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Briggs & Stratton develops additive to offset ethanol's effects on small engines
pioneer press ^ | 7-10-13 | Rick Barrett

Posted on 07/10/2013 5:24:27 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

Briggs & Stratton Co. has never liked ethanol because it can make a mess of things at the worst possible time -- like when you need to cut the grass and your lawn mower spits, sputters and just won't start.

Often, water in the gasoline is the culprit, according to Briggs, the world's largest manufacturer of small gasoline engines.

And the company says the biofuel additive ethanol, which is contained in most of the gasoline people buy today, can attract moisture out of the air like steel sticks to a magnet.

Moisture in gasoline is a big problem for boats, lawn mowers, generators and other equipment powered by gasoline engines, said Scott Wesenberg, manager of Briggs' fuel systems group.

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KEYWORDS: boondoggle; corngas; crapahol; energy; ethanol; farmpimps; obamaloons
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Pawlenty signs bill increasing ethanol content in gasoline by Laura McCallum, Minnesota Public Radio May 10, 2005

Minnesota is the first state with a law mandating 20-percent ethanol use by the year 2013.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/05/10_ap_ethanol/

will our republican 'leaders' in MN repeal this?

1 posted on 07/10/2013 5:24:27 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Briggs & Stratton vs ethanol — protect small engines

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


2 posted on 07/10/2013 5:26:28 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: TurboZamboni

I hope the additive works. Current stabilizers help a bit.

Obama’s War on Pollution is also a War on Small Engines.


3 posted on 07/10/2013 5:27:18 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: TurboZamboni
the biofuel additive ethanol, which is contained in most of the gasoline people buy today, can attract moisture out of the air like steel sticks to a magnet.

BTTT

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The additive doesn't eliminate ethanol in gasoline, but it displaces water and keeps ethanol from gumming up an engine's fuel system, according to Wesenberg. Ethanol, he said, leaves residues that "never stick in a nice place." There are other fuel additives that displace water and keep gasoline fresh in storage, but Briggs says it's the first engine maker to develop its own formula that does those things and more.

After a gradual introduction, the additive is now available at thousands

of locations where outdoor power equipment with Briggs & Stratton engines is sold, including Home Depot and Walmart. A container that treats up to 40 gallons of gas sells for about $7.

4 posted on 07/10/2013 5:27:30 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

A necessary additive for classic/antique cars. The only car forum I found that touted ethanol and claimed it did no harm to older cars was sponsored by a biofuels association.


5 posted on 07/10/2013 5:30:08 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: TurboZamboni

I hope so our lawn equipment has run ragged since this crap was added to gas. Even fuel cleaner does not help. And the Cub Cadet rider is just 2 years old, and was winterized.


6 posted on 07/10/2013 5:32:09 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: TurboZamboni

We have a 1980 golf cart that I rebuilt and we use it around the place for all sorts of chores. One day the wife ran out of gas and accidentally used some ethanol instead of the premium. The cart ran another few days and is now dead. I think a carb rebuild might fix it, but it is such a pain to have to worry about gas killing a gas engine.


7 posted on 07/10/2013 5:33:09 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: TurboZamboni
Another problem is that ethanol is a solvent and dissolves the neoprene diaphragm in my Atv. It softens and warps the carburetor parts of my chain saws.
8 posted on 07/10/2013 5:36:11 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: GailA

call your local gas stations to ask if they have one pump with ‘non-oxygenated’ gas or ‘ethanol free’.


9 posted on 07/10/2013 5:36:52 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: GailA

I only use ethanol free ( marine ) gas in all of my small engines. Costs more but worth it.


10 posted on 07/10/2013 5:36:53 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Not available in some areas, like where I live.

Thank you EPA.


11 posted on 07/10/2013 5:38:15 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

One in every 25 stations here in my part of MN.

Due to the hot rod lobby and boaters.


12 posted on 07/10/2013 5:41:53 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Big Giant Head

Cheaper than what we just bought...


13 posted on 07/10/2013 5:42:16 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: TurboZamboni

For me, 180 miles round trip to the closest ethanol free station shown on http://pure-gas.org/extensions/map.html


14 posted on 07/10/2013 5:43:46 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TurboZamboni
Pure-gas.org

100% Gasoline

15 posted on 07/10/2013 5:43:54 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: thackney

so... the government tells us we need to have ethanol in gas and we have to buy a $7 product to cancel the destructive effects of the ehtanol

That’s good government!!


16 posted on 07/10/2013 5:44:14 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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sfl


17 posted on 07/10/2013 5:47:40 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: thackney

I find Pure Gas’ list missing some stations near me that I think were on it at one time. Those stations still have it. Search local fishing sites or ask a boater for a better picture of what stations sell it.


