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Prosecution Witness: Zimmerman Did Not Press Gun to Martin's Chest
breitbart.com/Big-Government ^ | 7-3-2013 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 07/03/2013 12:09:56 PM PDT by servo1969

On Wednesday at the George Zimmerman trial, the prosecution called yet another witness who ended up testifying for the defense: Florida Department of Law Enforcement firearm analyst Amy Siewert. The prosecution had contended that George Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon Martin and pressed his gun into Martin’s chest before firing and killing him. Siewert testified, however, that there was no forensic evidence that Zimmerman had pressed the gun to Martin’s chest. In fact, the gunpowder residue and other material evidence showed that the gun was touched to Martin’s shirt, and that Martin’s shirt was not pressed to his chest, implying that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that his shirt was hanging down when Zimmerman shot him.

The state also attempted to maximize the fact that Zimmerman’s gun was loaded, including a round in the chamber, before the fight. But Siewert admitted that guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.

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To: Datom
. . . guns are not of much use unless they are loaded and there is a round in the chamber.

A tagline waiting to be adopted, I'd say.

51 posted on 07/03/2013 1:07:17 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I hope they go away embarrassed, and then get mad at the people they gradually realize played them.

People I know in Tampa have armed themselves and prepared for this. People who NEVER would have owned a gun. I do believe the lesson of the Korean Shopkeepers will be repeated before arson and looting.

But I would far prefer this to just fizzle out.

As an added bonus, a big nothing would embarass the media further.


52 posted on 07/03/2013 1:16:51 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: clamper1797

You might consider lightening up, Francis


53 posted on 07/03/2013 1:16:57 PM PDT by headless_thompson_gunner
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To: MrEdd

I would prefer a fizzle too, but if there must be blood, let it be the blood of rioting thugs.


54 posted on 07/03/2013 1:20:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: George from New England

Perhaps you could leave it at the house, if warning time allows, in a locked box, under a pile of bricks.

Do as you wish, but if I’m carrying on my person, I have a round in the chamber.


55 posted on 07/03/2013 1:27:48 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: clamper1797

The last time I had a gun pulled on me, the perp was 10’ away. That doesn’t provide the ability for even Chuck Norris to grab the gun before it fires, nor is there time to rack one in (assuming no jam).

I don’t always carry, but when I do, there’s one in the pipe.


56 posted on 07/03/2013 1:31:37 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; jstaff
Yes, the hammerless one for me, too. I have one of those pocket holsters that has a sort of velveteen nap that sticks to the inside of my pocket whilst letting the gun slide out with ease. As long as my front pocket is big enough, the handle does not show and the gun does not print. People can tell I've got something in the pocket, but it looks no different than my other front pocket which houses wallet and keys. If things look dicey, I can have my hands in my pockets and be ready to draw immediately. I have only once drawn the gun, and that was to shoot a pit-bull that attacked my Corgi on a walk one evening.

I bought it for my wife, but she does not like the extra kick that this lightweight gun produces. She prefers our heavier old-style S&W with a hammer because it's a steadier firing platform.

57 posted on 07/03/2013 1:32:27 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Resolute Conservative
It is that hollyweird bs thing where every time someone use a semi they rack the slide

But it looks and sounds so dramatic! I always have a round up and a full mag.

58 posted on 07/03/2013 1:33:43 PM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: TexasCajun

Cracker Jacks, not just snack.


59 posted on 07/03/2013 1:40:31 PM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: servo1969

Bttt


60 posted on 07/03/2013 1:40:39 PM PDT by digger48
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To: George from New England

Yeah stickem up!


61 posted on 07/03/2013 1:46:40 PM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: George from New England

Yeah stickem up!


62 posted on 07/03/2013 1:48:45 PM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: George from New England
If you are on your own property and you have a few acres I can see where there would be minimal chance of some one sneaking up on you. No problem going safe carry.

However in an urban area where you could be in a life or death situation in a few seconds a loaded gun or an unload gun can mean life or death.

In Zimmerman’s case I don’t see him being alive if he had not had his pistol loaded ready to fire.

63 posted on 07/03/2013 1:58:21 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: TigersEye

LOL! I’m stealing that! Boy, is my husband going to get tired of hearing that tonight!


64 posted on 07/03/2013 2:04:45 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: headless_thompson_gunner

?????


