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Trayvon Martin and Black Manhood On Trial (Relying on Rachel's testimony? Huh?)
The Nation ^ | July 2, 2013 | Mychal Denzel Smith

Posted on 07/02/2013 11:34:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Yesterday, the jury in the George Zimmerman murder trial heard, at length, Zimmerman describe in his own words what happened the night he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. He didn’t take the stand, but the prosecution played for the court three separate audio and video recordings of Zimmerman’s interviews with the police and read aloud his written statement from the night of February 26, 2012. His description of the events were generally consistent with the story he has repeatedly told. But to my mind, the case really comes down to what the jury will believe happened in one specific moment.

Zimmerman says that after the 911 dispatcher told him he did not need to follow Trayvon, he continued walking to find an address so that he could be more specific regarding his whereabouts. Then he got off the phone. It’s during this time that Zimmerman claims that Trayvon came out of either the bushes, or the darkness, and said something to the effect of, “What’s your problem, homie?” to which Zimmerman responded, “I don’t have a problem.” Says Zimmerman, Trayvon replied, “You’ve got a problem now” and proceeded to punch Zimmerman in the face. Zimmerman’s version of the story is contradicted by the state’s key witness, 19-year-old Rachel Jeantel, who took the stand last week. Jeantel, who was one the phone with Trayvon that night for the duration of this event, says Trayvon was attempting to elude Zimmerman, whom he had described as a “creepy ass cracker.” Trayvon, according to Jeantel, believed he had lost Zimmerman, only to then notice that he hadn’t, at which point he told Jeantel, “The nigga is following me.” Jeantel says she then heard Trayvon say, “Why you following me for?” to which Zimmerman replied “What are you doing out here?” She then heard what she described as a bump and wet grass before the call was lost.

Jeantel’s testimony is key because it directly refutes Zimmerman’s version of the event and calls into question who was the aggressor in the resulting tussle. It’s clear that Zimmerman sustained some injuries, while not necessarily consistent with his assertion that Trayvon punched him twenty-five to thirty times and slammed his head on the concrete. It’s likely that a fight took place. But who started it?

On her show Sunday morning, Melissa Harris-Perry asked a question that gets at the heart of why this case is of national importance. Talking with Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman, Harris-Perry said: “It does seem like part of what hinges here is whether or not Trayvon Martin hit George Zimmerman and whether or not he did so first…but why is it that if this person hit someone who was prepared to use lethal force against him…why wouldn’t he have a right to stand his ground? Is that not racialized?” Do black boys get to defend themselves?

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Because it’s clear that, whoever instigated the altercation, Zimmerman followed Trayvon that night. He was instructed not to, but he did anyway. That Zimmerman fumbled for an answer when the lead investigator asked whether he thought Trayvon was afraid of him is emblematic of the way society has trained us to think about black manhood. Of course he didn’t think Trayvon could be scared. Young black men never are. They are the danger. Which is also why, for some, Zimmerman’s story, even with the cartoonish language he ascribes to Trayvon, doesn’t sound far-fetched. A black man jumping from behind the bushes to sucker-punch someone they don’t know and attempt to kill them only a short distance from their home. It makes perfect sense if you believe that black men are preternaturally violent.

The jury will have to decide who they believe in this instance, Jeantel or Zimmerman, and it is this that has me concerned. Brittney Cooper, writing for Salon, captured it succinctly: “…black womanhood, black manhood and urban adolescence are always on trial in the American imaginary.”

Zimmerman’s innocence rests on the notion of Trayvon’s criminality. And in this country, it’s not that difficult to convince six people of the criminality of a 17-year-old black boy.

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Want more from the Zimmerman trial? Read Mychal Denzel Smith’s defense of Rachel Jeantel.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blacks; racheljeantel; trayvon; zimmerman
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1 posted on 07/02/2013 11:34:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ROTFLMAO !!!!

Jeantel was hardly credible and her testimony was part perjury, part summoning and yet another part contempt.

Po gurel ...


2 posted on 07/02/2013 11:37:59 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Zimmerman’s innocence rests on the notion of Trayvon’s criminality. And in this country, it’s not that difficult to convince six people of the criminality of a 17-year-old black boy.

And why might that be, Mychal?

Give it some thought. Consider Trayvon's own behaviorial history. Review his internet postings. See if you can come up with an answer.

3 posted on 07/02/2013 11:42:17 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She then heard what she described as a bump and wet grass before the call was lost.
Don't ax her any more tough questions.