18 posted on 07/10/2013 5:48:08 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I got tired of buying new equipment and paying for repairs, so I started doing the same thing. The difference has been night and day.


19 posted on 07/10/2013 5:48:27 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Mr. K

I don’t believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.
- Ronald Reagan

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.
- Ronald Reagan

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’
- Ronald Reagan


20 posted on 07/10/2013 5:49:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TYVets

I found the pure-gas.org site recently and have been using their map to find ethanol free gasoline.

The station I go to isn’t marked ethanol free and I don’t mind. I can tell it is ethanol free when I open gas cans to fill tractors and mowers, the gas cans don’t shoot out the built up vapor from the evaporating ethanol.

What is interesting is the station I go to is very competitive and routinely undersells the competition by a couple of cents a gallon. I approve.


21 posted on 07/10/2013 5:52:30 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Similar results at all web sites due to Houston being an area for mandatory reformulated gasoline.

http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Policy/Alternatives/US-Gasoline-Requirements-Map.pdf

http://www.buyrealgas.com/Texas.html

I find similar complaints/results on the boating forums as well.


22 posted on 07/10/2013 5:53:23 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: listenhillary
I can tell it is ethanol free when I open gas cans to fill tractors and mowers, the gas cans don’t shoot out the built up vapor from the evaporating ethanol.

Keep telling yourself that, it will make you feel better.

23 posted on 07/10/2013 5:54:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TurboZamboni

I wish the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel had an editor! The author writes:

“The small-engine industry has lagged behind automakers in keeping up with changing fuel standards, according to Moore. “They think they need fuel additives that probably aren’t really necessary,” she said.”

Just who is this dingbat “Moore”? No other reference to “Moore” in this article. All I can guess is that she has never mowed a lawn several times over the course of a summer.

Best quote in the article: “Ethanol, he said, leaves residues that ‘never stick in a nice place.’ “

“&#$^&* Ain’t that the truth!”(he says after getting the gunk out of the B&S carb for the umpteenth time!)


24 posted on 07/10/2013 5:55:38 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: mountainlion

It dissolves and eats through fiberglass gas tanks too. I have a classic 71 Norton that is sitting in the shed until I find the right tank in steel. (That I can afford.)


25 posted on 07/10/2013 5:56:00 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: TurboZamboni

Government wants us to use less fuel, so they force some areas to have ethanol added to the gas, which reduces mileage, and they also dictate winter blends of gas, which also reduce mileage.

FUEPA.


26 posted on 07/10/2013 5:59:48 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: thackney

Should I video tape it for you?


27 posted on 07/10/2013 6:00:03 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Slump Tester

You might find a good tank liner that will seal the leaks and resist the alcohol. I lined several five gallon gas cans for less than $20.


28 posted on 07/10/2013 6:01:33 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Had to have my carb re-built in my snow blower and tractor. Been using an ethanol fuel conditioner and so far so good.


29 posted on 07/10/2013 6:03:42 AM PDT by Bruce Kurtz
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To: mountainlion

It will also eat through your rubber gas lines. That is why I run ALL my small engines dry when I am not going to be using them for a few weeks.


30 posted on 07/10/2013 6:03:59 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963
It runes neoprene fuel lines also. My Atv had fuel pump, gas lines, fuel shut of valve, and carburetor destroyed by the alcohol. The batteries are short lived by hard starting. Big government sure sucks.
31 posted on 07/10/2013 6:06:56 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: listenhillary

That won’t convince me. There is far more other items in gasoline that create and control vapor pressure than ethanol.


32 posted on 07/10/2013 6:08:34 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I would also have to buy four or five gallons of that crap 85% gasoline to record a video of the comparison.

The gas cans actually bulge from the pressure. Believe what you want, I’ll use firsthand observations.


33 posted on 07/10/2013 6:13:58 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: mountainlion

I’ve thought about that. Do you remember what you used? Was it an epoxy?


34 posted on 07/10/2013 6:18:30 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: listenhillary

Most likely you are buying from a station that does not have their vapor control vents properly working and the very light combustibles have already evaporated off.

But as you say, believe what you want. I have only worked in refinery design, what would I know?


35 posted on 07/10/2013 6:22:09 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Slump Tester
I tried some stuff form JC Whitney that was a bit flexible which was good. I got some other stuff that was hard form a body shop. I am sure that NAPA and other automotive supply stores would have a gas tank sealer. I expect that motorcycle supply houses could get some and might have the best advice.
36 posted on 07/10/2013 6:25:10 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I know an additive that can mitigate these effects... it’s called “gasoline”.