65 posted on 07/03/2013 2:20:17 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: SampleMan

Actually the disarm distance is average 26 feet ... if you are ready and the gun is holstered. Gotta be aware of your surroundings at all times


66 posted on 07/03/2013 2:22:18 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: Secret Agent Man

They were trying to make a big deal about GZ having a round ready to go in his gun, like to go to his intent. I was just saying if that is a big deal then every leo must scare them to death because every leo (law enfor. officer) has a round in their handgun ready to go. It is extremely common and logical that if you carry, leo or ccw, you have a round in the chamber and that it is not an indication of aggressiveness or ill will. If it was every leo could be said to have ill will or aggressiveness because they carry pistols with rounds in the chamber. Plus you are also broad brush painting every ccw that carries as aggressive and having ill intent because they carry with a round in the chamber. It’s not extremist behavior.

The gun is worthless if you don’t have a round chambered. Whether you’re a cop or a ccw person. You may not get a chance to chamber one, that’s why you have one in the pipe.

Now deciphered.


67 posted on 07/03/2013 2:31:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: servo1969

The prosecution really should take a few minutes with these witnesses before they testify to make sure everyone’s on the same page. Just sayin’


68 posted on 07/03/2013 2:33:00 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: sonofagun
I’m inclined to believe that charges were pressed to appease the left and the prosecutor is throwing this trial to ensure justice for GZ.

I thought this from the very start, when the prosecution went out of their way to make the case personal to them. "We want justice for Trayvon..", and in general, doing and saying things that just didn't ring as very professional... So they act like they are fully invested, and yet they throw the trial...

69 posted on 07/03/2013 2:40:28 PM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: servo1969
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pf-9/

The PF-9 is a semi-automatic, locked breech pistol, chambered for the 9mm Luger cartridge. It has been developed from our highly successful P-11 and P-3AT pistols with maximum concealability in mind. The PF-9 has a single stack magazine holding 7 rounds. It is one of the lightest and flattest 9 mm ever made. Firing mechanism is Double-Action Only with an automatic hammer block safety. (emphasis added)

70 posted on 07/03/2013 2:41:39 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Messaging like the OJ Trial where most whites saw a clear, obvious conviction coming. They were incorrect.


71 posted on 07/03/2013 2:51:57 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: George from New England
I carry everywhere. It’s sad that nobody here in FR land supports carrying unload and empty barrel.

Why? Do you think it is more safe? I doubt you can get any modern double action semi automatic weapon to discharge unless you pull the trigger, that is why most do not have any safety at all.

There are some double, single action weapons that can accidentally be fired, but not without pulling the trigger, just much easier to pull.

Single action semi autos are normally carried in the cocked and locked position, some prefer to carry with the hammer down and a round in the pipe requiring the shooter to manually cock the hammer back, old west style.

I have a Kel Tech 9mm like the one Zimmerman carried, I also have others that are different some with a mechanical safety that must be flipped. I have a Sig 380 that is a double, single so I can see how those could be accidentally fired because the trigger pull is so much easier and much shorter pull distance. All the double action pistols require nearly an inch of pull to fire, impossible to get them to fire by accident.

Police do not have safeties on their 9mm weapons and they carry one in the pipe ready to fire.

72 posted on 07/03/2013 3:09:38 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

” S&W Airweight revolver.”

That’s one of my favorite self-defense weapons and one I heartily recommend to others. Recently, though I also bought a Glock 19: it has no safety and the trigger pull requires almost as much force as a revolver, relying on that for safety purposes as does a revolver. I keep it with one in the pipe next to my bed.


73 posted on 07/03/2013 3:10:17 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

I never said the message was correct. It’s possible the prosecution is trying to throw the case, but also possible the jury will cave to the race baiters.


74 posted on 07/03/2013 3:11:28 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: George from New England

I live on 200 acres policed by six dogs including a Doberman and Rottweiler/Doberman mix.

I have guns convenient to me at several locations and in my vehicles including a ATV/UTV.

I do not have a round chambered in any of the guns and I can not conceive a situation where I would not have time to rack one in other than a complete surprise attract...

I might also add I have a rather significant scar on my leg inflicted by a mishandled .44 magnum (my fault) so I prefer the unloaded chambers...

I conceal carry a Colt 1911 officers model and if I am in questionable situations, it will have a chambered round...


75 posted on 07/03/2013 3:48:26 PM PDT by CenTex (November 6, 2012... A day that will live in infamy!!!)
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To: fso301
If the little angle Trayvon was on his back and Zimmerman was on top, where are the grass stains on the little darling’s sweatshirt?

And where are Saint Skittles' pants? The ones with mud and grass stains on the knees?

76 posted on 07/03/2013 3:52:48 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Arm_Bears

I’m a criminal defense attorney with scores of trials under my belt. In my considered opinion, Mark O’Meara did an absolutely bang-up job on cross of People’s witnesses. He’s really, really good.


77 posted on 07/03/2013 4:11:10 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Secret Agent Man

Another excellent example for the need for a “throw down!”


