Skip to comments.Prosecution Witness: Zimmerman Did Not Press Gun to Martin's Chest
Posted on 07/03/2013 12:09:56 PM PDT by servo1969
On Wednesday at the George Zimmerman trial, the prosecution called yet another witness who ended up testifying for the defense: Florida Department of Law Enforcement firearm analyst Amy Siewert. The prosecution had contended that George Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon Martin and pressed his gun into Martins chest before firing and killing him. Siewert testified, however, that there was no forensic evidence that Zimmerman had pressed the gun to Martins chest. In fact, the gunpowder residue and other material evidence showed that the gun was touched to Martins shirt, and that Martins shirt was not pressed to his chest, implying that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that his shirt was hanging down when Zimmerman shot him.
The state also attempted to maximize the fact that Zimmermans gun was loaded, including a round in the chamber, before the fight. But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.
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A tagline waiting to be adopted, I'd say.
I hope they go away embarrassed, and then get mad at the people they gradually realize played them.
People I know in Tampa have armed themselves and prepared for this. People who NEVER would have owned a gun. I do believe the lesson of the Korean Shopkeepers will be repeated before arson and looting.
But I would far prefer this to just fizzle out.
As an added bonus, a big nothing would embarass the media further.
You might consider lightening up, Francis
I would prefer a fizzle too, but if there must be blood, let it be the blood of rioting thugs.
Perhaps you could leave it at the house, if warning time allows, in a locked box, under a pile of bricks.
Do as you wish, but if I’m carrying on my person, I have a round in the chamber.
The last time I had a gun pulled on me, the perp was 10’ away. That doesn’t provide the ability for even Chuck Norris to grab the gun before it fires, nor is there time to rack one in (assuming no jam).
I don’t always carry, but when I do, there’s one in the pipe.
I bought it for my wife, but she does not like the extra kick that this lightweight gun produces. She prefers our heavier old-style S&W with a hammer because it's a steadier firing platform.
But it looks and sounds so dramatic! I always have a round up and a full mag.
Cracker Jacks, not just snack.
Yeah stickem up!
Yeah stickem up!
However in an urban area where you could be in a life or death situation in a few seconds a loaded gun or an unload gun can mean life or death.
In Zimmermans case I dont see him being alive if he had not had his pistol loaded ready to fire.
LOL! I’m stealing that! Boy, is my husband going to get tired of hearing that tonight!
Actually the disarm distance is average 26 feet ... if you are ready and the gun is holstered. Gotta be aware of your surroundings at all times
They were trying to make a big deal about GZ having a round ready to go in his gun, like to go to his intent. I was just saying if that is a big deal then every leo must scare them to death because every leo (law enfor. officer) has a round in their handgun ready to go. It is extremely common and logical that if you carry, leo or ccw, you have a round in the chamber and that it is not an indication of aggressiveness or ill will. If it was every leo could be said to have ill will or aggressiveness because they carry pistols with rounds in the chamber. Plus you are also broad brush painting every ccw that carries as aggressive and having ill intent because they carry with a round in the chamber. It’s not extremist behavior.
The gun is worthless if you don’t have a round chambered. Whether you’re a cop or a ccw person. You may not get a chance to chamber one, that’s why you have one in the pipe.
The prosecution really should take a few minutes with these witnesses before they testify to make sure everyone’s on the same page. Just sayin’
I thought this from the very start, when the prosecution went out of their way to make the case personal to them. "We want justice for Trayvon..", and in general, doing and saying things that just didn't ring as very professional... So they act like they are fully invested, and yet they throw the trial...
The PF-9 is a semi-automatic, locked breech pistol, chambered for the 9mm Luger cartridge. It has been developed from our highly successful P-11 and P-3AT pistols with maximum concealability in mind. The PF-9 has a single stack magazine holding 7 rounds. It is one of the lightest and flattest 9 mm ever made. Firing mechanism is Double-Action Only with an automatic hammer block safety. (emphasis added)
Messaging like the OJ Trial where most whites saw a clear, obvious conviction coming. They were incorrect.
Why? Do you think it is more safe? I doubt you can get any modern double action semi automatic weapon to discharge unless you pull the trigger, that is why most do not have any safety at all.
There are some double, single action weapons that can accidentally be fired, but not without pulling the trigger, just much easier to pull.
Single action semi autos are normally carried in the cocked and locked position, some prefer to carry with the hammer down and a round in the pipe requiring the shooter to manually cock the hammer back, old west style.
