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[CT] State Police To Gunmakers: No More Advice On Law
The Hartford Courant ^ | July 12, 2013 | Dan Haar

Posted on 07/13/2013 5:28:04 AM PDT by Daffynition

Back in May, a month after Gov. Dannel P. Malloy signed the state’s gun control law, Stag Arms of New Britain came up with a modified design and took it to the state police firearms unit to see whether it would pass muster.

The unit was helpful, even making a design suggestion that would help assure the gun would not be classified as an illegal assault weapon. Stag prepared to make the rifle, a .22-caliber version of the military-style AR-15.

Then in June, the state legislature tightened the law in order to correct a few problems. Stag returned with an updated model, seeking an opinion.

But this time, the firearms unit had a different answer.

“I was told to get a lawyer, figure it out and if I’m wrong I’m going to have to deal with it,” said Mark Malkowski, the Stag Arms owner and president. “It’s my responsibility to interpret…I was told we were no longer allowed to bring prototypes in.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
*We don't know. We didn't know we didn't know. We didn't know we were supposed to know.*

“People were calling us for interpretations and we hadn’t even read the bill ourselves.”

1 posted on 07/13/2013 5:28:04 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

Why is any firearms manufacturer still being in CT?

WAKE UP!! THEY DON’T WANT YOU IN CT!! MOVE NOW BEFORE YOU ARE ARRESTED!! IT AIN’T GOING TO GET ANY BETTER!!

And to the NSA trolls, FU.


2 posted on 07/13/2013 5:33:24 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Daffynition

Very simple.

Make a law that people can’t avoid breaking. Then selectively enforce it to get the desired results.

It’s called fascism.

Stag stays in CT, it deserves to pay every dollar it get fined.


3 posted on 07/13/2013 5:36:39 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Daffynition
To all gun manufacturers in CT:

Take a hint. We don't like you, we don't need you and we don't want you. Hit the road and take it somewhere else.

Gov. Malloy

4 posted on 07/13/2013 5:37:51 AM PDT by JPG (Obama Does Egypt.)
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To: Daffynition

I’m damned sure that ifI make a purchase online or in a store, I’ll make absolutely sure that the product is not from or purchased from CT, CA, and all those other places that are vehement anti-gun zealots. I’m tired of buying from controllers. Colt - you’d better take notice.


5 posted on 07/13/2013 5:43:25 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Daffynition

The CT state police are under political orders to willfully allow citizens to break laws, is that it?
People generally WANT to follow the rules. By not allowing the people to know what the rules are, the state seeks to entrap the people.
Is this any way to govern a citizenry?
From the lowest levels of government to the highest levels, those in power skirt or ignore the law. What recourse to this do we have, but to become cynical scofflaws ourselves.


6 posted on 07/13/2013 5:55:12 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Gaffer

*We don’t know. We didn’t know we didn’t know. We didn’t know we were supposed to know.* ....

If “law enforcement” doesn’t know the law, how the hell can they enforce it?

If I owned STAG Arms, I’d be looking for a new address in another state.


7 posted on 07/13/2013 5:56:47 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for SMALLER , HONEST government)
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To: Progov

bttt


8 posted on 07/13/2013 5:58:02 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Progov

Me too. I guess now the ATF will stop issuing their bullshit opinion letters?

I’m just not gonna buy any gun or ammo or whatever from an enemy state any longer. It takes time to find out when you’re shopping, but choking off their out-of-state resources is a start.


9 posted on 07/13/2013 5:59:01 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Daffynition
Dear gun makers - It's time for you guys to read the writing on the wall.

There are states out there that do not share Connecticut's anti-gun bias, where taxes are cheaper, the business environment is better, and the deck isn't stacked against you.

Take your company, along with the taxes you pay, along with the jobs you create and the taxes your employees pay and move to a state where you will be treated with appreciation.

10 posted on 07/13/2013 5:59:41 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Daffynition

Dannel has basically told the gun manufacturers , leave and take your stinkin’ high paying , highly skilled jobs with you. CT’s future belongs to the newly minted, low skill, underpaid citizen.


11 posted on 07/13/2013 6:10:41 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Thumper1960
People generally WANT to follow the rules. By not allowing the people to know what the rules are, the state seeks to entrap the people.
Is this any way to govern a citizenry?

Kind of the same way 0bamacare was passed, and is being implemented.
To this day does anyone really know what's in the law?

12 posted on 07/13/2013 6:12:31 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Progov

>>If “law enforcement” doesn’t know the law, how the hell can they enforce it?

In the police state that the US has become, the cops enforce the law based on your “attitude” and their mood. There are too many laws for anyone to enforce them all, so law “enforcement” just does what it pleases.


13 posted on 07/13/2013 6:13:49 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Daffynition
Isn't interesting what happens when businesses businesses work in concert with government? The whole business-government "partnership" has been going on for years. It results in campaign contributions to politicians. Which, in turn, results in corporate welfare. The businesses that partner with government obtain unfair advantage over those that do not. Label this what you want, either statism, fascism or something else.

Now things have progressed beyond that in many states. It is approaching totalitarianism. Companies like Stag Arms is part of the problem. They attempted to work with government when they should have moved to a free state. Now government isn't willing to work with them. Stag had every right to protest and lobby legislators. I'm sure they did, but they loss. The second step that they could have taken (hopefully they will still take) is leave a business and gun unfriendly state. There are plenty of states that have lower taxes, less regulation, better standards of living and strong 2a rights.

Stag needs to hurt CT in the pocket book by leaving CT.

