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Prosecution Witness: Zimmerman Did Not Press Gun to Martin's Chest
breitbart.com/Big-Government ^ | 7-3-2013 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 07/03/2013 12:09:56 PM PDT by servo1969

On Wednesday at the George Zimmerman trial, the prosecution called yet another witness who ended up testifying for the defense: Florida Department of Law Enforcement firearm analyst Amy Siewert. The prosecution had contended that George Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon Martin and pressed his gun into Martin’s chest before firing and killing him. Siewert testified, however, that there was no forensic evidence that Zimmerman had pressed the gun to Martin’s chest. In fact, the gunpowder residue and other material evidence showed that the gun was touched to Martin’s shirt, and that Martin’s shirt was not pressed to his chest, implying that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that his shirt was hanging down when Zimmerman shot him.

The state also attempted to maximize the fact that Zimmerman’s gun was loaded, including a round in the chamber, before the fight. But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.

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1 posted on 07/03/2013 12:09:56 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Every leo has a round in the chamber ready to go, guess defense must be crapping bricks around them.


2 posted on 07/03/2013 12:12:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: servo1969

” The state also attempted to maximize the fact that Zimmerman’s gun was loaded, including a round in the chamber, before the fight. But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.”

LOL!


3 posted on 07/03/2013 12:12:58 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: servo1969

If the little angle Trayvon was on his back and Zimmerman was on top, where are the grass stains on the little darling’s sweatshirt?


4 posted on 07/03/2013 12:14:15 PM PDT by fso301
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To: servo1969
The state also attempted to maximize the fact that Zimmerman’s gun was loaded, including a round in the chamber, before the fight. But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.

Best trial quote of the day.:>)

5 posted on 07/03/2013 12:14:27 PM PDT by Datom (Still runnin' "Against the Wind.")
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To: servo1969

Yep. Supports Z’s defense. The sweatshirt was hanging away from the
thug supporting the evidence the thug was on top grounding and pounding
Z.


6 posted on 07/03/2013 12:14:39 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: servo1969

This trial is getting to be a joke. No wonder the initial decision was not to press charges.


7 posted on 07/03/2013 12:15:38 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: servo1969
I hope Eric Holder's people riot when Zimmerman is acquitted, and I hope a thousand Trayvons decide to play Knockout King on armed citizens.
8 posted on 07/03/2013 12:16:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: fso301

Grass in Flotiduh is incapable of making STAINS and NOISE at the same time.


9 posted on 07/03/2013 12:17:05 PM PDT by corbe (mystified)
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To: servo1969

I distinctly recall hearing Jesse Jackass say that Zimmerman hunted him down and shot him in the back while he was running away.

A reverend wouldn’t lie, right?


10 posted on 07/03/2013 12:18:12 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.

When I renewed my CHL in 2009, our instructor was a former cop. He stressed to the people who were going to carry semis that they would be useless if they had to first put a round in the chamber. For example, what if the perp had hold of your non-gun hand, etc?

Although I qualified with a semi, I prefer to carry a S&W Airweight revolver. No safety is needed, and gun is always ready to fire.

11 posted on 07/03/2013 12:19:11 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.

If you are going to carry an unloaded fire arm you might as well leave it at home. The chances of an attacker giving you a chance to cycle the slide are pretty slim.

12 posted on 07/03/2013 12:20:08 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: servo1969
The state also attempted to maximize the fact that Zimmerman’s gun was loaded, including a round in the chamber, before the fight

That's Retarded, Sir!

13 posted on 07/03/2013 12:22:58 PM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracker)
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To: colorado tanker

It’s becoming more and more evident that the prosecutors are giving the MSM and all of the other “social justice” agitators the big one fingered salute.

You wanted us to prosecute this guy? Well, here TF it is. Now go pound sand.


14 posted on 07/03/2013 12:24:35 PM PDT by technically right
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To: Sans-Culotte

It is that hollyweird bs thing where every time someone use a semi they rack the slide. Such BS.


15 posted on 07/03/2013 12:25:29 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: servo1969

**** But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.***

Reminds me of True Grit. Maybe Trayvon had a “li’l ole kingbolt.

Besides, if you press the muzzle of a semi auto against another person you often force the slide out of battery and the firearm will not fire.


16 posted on 07/03/2013 12:25:33 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Pontiac

I carry everywhere. It’s sad that nobody here in FR land supports carrying unload and empty barrel.

Most of my time is spent on my property. If I see a potential situation I will load and lock in an instant. There is virtually no reason I won’t have advance notice.


