Skip to comments.Rumblings of 'lynchings' over Trayvon verdict
Posted on 07/05/2013 1:34:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
More than a year ago, noted Republican commentator Pat Buchanan warned that the outcome of the Trayvon Martin case, in which neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman is on trial for murder, could provoke rioting.
The public mind has been so poisoned that an acquittal of George Zimmerman could ignite a reaction similar to that, 20 years ago, when the Simi Valley jury acquitted the LAPD cops in the Rodney King beating case, he warned.
It seems he may have been right.
WND reported earlier in the week that police in Sanford, Fla., where the trial is being held, already were going door-to-door, apparently trying to prevent any violent reaction to the jury verdict when it is reached.
But a number of bloggers and watchers say there are not-so-subtle rumblings of violence developing.
On the Mr. Conservative blog, Twitter threats were reproduced in abundance.
If Zimmerman dont go to jail ill kill him for $20, said one.
Gimme me tha pistol ill kill Zimmerman myself, said another.
If George Zimmerman win Im gonna kill a fat white boy dat look lik George Zimmerman I swear, said a third.
This is despicable and seriously frightening, wrote blogger Kristin Tate. There is no way this would be tolerated if the threats from whites were against a black man.
Zimmerman is on trial for the shooting death of Martin, a teen he said attacked him and pinned him to the ground, delivering blows to his head. Zimmerman said he pulled his weapon and fired at Martin, killing him, in self-defense.
The blog reported thousands were threatening to riot should Zimmerman not be determined guilty by a jury....
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Good one George!
It's important to remember that the vast majority of Blacks will accept a Zimmerman acquittal peacefully, and many will also see the tragic facts for what they were.
Rioters and looters will never represent any significant percentage of the black community at large, and many blacks will suffer extensive property damage, injury and/or loss of life as a result of any turmoil.
Consequently, I hope that the black community will do some soul searching and ultimately look to new, more forward-thinking leadership. They have been ill-served by most of their leaders in recent years and months.
Race-baiting on either side is shameful. Thus, I hope that your strident language is not directed in an overly broad manner to the black community as a whole, because that would only fan the flames of racial division. Decent black folks don't like to be lumped in with racist thugs, any more that whites do...
Just don’t write “soul brother” in cursive. ;)
Gimme me tha pistol ill kill Zimmerman myself, said another.
If George Zimmerman win Im gonna kill a fat white boy dat look lik George Zimmerman I swear, said a third.
Too bad the FBI is so stupid and corrupt that they won't bother checking these guys out. The FBI would be on this like white on rice if those same phrases came from conservatives. The FBI and IRS are two peas in a pod... They haven't interviewed ONE Tea Party yet about the IRS stuff... you know why? I do.
The FBI has bigger fish to fry, like Muslim outreach and phone tapping the media.
Agreed. As I said, not all of it is just talk.
It’s not that I don’t think there are people who would not do it (kill him or foment riots), it’s that I think that alot of people with no intention of ‘doing anything’ are using Twitter threats and sword rattling as a force multiplier - yes there are cretins who would or will riot but for every one of them there are many more who will threaten but never get off the couch.
I think many of the bluffers do it to intimidate the legal system into doing what they want (e.g., charging a man with murder whom they would otherwise not charge for lack of evidence; intimidating a juror into finding him guilty because they don’t want to feel “responsible” for riots etc.) and to cow whites into hesitating before defending themselves (e.g., knock out game - knock whitey out but dare whitey defend himself and at what cost?)
Won’t Zim have to leave the country? Those whom they target with high profile cases, death threats, riot threats stand out in our minds as abused - who wants to be their next target? So I see alot of lazy poseurs sitting on the couch, out doing each other with dire threats to elevate their status (e.g., I’m fighting the oppressors!)....along with a smaller core genuinely violent people who will riot to kill and maim. I think Sharpton and other race baiters are always working hard to recruit more couch potatoes and shift those already on the couch into the streets to join those whom always intended to riot anyway. Now if you wouldn’t mind putting on this tinfoil hat for the next part....I think there are those who want a major conflagration and though not against Zim, wouldn’t mind killing him to provoke whites into rioting. (removes tinfoil hat)
Bet it’s harder to recruit Neighborhood Watch volunteers for fear of a ‘misunderstanding’. Less neighborhood watch would be desired by some.
And the media will quickly forget who started the violent incident. It will appear to the masses that a bunch of rednecks are on a racial hunt, when that could be farther than from the truth.
At this point, I really do not care. Bring it.
PS: From the perspective of one who believes alot of the twitter threats are intended to establish psychological dominance - I sometimes think it’s unwise for OPs to react to them with concern - it doesn’t do any good, no one cares (in the gov) what happens to us and it emboldens the couch potatoes to apply more verbal threats. What would happen if their threats got no response? I don’t think it would stroke their ego as much - they may riot anyway but not because people didn’t write articles saying “Oh No! Listen to what they are going to DO to us if we resist!”