37 posted on 07/10/2013 6:30:19 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: TurboZamboni
How long before the government bans the use of this additive because of health or environmental concerns? Another issue is that ethanol is a solvent that attacks some plastic and metal parts. This could be a real problem in older small engines were never designed for ethanol fuels.

Ethanol fuels are a huge boondoggle and do not save any oil because of the lower gas mileage that occurs when using them. The energy needed to produce ethanol from planting and harvesting the corn, shipping it to ethanol plants, making the ethanol and shipping by truck for distribution ...ethanol cannot be shipped by pipeline... exceeds the energy gained from using it as fuel. The ethanol industry also depends on continued government subsidies from planting the corn to pumping the ethanol into your car.

38 posted on 07/10/2013 6:43:48 AM PDT by The Great RJ (construction)
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To: Slump Tester
Try this stuff on your fiberglass fuel tank.
39 posted on 07/10/2013 6:43:51 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: TurboZamboni
I started using TruFuel in my small engines. Yes it's expensive, but my fuel-related maintenance problems are over.

I did switch over to 89-octane ethanol-free marine fuel for my 4-strokes after I found a local source, and that's been doing fine for me. However, I could use TruFuel 50:1 two-stroke mix in everything (2- and 4-stroke) and never miss a beat.

40 posted on 07/10/2013 6:45:07 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: thackney; listenhillary
That won’t convince me. There is far more other items in gasoline that create and control vapor pressure than ethanol.

Part of this problem is caused by today's EPA-mandated unvented fuel cans. Compared to a few years ago, it does seem as though more vapor pressure is building due to the fuel - but it's the container.

Back in the '80s and earlier, fuel cans did have a vent cap - but it was mostly there to allow slosh-free pouring, not as a true vapor seal.

41 posted on 07/10/2013 6:50:31 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: TurboZamboni
Minnesota is the first state with a law mandating 20-percent ethanol use by the year 2013.

Minnesota elected Al Franken - they deserve the misery...

42 posted on 07/10/2013 6:59:48 AM PDT by GOPJ (In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is a dangerous extremist.. Greenfield)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I use Stabil and have fuel shut-offs on all tanks. Shut the fuel off and run the carb dry to stop. Seems to help. Sea Foam is also good stuff. It will clean a carb in 30 minutes if you can get the engine running just a little.

Av Gas does not have ethanol and is 100 octane. Works great but is expensive. A lot less expensive than using it in an airplane for both fuel and cooling.


43 posted on 07/10/2013 7:12:54 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101
It will clean a carb in 30 minutes if you can get the engine running just a little.

You can get usually get a stubborn small engine started and running with a propane torch. Unscrew the tip (make sure you keep track of the "pill" underneath), open the valve and hold it over the air intake and turn it over. It'll run on the propane until the fuel system gets primed.

44 posted on 07/10/2013 7:18:00 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GOPJ

signed into law by Timmy Pawlenty, alleged republican.

2005 Franken was still in diapers and rabbit ears.


45 posted on 07/10/2013 7:26:08 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Prior to winter storage, I leave a small 50/50 gas & Seafoam mix in and run it till it quits.


46 posted on 07/10/2013 7:27:50 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: tacticalogic

That is another one I never heard of. The first thing to get clogged is usually the float needle valve.

I guess small engines and airplanes are the last stand for carburetors. Maybe some race cars?


47 posted on 07/10/2013 7:28:52 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: TurboZamboni

Gotta remember that—although, I have access to ethanol-free gas here in Rockingham County, NC


48 posted on 07/10/2013 7:33:48 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: TurboZamboni

While moisture is a problem at all ratios of gasoline and corn crap, the damage done to fuel delivery systems is not addressed here nor the damage which will be done to 2007 (I believe is the cutoff) and earlier by E15 will give AAA a lot of towing calls.

My RV started dying at highway speeds immediately after its first batch of E85 (low on fuel and the only thing available) and it took about 4 or 5 (can’t remember exactly but is was 4 minimum) new fuel filters before all the crude stopped plugging them up.

Some other downsides. My snowblower has to run at about a 20-30% choke to keep running with E10 and no longer can throw the snow 30+ feet like it used to.

My GoldWing motorcycle needs a little choke all the time to keep from hesitating under acceleration.

My 2007 Grand Marquis gets an easy 24.5+ MPG on regular gas and 20 to 22.1 (best ever) on E10 so there is no way I am saving anything with Exx and in fact it is costing me more so our food can be burned as fuel.

Once again as lying lawyers (most politicians are lying lawyer scum) only have one tool in their tool belt everything becomes a law and we lose.


49 posted on 07/10/2013 7:35:55 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: TurboZamboni

True, but since they elected Franken they still deserve it.


50 posted on 07/10/2013 7:41:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is a dangerous extremist.. Greenfield)
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