17 posted on 07/03/2013 12:26:51 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Pontiac

Exactly.


18 posted on 07/03/2013 12:27:38 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: servo1969

Right about the heart.


19 posted on 07/03/2013 12:27:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Good point.


20 posted on 07/03/2013 12:28:22 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: servo1969

My carry piece has one in the pipe, hammer down, safety on. Designed to be safe to carry that way, as are a lot of modern firearms.

A 1911 pattern is SUPPOSED to be carry “cocked and locked”.

Not sure what Z was carrying, but yeah... Without a round in the chamber, you are putting yourself at a serious disadvantage in a “OMFGINEEDITRIGHTNOW” situation.


21 posted on 07/03/2013 12:29:54 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sounds like you’re as tired of this BS as I am.


22 posted on 07/03/2013 12:31:40 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m inclined to believe that charges were pressed to appease the left and the prosecutor is throwing this trial to ensure justice for GZ.


23 posted on 07/03/2013 12:31:50 PM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: technically right

Very clear, indeed.


24 posted on 07/03/2013 12:32:54 PM PDT by jughandle
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To: colorado tanker

Kind of like a mini OJ trial with a lot of future celebrities.


25 posted on 07/03/2013 12:34:10 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Former member of the GOP useful idiot voter base.)
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To: TexasCajun

Well put, muh cracka!


26 posted on 07/03/2013 12:36:06 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: servo1969
This surely argues in favor of GZ’s story.But get ready for Saint Tayvon’s bio-mom.Get ready for a damn flood of tears...in fact get ready for her to lunge at GZ trying to kill him.And watch for her to swear up and down that it was her jewelry thieving son who was yelling for help.I hope the defense asks her one simple question...”in the last 5 years of his life,did you ever personally witness your son in what can reasonably be described as a potentially life threatening situation?” If she answers “no” he than asks her “then how can you be sure what he,a 6 foot tall young man at the time of his death,might sound like,when heard on a poor quality recording,when he was yelling and screaming for his life?”
27 posted on 07/03/2013 12:39:46 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I carry quite a bit myself and I usually do not have one “in the pipe”. However, I am also a fairly well trained martial artist ... so if a problem is so close that I would need one “in the pipe” I probably could handle it without the gun. A perps gun within my reach will become my gun in less than a second and sooner than they could pull the trigger


28 posted on 07/03/2013 12:39:52 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: Sans-Culotte

The hammerless airweight (.38 special +P) is what I picked for a winter ‘parka pocket’ pistol. If need be, multiple rounds through the pocket into the perp with very little chance of malfunction. If the perp is that close and the situation that dire, forget drawing the weapon. I can always get a new parka. Mrs. Joe has one for the times she carries a purse—same concept.


29 posted on 07/03/2013 12:40:10 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: sonofagun

I have been thinking the same thing


30 posted on 07/03/2013 12:41:52 PM PDT by thejokker
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To: clamper1797

Judo, karate, Iado. I’ve also dabbled in European sword work. I lift a LOT of weight too...

I still carry with one in the pipe. 15+1 > 15.

Call me lazy.


31 posted on 07/03/2013 12:44:20 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

could you translate that for me?


32 posted on 07/03/2013 12:45:07 PM PDT by my right
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To: MrB
Sounds like you’re as tired of this BS as I am.

I think virtually everyone is. Tired of being held hostage over the possibility of hurting someone's little feelings, of accidentally becoming a target because someone feels 'dissed', and tired of certain people getting a pass for breaking the law because of an accident of genetics, regardless of what they do for a living.

Sympathy left the building years ago, and civility is standing by the exit ready to go out the door.

33 posted on 07/03/2013 12:45:28 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: sonofagun

It’s why they were told to charge him 40 days later.

All the blood evidence shows Zimmerman was the one getting beaten up and bruised, with blood in areas he couldn’t have put there himself. IF TM was the one beaten he had no blood around any areas where he’d supposedly be hit, no bruising, just blood from the GSW which would be expected.

This is totally confirming GZ’s story.

As for TM’s fingernails not having GZ dna on them, GZ said he was hittign him mixed martial arts style. MMA hits are knuckle hits, the fingers are pulled back and you’re hitting with knuckles, not fingers. Even if he punched normal fingers are curled under into a fist. Its a non-issue.


34 posted on 07/03/2013 12:46:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: George from New England

I’ve had two cases where I almost had to use my concealed weapon. In both cases I would not have had time to chamber a round before needing it. Both times I was able to take other action to remove myself from the threat.