4 posted on 07/02/2013 11:43:25 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't see exactly how Rachel's testimony contradicts Zimmerman in any material way. In fact, going by her testimony, Martin ought to have been safe at his father's apartment. Instead he ends up a football field's length away, directly confronting the evil stalker of whom he was supposedly afraid.

This writer's insinuations to the contrary, young black men are prone to criminality, particularly of the violent kind. And the remainder of the black population provides cover, enablement and support for their criminality. That's a sad, sad state of affairs.

5 posted on 07/02/2013 11:44:21 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The writer wants non-Blacks to disregard the social stereotype of young Black males ? Fine. Then tell young Black males to stop confirming the stereotype.


6 posted on 07/02/2013 11:49:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wonder if he got paid to write this?


7 posted on 07/02/2013 11:53:47 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: onyx

lol!


8 posted on 07/02/2013 11:56:13 PM PDT by South40
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well said.


9 posted on 07/02/2013 11:57:02 PM PDT by South40
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, Mychal, being a punk *ss druggie who couldn't behave in school might have something to do with it.

10 posted on 07/02/2013 11:57:24 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: onyx
You owe me a new keyboard and a glass of wine. ROTFLMAO

You forgot that extra pack of kielbasa between her chin and collarbone, though. *OINK*


11 posted on 07/02/2013 11:58:02 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It makes perfect sense if you believe that black men are preternaturally violent.

Is that a white or a black straw man?

12 posted on 07/03/2013 12:00:51 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Viking2002

LOL. Hope I get to buy you that glass of wine someday soon!


13 posted on 07/03/2013 12:03:51 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx
I'm over in 'Bammy. Let me get the grill gazebo up and running, and we'll invite a few fellow Freepers for a good BBQ.

Damn, and I just started microbrewing. I'm getting a germ of an idea in my bowl of cranial mush. Start a list and let's get serious about it.


14 posted on 07/03/2013 12:08:39 AM PDT by Viking2002
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(from the article): “..“It does seem like part of what hinges here is whether or not Trayvon Martin hit George Zimmerman and whether or not he did so first…but why is it that if this person hit someone who was prepared to use lethal force against him…why wouldn’t he have a right to stand his ground? Is that not racialized?” Do black boys get to defend themselves? “

Did George Zimmerman have brusises on his knuckles ?
Did George Zimmerman have Trayvon Martins DNA under his fingernails ?
Other than a gunshot wound , did Trayvon Martin have any other fresh marks on his body ?
Did George Zimmerman take MMA lessons ?
Did Travon Martin take any MMA lessons ?
Does George Zimmerman have any burglary, or burlary tool, or stolen property arrests ?
Does Trayvon Martin have any burglary, or burglary tool , or stolen property arrests ?
Did George Zimmerman have any toxicology test to determine the use of alcohol or drug usage ?
Did Trayvon Martin have any toxicology test to determine the use of alcohol or drug usage ?
Did George Zimmerman have any legal right to be at that location ?
Did Trayvon Martin have any legal right to be at that location ?

This has nothing to do with ‘Manhood’
This has nothing to do with blacks defending themselves because this is a racialy biased court case, manufactured by the media.
This has nothing to do with blacks defending themselves because this is a politically biased court case, manufactured by the media.
And yes , MMA standards can be used to defend oneself , but only one person used those brutal methods,
and only one person has to live with those eternal scars !!

The media jumped all over this case becasue they thought they had a white Jew killing a black youth growing into his manhood.
They pumped it up, and when shown to be wrong , they couldn’t back down even three wekks after the fact , just like a pack of wolves ,just like Trayvon .
Was George hunting prey ?
Or , was Trayvon hunting prey ?
Who has bruises ? .. and who does not ?


15 posted on 07/03/2013 12:11:06 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Viking2002

Smiling here! Who knew we were neighbors? Sounds fabulous!


16 posted on 07/03/2013 12:11:10 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Vendome

Po gurel ...


LMAO!


17 posted on 07/03/2013 12:17:47 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

they need to discuss trayvon’s body. there are no bruises, justw a gunshot wound. zimmerman’s hands would have been messed up if he pounded on him. likewise trayvon’s hands should show signs of hitting someone and probably blood dna or skin dna of zimmerman on them or under nails.


18 posted on 07/03/2013 12:46:15 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: onyx

I laughed so hard my neighbor though2 I was crying. ..


19 posted on 07/03/2013 12:51:15 AM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author of this piece seems to ignore an important fact-the state’s star witness is a demonstrable liar.


