Skip to comments.Live Thread: Egypt Revolution 2.1 The Ikwhan Strikes Back: Deadly "Day of Rejection"
Posted on 07/05/2013 2:20:03 PM PDT by kristinn
USA Today reports from Cairo at least 10 killed, hundreds wounded in Egypt today on the Muslim Brotherhood's (Ikwhan) "Day of Rejection" of the Egyptian military's removal of President Morsi from office this week after a popular uprising.
Meanwhile, the U.S. State Department admitted Secretary of State John Kerry was indeed on his yacht in Nantucket on Wednesday as the revolution in Egypt succeeded:
CBS News photo via Twitter
(Live Thread) Egypt: American Killed During Violent Clashes (Egypt about to blow up)
Live Thread: Egypt Revolution 2.0
These gigantic posters (Putin, Sisi, and Khrushchev and Nasser) were mentioned on the John Bachelor show in connection with a planned visit by Putin to Egypt. Bachelor pointed out that Putin is wearing "the distinctive blue and white shirt of the Special Forces of the Soviet State, now the Russian Federation."
His guest Malcolm Hoenlein said that Putin will visit Cairo. Bachelor said that this planned visit is not yet in the news, but it has been confirmed by several sources.
In a search for this news, the only site that confirms Putin's visit is an article at DEBKA, posted Aug 3. The Bachelor interview took place on Aug 1.
President Vladimir Putin is set to visit to Cairo possibly next Wednesday Aug. 7 on the advice of Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan, debkafile reports exclusively. The prince landed in Moscow Wednesday, July 31 without warning. He told Putin that Saudi King Abdullah was in favor of the Russian president going to Cairo as soon as possible and did not rule out the visit occasioning the signing of a large Russian arms sale to Egypt, bankrolled by the oil kingdom.
If true, it causes me to speculate if this upcoming visit by Putin is what caused Sec State Kerry to make these remarks from Pakistan on Aug 2.
He was asked by Geo television why the United States had not taken a clear position on military intervention against Morsis democratically elected government.
The military was asked to intervene by millions and millions of people, all of whom were afraid of descendance into chaos, into violence, Kerry was quoted as having told Geo.
And the military did not take over, to the best of our judgment - so far. To run the country, theres a civilian government. In effect, they were restoring democracy, he added.
Hoenlein also said that posters of Al Sisi are appearing all over Cairo and other parts of Egypt, and "his having declared that he will not run [in an election] is now being questioned because this is a very political-type move and raises many questions..."
The interview about Putin and Egypt is about 5 minutes. It begins about 2 minutes into interview with Hoenlein.(mp3 here)
The first thing I thought was how much has Snowden revealed to Putin that he would feel making a move to Egypt was no longer risky.... Impossible for Snowden to have been ‘given’ asylum without a trade-off with Putin..forced or otherwise. Putin does nothing without great gain to himself...that's how he works.
I agree with the host that Chechnya issues certainly put him in a favorable light with the Egyptian leadership.....will they be asking him how he would deal with the MBS?
But on the whole , if he goes there it's a huge political statement....and will have impact on the ME Leaders....but you can bet China won't be happy about it one bit.
BTW I didn't see posters as these “all over” Egypt....I did see two or three locations with these up.... but they were all banners....I didn't see any posters or in the marches themselves.
...............I enjoyed hearing the Host and his guest Thou, where is that piped from...... very interesting listening....?
Sissi to Wash post says.... that Brotherhood members are more devoted to their Islamist beliefs than they are to Egypt.
He’s right..........and SISI has been long time known to deeply love, and be devoted to Egypt. His history attests to that...and those closest to him saw this throughout his life.
Additionally, SISi does not underestimate the “Power of the Mosque” to step in line and rally the people to MBS cause when push comes to shove.
SISi knows the MBS push is a threat to his country....they proved it...and when he himself saw Morsi moving the country he loved toward an Islamic state...he knew that would mean the state would be controlled by Shariah...entire.
“if Putin goes to Egypt Wednesday that will surely change the equation in every way....not only in the dynamics of what’s happening there...but on the world stage entire.”