I have a Kel Tech 9mm like the one Zimmerman carried, I also have others that are different some with a mechanical safety that must be flipped. I have a Sig 380 that is a double, single so I can see how those could be accidentally fired because the trigger pull is so much easier and much shorter pull distance. All the double action pistols require nearly an inch of pull to fire, impossible to get them to fire by accident.
Police do not have safeties on their 9mm weapons and they carry one in the pipe ready to fire.
” S&W Airweight revolver.”
That’s one of my favorite self-defense weapons and one I heartily recommend to others. Recently, though I also bought a Glock 19: it has no safety and the trigger pull requires almost as much force as a revolver, relying on that for safety purposes as does a revolver. I keep it with one in the pipe next to my bed.
I never said the message was correct. It’s possible the prosecution is trying to throw the case, but also possible the jury will cave to the race baiters.
I live on 200 acres policed by six dogs including a Doberman and Rottweiler/Doberman mix.
I have guns convenient to me at several locations and in my vehicles including a ATV/UTV.
I do not have a round chambered in any of the guns and I can not conceive a situation where I would not have time to rack one in other than a complete surprise attract...
I might also add I have a rather significant scar on my leg inflicted by a mishandled .44 magnum (my fault) so I prefer the unloaded chambers...
I conceal carry a Colt 1911 officers model and if I am in questionable situations, it will have a chambered round...
And where are Saint Skittles' pants? The ones with mud and grass stains on the knees?
I’m a criminal defense attorney with scores of trials under my belt. In my considered opinion, Mark O’Meara did an absolutely bang-up job on cross of People’s witnesses. He’s really, really good.
Another excellent example for the need for a “throw down!”
I can't. However, I prefer to think the prosecution is smart enough not to do the latter.
If they had'nt charged Z, there'd have been riots from Miami to Chicago the way the professional agitators were pushing this.
You were way ahead of me. My gears didn’t start turning trying to make sense of this until the first prosecution witness was put on the stand. After a day or two, it dawned on me the prosecution doesn’t want to win this and set this kind of precedent.
I do forensic consulting and have made a number of trial appearances over the years—Absolutely cannot believe how unprepared/hapless the Prosecution appears.
In Jesse's case, one could say he lies like wet grass.
They’ve got very little to nothing to work with. Smart or not, if you don’t have the evidence, you just don’t have it. Most of their witnesses have been more helpful to the defense than to the prosecution’s case.
Agreed. It’s so weak, in fact, that if I were defending the case I’d move after the People rest for the judge to dismiss the case because no reasonable jury could convict.
The only true “Cracka” is a Creepy A$$ Cracka.
All the others are just Cracka wannabes.
The Lawyers on Greta's show couldn't believe the Prosecutor didn't jump up and Object.
26 feet huh? I'm a middle aged man and you won't make it if I'm that guy. I'm sure you are a super ninja and everything, but you might want to reconsider your abilities before testing them out against real bullets.
If you are an Olympic sprinter out of the blocks, 26 ft is going to take more than a second to cover. A flat footed start would likely take the same Olympian 2 seconds. In the situation I described, facing a ready firearm, that equates to four well aimed shots.
The prosecution is expressing terror at the notion that, outside immediate life-threatening need, one would carry a handgun both loaded and chambered.
Cops (and most anyone competent in armed self defense) carry handguns loaded and chambered.
Poster is suggesting, as a logical consequence, the prosecution should be terrorized any time around cops.
If it was easy to be a Creepy A$$ Cracka everybody would be doing it!
I think the prosecution’s witnesses have it all wrapped up for GZ in a sane world. Too bad we don’t live in a sane world.
I suggest you google the Tueller drill
Perhaps Jim should rename FR, Creepy A$$ Cracka Republic.
Although we’re not “all” Creepy, we admittedly do have a few A$$’s around here and despite the Liberal Mantra, we aren’t all Crackas either, so I guess it wouldn’t be an entirely apt description after all.
We are an eclectic group, that’s for darn sure. LOL
When the defense begins they should just say "We would like to thank the prosecution for making our case. Our client is innocent. He acted entirely in self-defense. Thank you, the defense rests."
Eclectic Ass Cracka Republic! Actual Crackaness not required. ;^)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEf9Gm8R5GY ... this guy a non-martial artist in his sixties at 21 feet. I suggest you research before talking our your ass