20 posted on 07/03/2013 12:56:07 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: onyx

That’s funny stuff right there. I’m going to use that.


21 posted on 07/03/2013 1:31:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the Nation by a Denzel somebody. I'll pass.
22 posted on 07/03/2013 1:36:20 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BS


23 posted on 07/03/2013 2:04:21 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shows you how twisted the mind of a liberal is.


24 posted on 07/03/2013 2:24:25 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

““The nigga is following me.””

Wait a minute.... I thought he was a “crazy A$$ Cracker”?


25 posted on 07/03/2013 3:03:10 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Because it’s clear that, whoever instigated the altercation, Zimmerman followed Trayvon that night. He was instructed not to, but he did anyway”

If you say a lie often enough, it becomes true?

“We don't need you to do that” is what he said and then several times, asked George questions only answered by following Trayvon.

26 posted on 07/03/2013 3:06:29 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: All

Zimmerman lawyer: “ Now, Rachel, in your own words, tell the court: When you referred to my client as a ‘white a** cracker’ ....did you mean that as a compliment?”


27 posted on 07/03/2013 3:11:46 AM PDT by Liz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A black man sucker punching someone, come on how often does that happen?


28 posted on 07/03/2013 3:14:51 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some people are able to draw conclusions simply not supported by testimony or evidence. They hear only what they want to hear.


29 posted on 07/03/2013 3:25:01 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Secret Agent Man
The wet grass would have eliminated a lot of evidence and I don't think Trayvon's hands were bagged.

The grass appears to be a St. Augustine variety, it is like a sponge.

30 posted on 07/03/2013 3:31:25 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: All

"Dam dose crazy racist a** crackers----how long do it take to
gets a double cheeseburger, two large fries and a diet Big Gulp."

31 posted on 07/03/2013 3:39:20 AM PDT by Liz
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To: onyx
Don't ax her any more tough questions.

And don't be abusive or use cursive {she thinks cursive is calling someone a moff*#####}.

32 posted on 07/03/2013 3:50:45 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s 3:30 AM in CA and I am in fact typing this in my sleep, it’s so easy:

- “dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow Martin”, blah blah, always the same lie

- “if this person hit someone who was prepared to use lethal force against him…why wouldn’t he have a right to stand his ground?” First, “prepared to use lethal force” is another way of describing anybody anywhere who is carrying a gun for any reason. The answer to that self-righteous statement posing as a question is, because he assumed that Zimmerman did NOT have a gun, and would therefore be an easy beat-down, i.e. TM was “someone who was prepared to use lethal force”.

- you have to be either lazy or biased (it is a certainty of course that somebody named “Mychal” writing in “The Nation” is both) at this point not to know that Rachel’s testimony in fact proves that TM doubled back with the express intention of ambushing GZ.

- “Zimmerman fumbled for an answer” because it’s really impossible for GZ to know if some guy he had glimpsed for 20 seconds was afraid of him or not, and whether it was fear or hate or drugs or TM’s known and demonstrated criminal mentality that drove TM to try to murder GZ.

- “cartoonish language he ascribes to Trayvon”? a quick look at TM’s grunts and squawks on Twitter shows how many levels below “cartoonish” TM’s thought processes actually were.

- “criminality of 17 year old black boy”. the very last thing in the world this guy wants to happen in this case is to let the jury to find out how much of a criminal this “boy” actually was. he’s a recruitment poster for white supremacists.


33 posted on 07/03/2013 3:59:02 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Because it’s clear that, whoever instigated the altercation, Zimmerman followed Trayvon that night. He was instructed not to, but he did anyway”

I read, hear this over and over again. Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and when told ‘we don’t need you to do that’ apparently stopped right there. Theres absolutely no evidence anywhere showing he continued to follow.
I have idiots tell me over and over he shouldn’t have followed. But he stopped when asked to. We can’t go to a moment before he was told not to.


34 posted on 07/03/2013 4:12:13 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: kcvl

A chris rock clone... racist and ignorant.

LLS


35 posted on 07/03/2013 4:15:15 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: wiggen

You’re allowed to follow people anyway. GZ was on his phone it’s not like he was going to attack, he was telling the 911 operator where TM was heading and what address TM was near. Look, the black people who are all riled up know damn well that out of shape, older Zimmerman didn’t chase down a 17 year old in shape teen male. They know TM was the stereotypical aggressor who was gonna knock out the cracka for staring at him. TM was to safety, he was close to his dads gf apt. Instead he doubled back and confronted GZ with a punch in the face, and it was done IMO so that Jabba Da Hut illiterate girl who took the stand could get a good ear full of TM giving a beat down. As others stated she probably encouraged it and that’s why she went MIA until tracked down by Crump.


