, duty to retreat only attaches if it is possible to do so.

And just to keep focus, what prompted me to post at all was this contention of yours.

If Zimmerman assaulted Martin, a felony, he cannot later claim self-defense if he is losing a fight he started himself.
There are so many permutations of scenario that it's difficult if not impossible to probe them all "in a vacuum," without a specific scenario to analyze.

I simply wanted to correct the impression that starting a fight results in losing the right to self defense. Starting a fight makes you a criminal, and you can be charged with that. But depending on how the fight evolves, the person who started it may regain the right to use force in self defense. Being trapped and beaten, and submitting to an assailant who shows no sign of letting up, if it creates a fear of serious injury (a jury will sort it out later), justifies resort to deadly force to save your hide. Your assailant presumably could have let up, and chose not to.

111 posted on 07/02/2013 3:42:42 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sherman Logan; Lakeshark
However, I'm not following the trial evidence very closely. Too busy.

In other words you feel compelled to get on a forum and state opinions pretending to be facts, when in fact you are talking out your white cracker azz.

112 posted on 07/02/2013 3:52:58 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a pretty meaningless gesture in Sanford, because it has a relatively small black population (15,000), they are middle class, and it is a suburban area. Three things that strongly go against rioting.

Importantly, Florida has the second highest number of blacks among US states, but they are spread out over a wide area, with some areas of poverty, but nothing very concentrated.


113 posted on 07/02/2013 3:56:48 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Sherman Logan

When I was 17, I was in basic training.


114 posted on 07/02/2013 3:57:54 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Sherman Logan; Fee
GZ only defense is he followed TM partly, and while returning to his SUV was confronted by an angry TM who turned, followed GZ back to his vehicle.

Are you two on purple drank? Zimmerman is the defendant he is required to prove nothing. I hope neither of you have bar privileges.

Trying to interject into this thread what Zimmerman must prove is a cheap progressive tactic.

115 posted on 07/02/2013 4:01:57 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Sherman Logan
IOW, if you started the fight, the “duty to retreat” pops back up.

I guess the only way Zimmerman could prove that he was in danger of losing his life is, if he had actually lost it. I guess we really do need lawyers, else we could never understand that.

116 posted on 07/02/2013 4:09:14 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: MWFsFreedom
I wish I could have more faith in my sex, but I can't.

I think very much the same. Is the jury predominately female?

117 posted on 07/02/2013 4:13:57 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Sherman Logan
You don't think the media is judging these people?

Don't need to look very far as to why lawyers spend a good bit of time looking for jurors who have not been influenced by the media's portrayal of the defendant.

118 posted on 07/02/2013 4:21:12 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: fwdude

So is GA. We will be Locked and loaded on the night of the verdict.


119 posted on 07/02/2013 4:23:02 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: GraceG

“I think the MSM and the Admin have been spoiling for a nationawide race riot from the start on this....Given the low information anture of the populace, they may get it....”

The 120-lb. purse-carying wimps in the media really, really hope and believe that the 400-lb federal squishes, farting and squatting behind desks, can run onto a battlefield and out maneuver and out shot hunters and combat vets who can hit a target at 500 meters.

This is farce.


120 posted on 07/02/2013 4:29:13 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: Sherman Logan

But he didn’t follow him. He watched him, but he didn’t follow him. There is not a shred of evidence that he did. He calls 911 says there is this guy looking in houses, he drives past Martin and parks his car. Martin walks towards Zimmermans parked car with his hand in his waist which GZ describes to the 911 operator. Trayvon then circles Zimmermans car. To me that was to check if Zimmerman was alone. He then walks away and disappears. Zimmerman gets out of his car TO follow him, starts running in fact, but he lost him. You can’t follow somebody if you don’t know where they are. 911 guy says don’t follow him so he stops running which you again hear on the 911 tape. 911 guy then asks ZImmerman what street he is on, Zimmerman says I do not know. So he goes to check the street sign and that is when Trayvon atacks him.


121 posted on 07/02/2013 4:44:32 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Sherman Logan
if your criticism of the media is that they prejudged him, not that they prejudged him as guilty rather than innocent, then you shouldn't prejudge him yourself if you want to be consistent

There is no contradiction. The media has shown and continues to show not just willful ignorance but malice and journalistic malpractice by ignoring facts which have been known for over a year. They do not have an informed opinion on the case and are not qualified to offer one.