Got to be alert for the ‘Hispanics’ rioting if Z is convicted.
At least the “White’ Hispanics.
But the riots will have to be spread out as ‘they’ will not miss work just for the chance to riot, which means riots will more than likely be in the evening.
Best time to lay a ‘riot’ on Blacks is before 11AM as you will probably catch the ones that would tend to riot still in bed.
These things take planning, you know.
I can only speak truly for myself here but from the Freepers that I have met and those whose post I have followed most seem to have similar beliefs to mine. Namely a strong aversion to violence but equally strong aversion to pacifism. All those in the black community that you are worried about have nothing to fear from me and those like me, we will walk away if we can. Only if we can’t walk away then and only then we will fight till the threat to us and our loved ones is neutralized.
We may be approaching a national “Skidmore moment”.
The very fact that there IS a trial is proof we don’t have Rule of Law anymore. This is rule of The Mob.
The only problem is that there are no White or Hispanic Sharptons, Jesse jacksons...there is no Hispanic Panthers.
If Zimmerman gets convicted, there will be no Hispanic or white riots. There weren’t even any demonstrations, marches or T-shirts when they arrested him. Whites and Hispanics don’t “mob”...THAT’s what its about!
If Zimmerman’s found guilty - when it’s obvious he’s not - it’s going to change more than neighborhood watch programs. It’ll set race relations back for years.
One approach to evil is to pretend it doesn’t exist. One approach is to pretend if we were just nicer, evil would stop. Might be time to feed the unicorns.
Indeed. The Men’s Warehouse in SF found out that signs in the windows aligning themselves with Occupy SF didn’t matter.
The media started all this crap. They’re still pissed off the Duke lacrosse team wasn’t put against a wall and shot. They were seething and waiting for something else to come along. Now they have it, and they aren’t going to be denied. They have been hinting that there should be riots if Zimmerman is found innocent of murder or manslaughter. If he’s found innocent, those hints will turn into open calls for riots. Then there is the crap-for-brains preezy who stuck his nose into it with his “if i had a son, he would look like po lil Trayvon” crap.
If I had a son, he’d be like George Zimmerman.
I bet they travel in groups of two or three from now on.
So keep an eye out for the MSM talking heads & shoot at them to let them know that they can be gotten to as well.
I am not suggesting that we need to be nicer and I am not pretending evil doesn’t exist. Perhaps I am not explaining this well or perhaps we just don’t agree.
I’ve spent some time on another forum wherein sociopathic trolls spend unimaginable amounts of time antagonizing normal people for sport. Talking about the trolls fed their sociopathy and drove them to greater ‘heights’ of antagonism - all without ever getting off the couch. THey were able to disrupt and disturb people verbally. It was a long hard lesson for us because they were tolerated and we felt motivated by decency to confront them - but online confrontation is a different battle field and the venom that we put in our posts ‘fed’ them what they wanted. We are not violent sociopaths so ‘forceful’ posting was fatiguing for us but it was refreshment for them. What I came to recognize is the pleasure that they got thinking of ways to rattle us and then reading all our responses (oh joy). THe online battle requires different strategy.
How do you respond to a bully? SHow fear? That’s what some of these posts do in my opinion. “They are coming to get us!” is DELIGHTFUL for sociopaths and race baiters to read.
I think there is a core of violent types who will indeed take to the streets and they are recruiting all the time and they can point to some threads and posts and say “See how scared they are?” How do you think they respond when they see public “worry” about what they might do next? They love it and they threaten more. And then they show their friends the response their tweeets or online threats receive and their friends then post to out do them.
Some people reading of online worries can’t wait for a piece of that and they join in - even if they don’t plan to get off the couch and riot - it’s too much fun threatening people and seeing their threats and posts retweeted with concern. Don’t you think they read the web to see if their threats are repeated elsewhere? Aren’t they working to craft the threats that get the biggest response? There’s narcissism and sociopathy at play here and I’d rather not feed it. I am not saying “They won’t do it - it’s just a threat.” I am saying there’s a portion of the stuff going around that is a delicious head game for the perps. Riot organizer types are trying to shift the numbers in their favor - they want to motivate those who like head games to actually take a baseball bat to the street - but how to entice the lazy, sociopathic cowards from getting off the couch when bragging of your riot prowess and reading frightened responses is so much fun? Show them frantic posts of concern and claim that it would be easy - the cream puffs are already scared just READING threats etc.
Yes - I believe they have ramped up enough by now, with the help of the media, that they will riot in part because they want to teach us that we’d better think again next time. But why lose the online head game to them?
