Skip to comments.Prosecution Witness: Zimmerman Did Not Press Gun to Martin's Chest
Posted on 07/03/2013 12:09:56 PM PDT by servo1969
On Wednesday at the George Zimmerman trial, the prosecution called yet another witness who ended up testifying for the defense: Florida Department of Law Enforcement firearm analyst Amy Siewert. The prosecution had contended that George Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon Martin and pressed his gun into Martins chest before firing and killing him. Siewert testified, however, that there was no forensic evidence that Zimmerman had pressed the gun to Martins chest. In fact, the gunpowder residue and other material evidence showed that the gun was touched to Martins shirt, and that Martins shirt was not pressed to his chest, implying that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that his shirt was hanging down when Zimmerman shot him.
The state also attempted to maximize the fact that Zimmermans gun was loaded, including a round in the chamber, before the fight. But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.
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Every leo has a round in the chamber ready to go, guess defense must be crapping bricks around them.
” The state also attempted to maximize the fact that Zimmermans gun was loaded, including a round in the chamber, before the fight. But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.”
If the little angle Trayvon was on his back and Zimmerman was on top, where are the grass stains on the little darling’s sweatshirt?
Best trial quote of the day.:>)
Yep. Supports Z’s defense. The sweatshirt was hanging away from the
thug supporting the evidence the thug was on top grounding and pounding
This trial is getting to be a joke. No wonder the initial decision was not to press charges.
Grass in Flotiduh is incapable of making STAINS and NOISE at the same time.
I distinctly recall hearing Jesse Jackass say that Zimmerman hunted him down and shot him in the back while he was running away.
A reverend wouldn’t lie, right?
When I renewed my CHL in 2009, our instructor was a former cop. He stressed to the people who were going to carry semis that they would be useless if they had to first put a round in the chamber. For example, what if the perp had hold of your non-gun hand, etc?
Although I qualified with a semi, I prefer to carry a S&W Airweight revolver. No safety is needed, and gun is always ready to fire.
If you are going to carry an unloaded fire arm you might as well leave it at home. The chances of an attacker giving you a chance to cycle the slide are pretty slim.
That's Retarded, Sir!
It’s becoming more and more evident that the prosecutors are giving the MSM and all of the other “social justice” agitators the big one fingered salute.
You wanted us to prosecute this guy? Well, here TF it is. Now go pound sand.
It is that hollyweird bs thing where every time someone use a semi they rack the slide. Such BS.
**** But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.***
Reminds me of True Grit. Maybe Trayvon had a “li’l ole kingbolt.
Besides, if you press the muzzle of a semi auto against another person you often force the slide out of battery and the firearm will not fire.
I carry everywhere. It’s sad that nobody here in FR land supports carrying unload and empty barrel.
Most of my time is spent on my property. If I see a potential situation I will load and lock in an instant. There is virtually no reason I won’t have advance notice.
Right about the heart.
My carry piece has one in the pipe, hammer down, safety on. Designed to be safe to carry that way, as are a lot of modern firearms.
A 1911 pattern is SUPPOSED to be carry “cocked and locked”.
Not sure what Z was carrying, but yeah... Without a round in the chamber, you are putting yourself at a serious disadvantage in a “OMFGINEEDITRIGHTNOW” situation.
Sounds like you’re as tired of this BS as I am.
I’m inclined to believe that charges were pressed to appease the left and the prosecutor is throwing this trial to ensure justice for GZ.
Very clear, indeed.
Kind of like a mini OJ trial with a lot of future celebrities.
Well put, muh cracka!
I carry quite a bit myself and I usually do not have one “in the pipe”. However, I am also a fairly well trained martial artist ... so if a problem is so close that I would need one “in the pipe” I probably could handle it without the gun. A perps gun within my reach will become my gun in less than a second and sooner than they could pull the trigger
The hammerless airweight (.38 special +P) is what I picked for a winter ‘parka pocket’ pistol. If need be, multiple rounds through the pocket into the perp with very little chance of malfunction. If the perp is that close and the situation that dire, forget drawing the weapon. I can always get a new parka. Mrs. Joe has one for the times she carries a purse—same concept.
I have been thinking the same thing
Judo, karate, Iado. I’ve also dabbled in European sword work. I lift a LOT of weight too...