There has been little meaningful information presented so far in the trial that hasn't been known for a year. Anybody who has taken the time to read articles, to use just one example, proving that TM doubled back from the place he was staying to attack GZ is free to "prejudge" him with the same evidence that will eventually be presented to the jury.

122 posted on 07/02/2013 5:13:32 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Use three layers, and some duct tape. All that stuff you listed? Pish. Another day in a decaying republic. You want coincidence? Here’s coincidence:

- “Fruitdale”, a movie about a white cop shooting an unarmed black teenager, opens nationally on July 12. One random reviewer claims the director “maintains it wasn’t meant to be accurate”: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2334649/

- This year’s NAACP convention is being held July 13 through July 17 — in Orlando, FL: http://www.naacp.org/pages/convention

I now extend my arm straight out, drop my keyboard, turn around, and walk away with one bad-ass limp.


123 posted on 07/02/2013 5:23:32 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

So, do the flashmobs assemble beginning July 13 or July 18?


124 posted on 07/02/2013 5:25:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The prosecution does not care if they have a credible case for the over charge of Murder 2. The jury was picked to guarantee a bad outcome in spite of fact and evidence.

The white lady jurors are on the spot. If they say not guilty, the riots begin because it will be said it was unfair that no blacks were on the jury. If they say manslaughter, it will not be good enough and there will still be riots. If they say Murder 2, they will still riot, but GZ will be prime for appeal or an overturn of the verdict.

Trouble is on the horizon. Be ready!


125 posted on 07/02/2013 5:32:03 PM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: mosesdapoet

One of the witnesses last week testified that she saw the smaller guy on the bottom of the fight and figured that must have been TM — until the Defense proved to her and the jury that she had been completely taken in by the year-long photographic propaganda campaign that TM looked like a 12-year-old.


126 posted on 07/02/2013 5:36:42 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: KAESNO2

Anybody who wants a little something for their trouble can also buy his Dad’s e-book for $3.99 at amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/Florida-Zimmerman-Uncovering-Prosecution-ebook/dp/B00DE19P3K/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1372812107&sr=1-1&keywords=florida+zimmerman


127 posted on 07/02/2013 5:42:09 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: MHGinTN; Sherman Logan

An excellent question. It becomes clearer every day that Judge Kangaroo will not grant a dismissal when the Prosecution case is finished, as the rioters would be able to paint her as The Judge Who Let Zimmerman Go.

That means the defense will put on their case, assuming they have any witnesses left. If they offer all the evidence supporting reasonable doubt and self-defense that has been common knowledge in those circles where it would be common knowledge since May or June of last year, it will go far longer as the Prosecution case has — two weeks at a minimum. And if they begin to delve into Parks/Crump malfeasance (witness coaching, how many “DeeDee”s there actually are, suborning perjury, etc.), add at least another week to that.

So you might actually be ok for August. I think the first delay of the trial had not been anticipated by the film’s distributor and the NAACP.

Sherman, I saw your post earlier where you mentioned your location. I’m pinging you to call your attention to my #123 here re astonishingly coincidental random events, FWIW.


128 posted on 07/02/2013 5:57:30 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: cripplecreek
I haven’t forgotten that it was the media who creatively edited the 911 call from Zimmerman to make it appear that his only concern was that Martin was black.

It was also the national media who picked up this story three weeks after it happened! And turned it into a cause celebre by omitting selected portions of the local reporting -- like the eyewitness reports.

Initially, the event didn't create a stir in the local community -- because the local reporting was thorough and established pretty clearly that it was a case of self-defense.

It wasn't until the national media sensationalized and misreported the event three weeks later that the rabble-rousers got to work and inflamed the blacks.

Whose idea was it, I wonder, to ask the national media to revive the story...and misreport it?

129 posted on 07/02/2013 5:59:53 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Slyfox
Who voted the media judge and jury?

They did.

130 posted on 07/02/2013 6:00:49 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: beaversmom

They’re 100% female.


131 posted on 07/02/2013 6:09:17 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: fwdude

Why does the media always preface Martin with the Honorific “teen?”


Because he was a teenager. He was sevenTEEN.


132 posted on 07/02/2013 7:02:26 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

133 posted on 07/02/2013 7:04:37 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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