“BTW I didn’t see posters as these all over Egypt”
THOSE posters they talked about “all over Egypt” are the ones of just Sissi. They are speculating that might mean Sissi may run in an election even though he said he would not.
John Bachelor Show:
He recently revamped his website. This page has his podcasts, divided into 4 separate hours. I download them and listen on mp3 player. He discusses a very wide range of subjects with a wide-variety of guests.
NATO's top military commander U.S. Air Force General Philip Breedlove, who took over as NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe in May, said........"Instability in north Africa is a concern for NATO which is keeping a close eye on events in Egypt and its neighbors......... many European NATO members bordering the Mediterranean were affected by what happened in North Africa................."Refugee flows, commerce, drugs, all kinds of things in Europe are affected by what goes on in northern Africa so any instability in northern Africa is clearly a concern of the NATO nations," .....he told a group of reporters at NATO's operational headquarters in Mons, Belgium.
Egyptian children dressed in burial shrouds at a pro-Morsi protest in Egypt. (Photo: Screenshot from a video taken at the protest)
The Muslim Brotherhood is being condemned for putting children in harms way after a video surfaced of kids at a pro-Morsi demonstration, where they declared their willingness to die. Even the presence of the children at the protests is a form of abuse, as they sometimes turn into violent clashes.
An Egyptian newspaper named El-Dostour, or The Constitution, released the video and it is being quickly passed around on Egyptian social media networks. A photo was also published on the Egyptian Streets website.
The images show children wearing white death shrouds that signal a desire to become martyrs. The writing on their posters also glorified death. Some children are seen wearing green bandanas usually worn by supporters of Hamas.
When one kid was asked why he is carrying these banners, he said, These men over there told us to carry them. How sad that children are brought into the conflicts of the grown-ups and are forced to follow fanatical ideas instead of just being children, said the Egyptian source that originally notified the Clarion Project.
Footage has emerged of Egyptian children being dressed in white death shrouds in preparation for their martyrdom by pro-Morsi families in a large demonstration at Rabaa al-Adaweya. The children were heard chanting pre-rehearsed lines and were seen carrying posters that say I am ready to die!
One of Islam’s specialties is torturing and abusing children not just physically but mentally, emotionally and spiritually.
The amazing thing really is how leftists and the MSM in particular completely ignore this and other heinous aspects of Islam.
Reading here daily, you have done a great service caww!
Thank You for pinging me back to this thread. Had to place it (this thread) on a back burner. Since it all ties together, was a bad decision on my part to place to back burner. Appreciation from this side of screen.
yep ... to the nth degree
Lots of fury and rage for sure. We need to be careful about taking any sides in such clashes, kind of like Sarah Palin said “let Allah sort it out.” Now if a genuine, clear US interest is at stake there may be some point in wading in.
“Mel, I have linked this to the article...can you fill in the blanks on who this cleric is? I know he’s important but the translation is too choppy for me to nail down what happened....when you get time that is...thanks”
Hassan is from the Fundamentalist Party. They don’t know how dirty the word “Fundamentalist” is!
He’s one of the rats who are jumping the sinking ship, knowing that the end of the MB and Islamist parties coalition is coming to a bloody end. He says that before Rabaa and Nahda happened he objected to and disagreed with the sit-in decision. I say that he failed to explain why he was there for over a month.
You’ll see a lot of maneuvering to avoid life sentences and executions when they’re held accountable by the law.
CW, there’s nothing wrong with your understanding of what’s in the article, it’s written so badly that we may think the reporter is a graduate of one of OUR public screwls!!
Interior Ministry (MOI) stated that, information was received about some micro-bus drivers frequent visits on a number of poor areas and ..."the collection and transfer of children to the MB sit in at Nasr City (Rabaa)"..................In a follow-up today (4/August), the security forces at Kaliobeya Directorate have seized (2) travelling microbuses today, with total of (42) children...........................Through investigation, turned out that the man who collects the children and attracts them is called Ahmed Yousef Sadek, 31 years old teacher at the Association of Teaching Quran in Atfeeh, Giza.................................... Being confronted, he admitted collecting the children and taking them by car to the MB sit in and promising them to buy new clothes for post Ramadans feast (Eid), and that these children are from areas of Shubra Al Khaimah...................... The children have confirmed it. Legal actions have been taken about the incident, and the case is sent to the public prosecution, which began its investigations.