78 posted on 07/03/2013 4:26:16 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: Bob
How do you distinguish between "throwing this trial" and "carrying on a prosecution with no evidence to support the charge"?

I can't. However, I prefer to think the prosecution is smart enough not to do the latter.

If they had'nt charged Z, there'd have been riots from Miami to Chicago the way the professional agitators were pushing this.

79 posted on 07/03/2013 4:56:32 PM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Paradox

You were way ahead of me. My gears didn’t start turning trying to make sense of this until the first prosecution witness was put on the stand. After a day or two, it dawned on me the prosecution doesn’t want to win this and set this kind of precedent.


80 posted on 07/03/2013 4:59:12 PM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

I do forensic consulting and have made a number of trial appearances over the years—Absolutely cannot believe how unprepared/hapless the Prosecution appears.


81 posted on 07/03/2013 5:03:36 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: chris37
A reverend wouldn’t lie, right?

In Jesse's case, one could say he lies like wet grass.

82 posted on 07/03/2013 5:06:49 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: sonofagun

They’ve got very little to nothing to work with. Smart or not, if you don’t have the evidence, you just don’t have it. Most of their witnesses have been more helpful to the defense than to the prosecution’s case.


83 posted on 07/03/2013 5:18:01 PM PDT by Bob
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To: COBOL2Java

84 posted on 07/03/2013 5:34:40 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: servo1969

85 posted on 07/03/2013 5:37:33 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Arm_Bears

Agreed. It’s so weak, in fact, that if I were defending the case I’d move after the People rest for the judge to dismiss the case because no reasonable jury could convict.


86 posted on 07/03/2013 5:52:42 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: TigersEye

The only true “Cracka” is a Creepy A$$ Cracka.

All the others are just Cracka wannabes.


87 posted on 07/03/2013 5:54:29 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: Gluteus Maximus
I loved when he held his hand up with his fingers as wide as possible showing the distance between Trayvon’s chest and his shirt.

The Lawyers on Greta's show couldn't believe the Prosecutor didn't jump up and Object.

88 posted on 07/03/2013 6:02:36 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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sfl


89 posted on 07/03/2013 6:20:46 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: clamper1797
Actually the disarm distance is average 26 feet ... if you are ready and the gun is holstered. Gotta be aware of your surroundings at all times

26 feet huh? I'm a middle aged man and you won't make it if I'm that guy. I'm sure you are a super ninja and everything, but you might want to reconsider your abilities before testing them out against real bullets.

If you are an Olympic sprinter out of the blocks, 26 ft is going to take more than a second to cover. A flat footed start would likely take the same Olympian 2 seconds. In the situation I described, facing a ready firearm, that equates to four well aimed shots.

90 posted on 07/03/2013 6:26:54 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: my right

The prosecution is expressing terror at the notion that, outside immediate life-threatening need, one would carry a handgun both loaded and chambered.
Cops (and most anyone competent in armed self defense) carry handguns loaded and chambered.
Poster is suggesting, as a logical consequence, the prosecution should be terrorized any time around cops.


91 posted on 07/03/2013 6:38:46 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: mrsmel
LOL I can just imagine that harassment.
Right up until lights out ... and maybe after. That's a hoot!
92 posted on 07/03/2013 9:20:46 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

If it was easy to be a Creepy A$$ Cracka everybody would be doing it!


93 posted on 07/03/2013 9:28:41 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TigersEye

I think the prosecution’s witnesses have it all wrapped up for GZ in a sane world. Too bad we don’t live in a sane world.


94 posted on 07/03/2013 9:33:07 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SampleMan

I suggest you google the Tueller drill


95 posted on 07/03/2013 9:33:09 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: TigersEye

Perhaps Jim should rename FR, Creepy A$$ Cracka Republic.

Although we’re not “all” Creepy, we admittedly do have a few A$$’s around here and despite the Liberal Mantra, we aren’t all Crackas either, so I guess it wouldn’t be an entirely apt description after all.

We are an eclectic group, that’s for darn sure. LOL


96 posted on 07/03/2013 9:37:52 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: GeronL
I'm prayin' that six jurors do!

When the defense begins they should just say "We would like to thank the prosecution for making our case. Our client is innocent. He acted entirely in self-defense. Thank you, the defense rests."

97 posted on 07/03/2013 9:38:55 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Eclectic Ass Cracka Republic! Actual Crackaness not required. ;^)


98 posted on 07/03/2013 9:40:23 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TigersEye

bump!


99 posted on 07/03/2013 9:41:41 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SampleMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEf9Gm8R5GY ... this guy a non-martial artist in his sixties at 21 feet. I suggest you research before talking our your ass


100 posted on 07/03/2013 9:46:04 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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