I still carry with one in the pipe. 15+1 > 15.
Call me lazy.
could you translate that for me?
I think virtually everyone is. Tired of being held hostage over the possibility of hurting someone's little feelings, of accidentally becoming a target because someone feels 'dissed', and tired of certain people getting a pass for breaking the law because of an accident of genetics, regardless of what they do for a living.
Sympathy left the building years ago, and civility is standing by the exit ready to go out the door.
It’s why they were told to charge him 40 days later.
All the blood evidence shows Zimmerman was the one getting beaten up and bruised, with blood in areas he couldn’t have put there himself. IF TM was the one beaten he had no blood around any areas where he’d supposedly be hit, no bruising, just blood from the GSW which would be expected.
This is totally confirming GZ’s story.
As for TM’s fingernails not having GZ dna on them, GZ said he was hittign him mixed martial arts style. MMA hits are knuckle hits, the fingers are pulled back and you’re hitting with knuckles, not fingers. Even if he punched normal fingers are curled under into a fist. Its a non-issue.
I’ve had two cases where I almost had to use my concealed weapon. In both cases I would not have had time to chamber a round before needing it. Both times I was able to take other action to remove myself from the threat.
I carry almost every day but rarely have a round chambered. I will chamber a round if I feel a need.
I feel this forces me to be more aware. It also eliminates any chance of a negligent discharge.
I like to say that I use my arts when I run out of ammo :<). But in reality I teach Jujitsu and Kempo and practice disarms quite a bit. I would much rather “deal” with a gun at arms reach than a knife
Yes. I carry what I believe is sometimes called condition 3, or IDF style. You train to draw the weapon and rack the slide on your belt (heavy pants like jeans also work fine). You can hold off your opponent’s weapon with the other hand. It does have the advantage of minimizing accidental discharge (of course, keep your finger off the trigger while racking the slide!)
I live in a dense urban environment. You may not have much advance notice.This style also has the advantage that if someone does manage to get the gun away from you, you can get out of the way before he pulls (and pulls,,,and pulls) the trigger. People who live in a more rural environment may have more time/// don’t know.
Cross-examining lawyer: You came at him?
Rooster Cogburn: I did.
Cross-examining lawyer: With revolver in hand?
Rooster Cogburn: Yes.
Cross-examining lawyer: Loaded and cocked?
Rooster Cogburn: Well if it ain’t loaded and cocked it don’t shoot.
Like the line from the original “True Grit” when the defense asked if Waynes gun was loaded and cocked he replied to the question as “a gun that’s unloaded and cocked isn’t good for nothing” Or something close to that.
“if you press the muzzle of a semi auto against another person you often force the slide out of battery and the firearm will not fire.”
I have to deduce that Zimmerman will be found guilty. The Prosecution is phoning it in knowing full well the jury is going to find for the state.
I just cannot believe that the prosecution is this inept. Unless they are throwing the case in exchange for Zimmerman not suing and taking control of everyone’s homes, cars and personal belongings the court is going to award him.
But seriously, I am betting that for Christmas, Zimmerman is going to give the Koch brothers CNN.
Y’know, you’re making a real good point. This is how I’m reading it. I’m an attorney, and I’m looking at this and saying, these are mistakes SO big, they aren’t really mistakes. It just isn’t possible. Not even a 1L would be messing up this bad, this consistently. This is not law; this is messaging.
I'd rather just shoot them before they got that close.
Well, I don’t know if clients will be swarming Mr. Knock-knock joke. But the facts are so bad for the prosecution that Zim will likely survive that.
Mark Geragos claimed the prosecutors were throwing the case. I disagree - this is really all the case they have.
I am not so sure it is a question of being inept.
I think it is simply the case they have (not enough to prosecute--nothing to prosecute). The entire show has been about political pressure and more so, media pressure since O'bwanna said that boy could have been his son.
Look for a similar theme in the crucifixion of Paula Deen, after commenting the Moose ate like nothing she'd ever seen.
The MSM gets it's marching orders, and they're off to it.
How do you distinguish between "throwing this trial" and "carrying on a prosecution with no evidence to support the charge"?
It may simply be a situation where they're trying their best but they just don't have the facts on their side. (As the saying goes, you just can't polish a turd.)
You beat me to it by one post.
You have made a very wise decision, IMO.