Posted on 07/06/2013 2:17:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog
2 Boeing 777 accidents similar, but plane has 'fantastic' safety record, experts say
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Yes it was the flight that flew west. 002 flew east around the world. They took off on their routes every day from the west and east coasts.
Easily probable, but way too early to say, and no need, really.
The thing that needs to be ruled in or out promptly is foul play, in case this was one of several planned attacks. Doesn't seem to be.
Any number of things could explain what happened, including a reprise of fuel freeze that has happened before, simple fuel exhaustion (which might still be crew error), etc.
> Pilot will soon be flying paper airplanes.
I won't bet against that.
I loved Kai Tak. Back when you could let your HK office know you arrived.....as you flew by!
Pan Am stews were absolutely gorgeous...especially the little bowler caps. I dated one for about 18 months when I was stationed in Spain in the late 60’s....flying was civilized back then
This is looking to be a fairly simple case of a failure of the stick actuator. Also known as pilot error. Asian airlines have a real issue in their culture. The captains are treated like GOD. Unchallengeable. So if this was a newly promoted weak stick captain... and a new hire copilot, look out.
Old saying in aviation. Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. I wonder if that applies to the passengers?
Any landing where the company can use the airplane again is an excellent landing!
I believe that this incident was the source for a story told during leadership seminars, the point being the cultural differences in leader accountability.
The story goes that the landing in the bay was followed by months of detailed investigations, mountains of reports, and legions of lawyers. Finally, the pilot, Captain Aso was called to testify. Amid a crowded and hushed court, Captain Aso took the stand and was asked his opinion for the cause of the accident:
His response: "Aso f**k up."
That story was the first thing that came to my mind today on hearing the report of the crash.
I just saw something on Fox that says 60 unaccounted for. I hope that does not mean they are charred sitting in their seats on the plane. If so I am thinking they will wait til dark to take them off. I hope thats not true.
Bless your heart. You sound like your mama dropped turds in your chocolate chip cookies.
The personal angle for me is that my daughter has a part-Korean boyfriend, and they will be flying to Korea on Sept. 11. I don’t know which airline. When I questioned flying on 9/11, my daughter said the tickets are cheaper on that date!
If something knew it failed, he should have gotten a single land alert. Maybe he did, but too late.
Still can't get over those folks in the pic who are hauling their luggage off the plane. Hoping nobody was burned waiting for them to grab their bags from the overhead bins.
Koreans would step right over a foreign devil on fire to get their luggage, and “not see” him or her at all. Totally glazed over eyes.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions about the culture!
*Warning speculation by an amateur*
I see a few possibilities
*Faulty altimeter reading high (pilot thought he was on correct glide path)
*Pilot thought he was supposed to land on the yellow chevrons
*Pilot counting on headwind, getting a lull instead.
Likelyhood I have no Idea what I am talking about, high.
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