I carry almost every day but rarely have a round chambered. I will chamber a round if I feel a need.

I feel this forces me to be more aware. It also eliminates any chance of a negligent discharge.


35 posted on 07/03/2013 12:48:04 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I like to say that I use my arts when I run out of ammo :<). But in reality I teach Jujitsu and Kempo and practice disarms quite a bit. I would much rather “deal” with a gun at arms reach than a knife


36 posted on 07/03/2013 12:48:40 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: George from New England

Yes. I carry what I believe is sometimes called condition 3, or IDF style. You train to draw the weapon and rack the slide on your belt (heavy pants like jeans also work fine). You can hold off your opponent’s weapon with the other hand. It does have the advantage of minimizing accidental discharge (of course, keep your finger off the trigger while racking the slide!)
I live in a dense urban environment. You may not have much advance notice.This style also has the advantage that if someone does manage to get the gun away from you, you can get out of the way before he pulls (and pulls,,,and pulls) the trigger. People who live in a more rural environment may have more time/// don’t know.


37 posted on 07/03/2013 12:49:18 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: Dead Corpse

Cross-examining lawyer: You came at him?

Rooster Cogburn: I did.

Cross-examining lawyer: With revolver in hand?

Rooster Cogburn: Yes.

Cross-examining lawyer: Loaded and cocked?

Rooster Cogburn: Well if it ain’t loaded and cocked it don’t shoot.


38 posted on 07/03/2013 12:49:26 PM PDT by technically right
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To: TexasCajun

Like the line from the original “True Grit” when the defense asked if Waynes gun was loaded and cocked he replied to the question as “a gun that’s unloaded and cocked isn’t good for nothing” Or something close to that.


39 posted on 07/03/2013 12:51:08 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“if you press the muzzle of a semi auto against another person you often force the slide out of battery and the firearm will not fire.”

Excellent point


40 posted on 07/03/2013 12:52:06 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I have to deduce that Zimmerman will be found guilty. The Prosecution is phoning it in knowing full well the jury is going to find for the state.

I just cannot believe that the prosecution is this inept. Unless they are throwing the case in exchange for Zimmerman not suing and taking control of everyone’s homes, cars and personal belongings the court is going to award him.

But seriously, I am betting that for Christmas, Zimmerman is going to give the Koch brothers CNN.


41 posted on 07/03/2013 12:53:04 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: technically right

Y’know, you’re making a real good point. This is how I’m reading it. I’m an attorney, and I’m looking at this and saying, these are mistakes SO big, they aren’t really mistakes. It just isn’t possible. Not even a 1L would be messing up this bad, this consistently. This is not law; this is messaging.


42 posted on 07/03/2013 12:57:36 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: clamper1797
I would much rather “deal” with a gun at arms reach than a knife.

I'd rather just shoot them before they got that close.

43 posted on 07/03/2013 12:58:10 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Well, I don’t know if clients will be swarming Mr. Knock-knock joke. But the facts are so bad for the prosecution that Zim will likely survive that.


44 posted on 07/03/2013 12:58:59 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: technically right

Mark Geragos claimed the prosecutors were throwing the case. I disagree - this is really all the case they have.


45 posted on 07/03/2013 1:00:02 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I just cannot believe that the prosecution is this inept.

I am not so sure it is a question of being inept.

I think it is simply the case they have (not enough to prosecute--nothing to prosecute). The entire show has been about political pressure and more so, media pressure since O'bwanna said that boy could have been his son.

Look for a similar theme in the crucifixion of Paula Deen, after commenting the Moose ate like nothing she'd ever seen.

The MSM gets it's marching orders, and they're off to it.

46 posted on 07/03/2013 1:01:01 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: sonofagun
I’m inclined to believe that charges were pressed to appease the left and the prosecutor is throwing this trial to ensure justice for GZ.

How do you distinguish between "throwing this trial" and "carrying on a prosecution with no evidence to support the charge"?

It may simply be a situation where they're trying their best but they just don't have the facts on their side. (As the saying goes, you just can't polish a turd.)

47 posted on 07/03/2013 1:01:49 PM PDT by Bob
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To: technically right

You beat me to it by one post.


48 posted on 07/03/2013 1:02:31 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: Sans-Culotte

You have made a very wise decision, IMO.


49 posted on 07/03/2013 1:06:40 PM PDT by jstaff
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To: Secret Agent Man

huh?


50 posted on 07/03/2013 1:06:40 PM PDT by snarkytart
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