Sunday, August 4, 2013...The Cairo Appeals Court has set the trial of six Muslim Brotherhood leaders,..... including Supreme Guide Mohamed Badie, (Pictured) and his deputy, , ....for August 25, MENA reported...... The defendants are accused of murder and inciting the killing of protesters in front of the groups headquarters in Moqattam on June 30. Badie, Shater, and Mohamed Rashad Bayoumi, another Brotherhood leader,..... are accused of conspiring with and inciting the three other defendants and other unidentified assailants to kill protesters...... They are also charged with possession of explosives, rifles, and other weapons. The defendants will stand trial at the South Cairo Criminal Court, which is also due to hear the trial of 29 people on charges of terrorizing residents of Moqattam using firearms and white weapons.
Link for your article:
Thanks for taking the time on that...there IS trouble in the rank and file that's growing...too many differing opinions of where the MB should or not yield....or not at all......not to mention the other terrorist groups at Rabba and Nahda starting now to rumble with each other.
You're right...the big boys in the MBS will do and say now whatever is necessary to avoid prison and save “their place” in the politics of Egypt, regardless of what level of influence they had or think possible in the future.
As for my understanding..thanks...I thought it was the translation....always difficult to find a good translation that doesn't jumble the verbiage...added to it their own twisted vocabulary....sheesh!
Opps...well that didn’t come out so well....learning still...
- Putin’s visit is on Wednesday, 8/7. He’s going to get a big reception in appreciation of standing with Egypt against the Islamists and 0b0z0’s America and the western media/countries! There’s also talk about an invitation to Tahrir Square...a security nightmare, I might add! The Egyptian people are still in shock regarding the 0b0z0id policy toward them and will start “appreciating” the support of Russia, AGAIN, back to 1954! They’re wondering how do the American people allow this to happen. Little that they know; we have a dictatorship that’s supporting America’s enemies and battering its allies!
It’s a chance for the MB to try something against Putin and embarrass the hell out of the government and the rebels who would be accused of all kinds of things in Al Jazeera and the western media.
- Samia Zien el Abideen, editor of el Masaa’ “the Evening” paper said on TV that money is still pouring from the American embassy to Rabaa!! That’s our money on top of the 4-8 billion already paid as a bribe to the MB and Morsi to agree to some northern Sinai land to enlarge the Gaza Strip. (I wrote extensively about this up thread)
- demands of WITHDRAWING THE ILLEGAL EGYPTIAN NATIONALITY from 450,000 Palestinians, Syrians, etc. that Morsi’s government granted to enable those foreigners to buy lands in northern Sinai. (Read the above point about the Sinai/Gaza plot)
- I saw the drone I wrote about yesterday in flight, controlled by three MB in Rabaa. It’s white, has 4 corner rotors, it looks like the ones they fly here to check on farmers and “forbidden” to shoot down! People were speculating as to where it came from. Your guess is as good as mine, however, it’s the lousy Anne Patterson who’s still in charge....
- Mr. Ford will replace Anne Patterson. It’s called plan “A” that failed, start plan “B” as happened before in other countries like Syria! Ford was the ambassador to Syria who screwed it up in a losing effort so far. He’s an expert of empowering the Islamists in the Middle East. I predict a rough time in Egypt and that he won’t last long if the 0b0z0id regime doesn’t name someone else.
“Putins visit is on Wednesday, 8/7. Hes going to get a big reception in appreciation of standing with Egypt against the Islamists and 0b0z0s America and the western media/countries! Theres also talk about an invitation to Tahrir Square...a security nightmare, I might add! “
ALL: For Putin-visit context, see:
Mel: Thanks. Do you have a link for your Putin info? I haven’t seen it confirmed anywhere else but in those sources cited in post 2302.
“a security nightmare, I might add!”
A nightmare on so many levels.