36 posted on 07/03/2013 4:31:02 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: onyx

That is funny! Sad, but funny.


37 posted on 07/03/2013 4:34:05 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The writer has one thing right - black manhood is indeed on trial here. And if Zimmerman is found guilty, the verdict will be in - that young black man like Trayvon are justified in their blind rage and violent reactions toward being questions, reported, monitored, or, god-forbid, followed.

Lost in their hysteria over this trial is the simple fact that it was Trayvon's unjustifiable rage which is - by far - the main factor that lead to his death. In the long run, there was nothing else posing a greater threat - not Florida's gun laws, or the community watch program, or dedicated citizens like Zimmerman. Ultimately, this blind rage would continue to cause Trayvon, and many other young black men like him, to continue to put themselves into dangerous, violent situations. This is why so many Trayvons in our country are either dying at a young age or being incarcerated.

We hear so much about the riots that will ensue if Zimmerman is found not guilty, and even the people who may die as a result. But in reality, I believe it's a guilty verdict that will, in the long run, create more death and despair - and ironically among those who want this result the most. Zimmerman being guilty will be interpreted to mean that not only was Trayvon's rage over being followed justified, but that his decision to essentially wage war against Zimmerman that night was righteous.

A guilty verdict will mean that the blind rage among young black men in our country toward anyone who disapproves of them in any way is not something to be scorned, it is something to be protected, indeed celebrated. And since this continued rage will lead to more violent actions like the one Trayvon likely initiated that night, many will die as a result. The left will have this blood on their hands. They already do.
38 posted on 07/03/2013 4:39:23 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t read fecal matter in The Nation. It will rot your brain.


39 posted on 07/03/2013 4:56:32 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Liz

Very good, except you misspelled ‘crackas’...


40 posted on 07/03/2013 4:56:41 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: USS Alaska

No cursive in the courtroom either, you betcha!
That kinda talk is not allowed.


41 posted on 07/03/2013 5:44:05 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

6 jurist??? not 12?? I must have slept, when did this change???


42 posted on 07/03/2013 6:47:10 AM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: onyx

Now THAT’S funny.


43 posted on 07/03/2013 6:51:49 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

LOL.
Yep. Looks just like her.


44 posted on 07/03/2013 6:58:57 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx

I have never heard “wet grass”, is it a new band?


45 posted on 07/03/2013 7:15:30 AM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: razorback-bert

LOL. I reckon.


46 posted on 07/03/2013 7:16:03 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...Trayvon came out of either the bushes, or the darkness, and said something to the effect of, “What’s your problem, homie?” to which Zimmerman responded, “I don’t have a problem.”

Had Z been looking for trouble, been the "aggressor", his firearm would not have remained holstered as he replied to St. Trayvon, and certainly not when "you have a problem now" was uttered.

47 posted on 07/03/2013 7:20:38 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Black manhood” is not on trial.

Aggressive, violent, thuggery is.


48 posted on 07/03/2013 7:22:30 AM PDT by Vision (Political Correctness is unAmerican)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The author is an idiot:

Because it’s clear that, whoever instigated the altercation, Zimmerman followed Trayvon that night. He was instructed not to, but he did anyway.

This is a lie by exaggeration. Zimmerman was told he "didn't need to" follow, but was not "instructed not to" follow Martin.

That Zimmerman fumbled for an answer when the lead investigator asked whether he thought Trayvon was afraid of him is emblematic of the way society has trained us to think about black manhood.

When Zimmerman was asked to read the mind of Martin, he took the time to think through the situation and come to a conclusion. Zimmerman was asked to identify the mindset of another person - a task for which he would be deemed unable to do in a court of law. But his hesitation - his thoughtfulness - is interpreted by the author to be stereotypically racist.

The rest of the sentence is "emblematic" of a race hustler trying to convince anyone - perhaps even himself - that the hesitation was racially motivated. Apparently the author is a psychic, who can leap to tall stereotypes of his own in a single thought.

49 posted on 07/03/2013 7:31:09 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: Vision
“Black manhood” is not on trial.

Correct. Black manhood is Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Herman Cain, Walter E. Williams and the black middle class working guy down the street who pays his mortgage and taxes and demands that his kids get educated and act civilized.

50 posted on 07/03/2013 7:33:38 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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