LEt’s say they say they are going to riot and hurt LOTS of people. Then they eagerly log on to see what kind of response they got. What kind of response to give them? Post to each other that you are organizing to film riot participants surreptitiously (yeah a lame expample but go with it) and organize to pressure congress to strip participants of welfare, organizing a centralized private website harvesting threatening tweets/posts etc. to assist law enforcement or think of some other response THEY DON’T WANT or is it better that posts dwell on how awful it’s going to be - which is what they want?
The posts that calmly say “Yeah well I am tired of it, bring it” are more effective in the head game because it says “yeah blah blah blah blah” and strips the couch rider of the fear response without their being able to imply that they are being provoked - it’s clearly a calm, determined response that doesn’t feed their ego or escalate.
Some angry posts unintentionally escalate feed the other side because threats from our side ‘suddenly’ seem like just words and they shift to “Yeah? Prove it”
Maybe the simplest way I can express this is to say that avoiding fearful contemplation online (in public forums )of what they will do next or using their failed tactics (I GONNA BREAK YOUR HEAD OPEN!) are less effective than the walk softly carry a big stick, uh huh so bring it, or “well if they really want to go to jail let’s help put them there” and pointing, perhaps, to the failure of Obama and noting that any and all race riots could have been avoided by The Won tsk tsk tsk....if he were at all qualified for office. Yes - let’s talk about leadership and what our government is doing to respond to the obvious signs of organizing and threats of riot. What are our congressmen doing, what does Obama have to say about that over due discussion of race. Let’s get Sharpton on recod as saying he approves and condones and is helping to organize riots OR ask him to show the public that he has any standing in the community to bring about a reasoned response - if SHarpton is truly helpless to address the riots in their planning stages then lets organize to exclude him from megaphone opportunities and tacit social acceptance he presently has (e.g., formal one week boycott of channels who film him commenting on how it’s gonna be UGLY if we don’t find Zim guilty) and any others who have too much on the balance sheet (lots of credit toward fanning race riots and professed inability to do anything about it) Yeah you can see I don’t have a solid strategy but I just needed to try to present the idea that the strategy must be different to be effective.
Why do you think that the FBI didn’t write these threats ? We literally have a federal Dept. of Justice that is a Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization aka RICO for short .
I definitely agree with that point-it’s disgusting to see articles where the potential of rioting is given any credence whatsoever as a factor to be considered in the guilt or innocence of a man. I’d hate to be the innocent citizen whose life is sacrificed to the blackmail of potential riots, when if we only had a government with spine and ethics (and a lack of racism towards whites) the rioters would be the ones dealt with, as they are the lawbreakers and the ones bringing harm to the larger community, and trying to hold our judicial system hostage.
Remember the Trayvon spectacle is all about building a narrative that can be exploited politically. They could care less about this kid. His life is a means to an end for them.
Couch warriors? Wide battlefield there for sure. Come to think of it, exploiting a politically popular narrative is also how most people end up with kids conceived on the couch.
How much less?
I had a few minutes to think on the drive home and I am wondering, what impact (if any) might it have if Repubs signed the progressive petition to have the Nobel prize recinded or returned by Obama on the basis of presiding over race riots without comment?
I thought I read somewhere that the progs were routing a petition re the Nobel Peace Prize because of Obama’s drone policy and war etc. Would it be ‘worth it’ to rally conservatives to sign that same petition on the basis of Obamas domestic war record? The community organizer has taken steps to polarize the races and is quick to cause problems (”The police acted stupidly”) and quicker still to turn his back (Haven’t heard a peep out of him re riots following trials - no calls for peace at home, brotherhood etc.) Just wonderin’. Lots of officials with lots of egos in play and no leadership - somewhere there is an opportunity to hold ‘leadership’ responsible for failure to lead.
I am referring to the small contingent of provocateurs.
Not the 95% who aren’t making threats.
On both sides.
I like a lot of your ideas... A way out of this mess could come from testing our ideas for solutions against each other. I didn't read your original comments as a strategy for dealing with evil ( for lack of a better word) I saw them as avoidance of reality. I was wrong. You have thought this one through - you're on-line plan to extinguish inappropriate behavior by NOT reinforcing it in anyway is solid. That's good if you're dealing with thrill seeking sociopaths. But it doesn't cover all of this mess - and certainly not if the thrill seekers are able to motivate those who are weak violent and/or 'people of action'... Anyhow you've given me things to think about... Thanks ransomnote.
I do think it would help if we refine our ideas by bouncing them off others and getting feedback. I think private email might be best for that - that way only the NSA would have easy access to it! :)
LOL - cute ransomnote. I like the discussions in the open - allows others to chime in with their thoughts...