“Samia Zien el Abideen, editor of el Masaa the Evening paper said on TV that money is still pouring from the American embassy to Rabaa!! “
Also, I read somewhere that Egyptians think Patterson is a closet member of the MB (more specifically, of some MB organization which was un-named in the article).
On Ford, see Caww.s graphic on “How Egypt sees Ford [as] US Ambassador.”
MB Leader El-Beltagi admitting implicitly the responsibility for the terror attacks ‘in Sina’
Ping to your picture.
Note the mock “explosive belt” to threaten the Egyptian people and enforce what the lousy cleric said on TV and YouTube days ago.
” Everyone of the MB will explode “himself” everywhere in Egypt. We will “explode” Egypt. Sisi, you created Taliban and al Qaeda in Egypt! Bring Morsi back or else!”
So, your picture confirms the threat of using children in homicide bombing. I think this cleric should hang in Rabaa instead of Tahrir!
I forgot, people should take their shoes off when entering Rabaa. It’s now proclaimed sacred grounds, I think. The MB doesn’t say anything about hiding weapons in Rabaa’s mosque, nor the torture and murders in the mosque’s dungeons!
They are tweeting about Putins visit...and apparently confirmed...but I haven’t seen that confirmation...however it is definately out there Thou...I’ll look further now
Morsy granted around 450,000 Syrians and Palestinians Egyptian national status as a pretext to sell them land, ‘particularly in the Sinai’.......Now and Egyptian lawyer has demanded those be stripped of their Egyptian nationality in a warrant issued to the country’s interior minister, Mohamed Ibrahim.
“Mel: Thanks. Do you have a link for your Putin info?”
No. I’m sorry. I hear info and discussion on live feed on the Egyptian channel Own TV.
However, this was a conversation with Egyptian editor Samia Zien el Abideen.
If 0b0z0 IS a Nobel “Piss” Prize winner for doing nothing, why wouldn’t this one be for supporting terrorists?
They got the guy transporting children to Rabba....
The Egyptian authorities arrested a person on Sunday in relation to information they received stating that children were being collected from lower class areas in Cairo to be transferred to the Muslim Brotherhood’s sit-in at Rabaa al-Adawiya.
The authorities arrested Ahmed Youssef Sadek, 31, and accused him of being the person in charge of bringing the children to the Rabaa al-Adawiya sit-in through seducing them by promises of news clothes.
Legal actions are being taken with regard to this incident as the prosecution started its investigations.
Still no official confirmation Putin will be in Egypt Wed......but the rumor has picked up steam on some of the news agencies who are quoting Debka as source...
Not surprised our money is going to Rabba to support the MBS.....Egyptians need to recognize the American people are not behind this....but our Congressional leaders are deadlocked on pretty much every issue of the ME.....and there is no push back to stop the flow of monies.
Ford will make no headway at all...he isnot welcomed in Egypt at all....they see him as part of the reason Syria is now at war. They don’t want his opinions nor his presence.
August 4,2013 More Copters Dropping leaflets over Rabba....'leave and safe departure promised.'
“That is one strange flag....know anything about this Mel? Mesta? Like who’s group does it represent? It’s the first I’ve seen it.”
I found out what this is all about! The MB bought this little group of Zmalek Soccor Club fans who call themselves “Ultra.” They’re paid-for Morsi supporters.
There club is a loser as the cause they support! Their management is fired every other day and their club isn’t #1 and suffers the consequences of being the unpopular, always-second-wait-til-next-year club.
That’s the story of this flag. The story about the Egyptian flag now is that a MB person called Ahmed Amer shouted in Rabaa’s microphones to burn the Egyptian flag and replace it with the al Qaeda black flag. To avoid mentioning al Qaeda’s name he also said:
“From now on, we will replace the [Egyptian] flag with WRITTEN FLAGS ONLY!”
You can see that the word “Egypt” is avoided...MB doesn’t believe in any country they’re living or born in and WANT TO RULE, the countries are a tiny part each of the Umma, read Caliphate!
The beginning of the end of the criminal international MB organization has already started July 3, 2013.