14 posted on 07/13/2013 6:16:37 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (.Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: Daffynition

If I were in a 2nd Amendment supporting state and in a position to offer support to gun/ammo manufactures in 2nd Amendment unfriendly states I’d be burning up the phone lines and making trips to those facilities to entice them to leave where they are not wanted and come to where their efforts are appreciated.

There can be no excuse for a firm who depends on a core element of the constitution to remain in a constitution unfriendly state and effectively fund and support your sworn enemy.

Just think of how many businesses SHOULD move to areas of the country more agreeable with their products.

IE: For a multitude of reasons the auto industry should move out of states with enviro-wackos and union thuggery.


15 posted on 07/13/2013 6:18:07 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Daffynition

The polarization between elitist statist thugs and people who still believe in the Constitution and freedom has reached the point of no return- the tipping point. Short of total ccapitulation by one side or the other another civil war is inevitable.


16 posted on 07/13/2013 6:30:11 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: Daffynition
"“People were calling us for interpretations and we hadn’t even read the bill ourselves.”

What the Stag Arms people need to do is to ask the state Attorney General (or the state Attorney General's office staff) rather than the police. The cops are right in this case....their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it.

17 posted on 07/13/2013 6:32:06 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

If they can’t explain the law they don’t understand it. If they don’t understand it they can’t enforce.

I totally disagree


18 posted on 07/13/2013 6:42:25 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: Daffynition
MOVE already...
19 posted on 07/13/2013 6:44:50 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Daffynition

Maybe the Stag owner will get the message when he takes a weapon in to get a determination..and the State Patrol arrests him.

“No sir, your prototype weapon does not conform to the new rules. Oh, and by the way, you’re under arrest. Please put your hands behind your back...”


20 posted on 07/13/2013 6:54:23 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Daffynition

“We’ll just arrest everyone we see with a gun and let the courts settle it. We don’t know shit.”


21 posted on 07/13/2013 7:02:36 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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22 posted on 07/13/2013 7:15:39 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Daffynition

PTR Inc. that makes HK rifle clones has decided to move out of CT. Stag Arms is still waffling. Stag is being courted by Texas and North Carolina, but its CEO is only saying the company plans to expand production in other locations out of state, but isn’t moving — yet. http://bristolpress.com/articles/2013/07/01/news/doc51d23a6e6636f669304351.txt


23 posted on 07/13/2013 7:17:44 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Actually, Stag is looking for facilities outside of NY....hopefully they’ll choose Horry County, SC.


24 posted on 07/13/2013 7:21:37 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: ZULU
"If they can’t explain the law they don’t understand it. If they don’t understand it they can’t enforce."

I don't disagree with the above.

But this doesn't involve "understanding the law", it is about INTERPRETING the law, which task is for the states Attorneys General, and the states judges to do.

If either cop or citizen needs clarification, the state Attorney General's office is where they both should go to get the current understanding of any state law, which it is then the cops job to enforce.

If a citizen disagrees with what the AG's office says the law means, then they take it up in court. If the courts agree with the AG's office, then the citizen can go to the legislature to get the law modified or repealed.

25 posted on 07/13/2013 7:23:46 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Daffynition

“Did you really think that we want those laws to be
observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken.
You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of
boy scouts you’re up against - then you’ll know that
this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after
power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to
it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only
power any government has is the power to crack
down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough
criminals, one makes them. One declares so many
things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a
nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that
for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can
neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively
interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers
- and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once
you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal
with.”
—Ayn Rand, *Atlas Shrugged*


26 posted on 07/13/2013 7:26:29 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Perfect. How could I have forgotten?

Game. Point. Match!


27 posted on 07/13/2013 7:38:00 AM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
I hear everybody badgering Stag to move, but have all the Repubs living in ultra blue states left yet? It's a business decision and only theirs; they'll know when it's time to get out and then they will.

I really believe we will see political change over all the gun control and many of these laws will be reversed down the road. It would be nice to see Stag pick up and leave, but not if it has a negative affect on their bottom line. I own a few Stags, great guns, reasonably priced, all around good company too. Somebody from Stag told me they were working on a 308 Stag, would be a light weight AR-10 but if they are forced to move; that development & production would be put on the back burner. I say, stay where you are best to survive; and bring out that 308 Stag,,, quick I want a couple.

28 posted on 07/13/2013 7:39:06 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Daffynition

I had a good writer.


29 posted on 07/13/2013 7:50:18 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Progov

I post this every time a thread like this pops up. It is exactly where we are today. From “Atlas Shrugged”:

Continues bureaucrat Ferris: “Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against . . . We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted [Frederick Mann: Obfuscation of meaning is a key element of the con games bureaucrats and politicians play.] - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”


30 posted on 07/13/2013 8:04:38 AM PDT by suthener
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To: Slings and Arrows

Guess I should have scrolled down. You beat me by almost 30 minutes.


31 posted on 07/13/2013 8:06:14 AM PDT by suthener
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To: Slings and Arrows

Aye. Quote of the day award.


32 posted on 07/13/2013 8:31:02 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: JPG
Take a hint. We don't like you, we don't need you and we don't want you. Hit the road and take it somewhere else.

And we don't deserve one dime, one penny of taxes derived from a business we not only hamper, but malign and disrespect and falsely accuse at every opportunity in public.

If you stay in a fascist state and manufacture a freedom-oriented product they don't like, and you pay your taxes, you ARE the problem. You're funding them to violate your civil rights and those of your customers.

33 posted on 07/13/2013 9:26:27 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: suthener

It deserves to be repeated.


34 posted on 07/13/2013 10:37:07 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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