.......Amnesty to MB leaders.... or its inclusion in political life aren’t the real problems. The real issue is the MB philosophy, structure & leadership
.......It is believed that one of the main share holders of the Guardian is Qatari Sovereign Fund.......MBS’S spin master ‘Goebles alHaddad’ allegedly bought 3 pages of the Guardian of UK to publish his spin........the spin-master says Minister of Interior ‘failed’ to disperse Rabaa and we will not leave until we die or Morsi returns. :.....(victim-syndrome)
........8 Imams have been interrogated in Damietta for talking politics in sermons and cursing the ‘coup’.
........MB Protestors still unable to mobilize or occupy in other squares as they promised they would. Citizens kicking them out.
Right!....Their loyalty is to the Brotherhood Agenda (Caliphate) above Islam, though they say it is Islam...it's really just the cry to raise the mob support.....just like Muhammed did when he realized that simply a political agenda wasn't near enough to raise the mindset of the people.... rather use their religion, give them a fight, and put it all under a banner of the false God of Muhammeds design......and they will always be loyal thereafter.
Thanks for finding out about that weird flag.....and who it represented...........and I did hear they were considering raising the Alqaeda Flag only....but then determined to simply write on the center line of the Egytpion flag....but I've seen only one.....
I am now going to have Sunday “food-time....and watch a movie with my cat!.LOL...I need to break away from this for awhile...it is consuming me!
“It is believed that one of the main share holders of the Guardian is Qatari Sovereign Fund.......MBSS spin master Goebles alHaddad”
That explains the Islamist side of the Guardian! It’s known for its communist/progressive/liberal/labour....radicalism.
Now that’s funny! I’ll add to it: Goebles “Gehdless” alHaddad”
As you know the Arabic word “jihad” is used as pronounced by Arabs, the same word and the guys name is exactly the same except the “J” is pronounced as written with a “G” by Egyptians. Hence, the Egyptian born is named “Gehad” with a “G” and if you’re an Islamist or an Arab you still “pronounce” it as a “J” lol
Confusing but true!
I almost forgot to say that the reason I called him “Gehadless” is because he’s one of the cowards who pushes the jihad that’s dying for allah but won’t do it himself.
Thank you for posting all this. Gives me horrible cold chills seeing and thinking about all those poor little children and SUCH EVIL PEOPLE! I could strangle them with my bare hands!
You earned it! We all need a rest.
Enjoy lunch and a cat! Hehehe
This shot alone has the following garbage and lies:
The head of the “ African Wise Men” [thats what those African idiots call themselves and I don’t believe that they said]
: Morsi...Egypt’s Mandela! (As you said)
Freedom & justice [MB Party]
HEADLINE: THE PEOPLE DEFEAT THE COUP
Millions in huge marches to [named 23 places!!
No wonder CNN and others help them by label the Tahrir Sq. crowds “Rabaa!”
All this is in this small shot! They beat the NYT/WaPo/LAT, etc. COMBINED!
Great update ... Appreciation.
Update: Al Jazeera “communication engineer?” has been arrested with communication equipment for live broadcast “satellite” without a permit to operate. 25 boxes of equipment seized.
A guest on tv, a retired general is quite angry about the drone. He said that its American and smuggled from Turkey. He continued, just for the Egyptian people to be comfortable, we have enough technology and other things to neutralize these “toys!”
Alert: 72 children are in protective custody in Shoobra el Kheema police station. The children and their handlers were seized and stopped from heading to Rabaa!
THE POLICE STATION’s SMALL CREW IS UNDER LARGE MB ATTACK!
Goebles alHaddad...LOL....the guys family history goes all the way back to Nazi Germany.......I’ve see the creep posting on sites that support Jihad...he’s fully in their ballpark so no wonder the MB elected him as their spokesman.....
Tweeter and others are often buzzing about his lies and false journalistic approaches....they call him on it all the time...but the guy has his “star” moment now and he’ll milk it for all it’s worth..and he can because the MSM is a dunce about who he is.
Those poor little children will grow up to be terrorists....they spend a lifetime of indoctrination that destroys their ability for critical thinking...not to mention how they are abused and shipped out for that.... unless they are exposed to other cultures and or people who step in otherwise. Lots of hate builds up in these children....and much confusion.