Skip to comments.[CT] State Police To Gunmakers: No More Advice On Law
Posted on 07/13/2013 5:28:04 AM PDT by Daffynition
Back in May, a month after Gov. Dannel P. Malloy signed the states gun control law, Stag Arms of New Britain came up with a modified design and took it to the state police firearms unit to see whether it would pass muster.
The unit was helpful, even making a design suggestion that would help assure the gun would not be classified as an illegal assault weapon. Stag prepared to make the rifle, a .22-caliber version of the military-style AR-15.
Then in June, the state legislature tightened the law in order to correct a few problems. Stag returned with an updated model, seeking an opinion.
But this time, the firearms unit had a different answer.
I was told to get a lawyer, figure it out and if Im wrong Im going to have to deal with it, said Mark Malkowski, the Stag Arms owner and president. Its my responsibility to interpret
I was told we were no longer allowed to bring prototypes in.
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People were calling us for interpretations and we hadnt even read the bill ourselves.
Why is any firearms manufacturer still being in CT?
WAKE UP!! THEY DON’T WANT YOU IN CT!! MOVE NOW BEFORE YOU ARE ARRESTED!! IT AIN’T GOING TO GET ANY BETTER!!
And to the NSA trolls, FU.
Make a law that people can’t avoid breaking. Then selectively enforce it to get the desired results.
It’s called fascism.
Stag stays in CT, it deserves to pay every dollar it get fined.
Take a hint. We don't like you, we don't need you and we don't want you. Hit the road and take it somewhere else.
I’m damned sure that ifI make a purchase online or in a store, I’ll make absolutely sure that the product is not from or purchased from CT, CA, and all those other places that are vehement anti-gun zealots. I’m tired of buying from controllers. Colt - you’d better take notice.
The CT state police are under political orders to willfully allow citizens to break laws, is that it?
People generally WANT to follow the rules. By not allowing the people to know what the rules are, the state seeks to entrap the people.
Is this any way to govern a citizenry?
From the lowest levels of government to the highest levels, those in power skirt or ignore the law. What recourse to this do we have, but to become cynical scofflaws ourselves.
*We don’t know. We didn’t know we didn’t know. We didn’t know we were supposed to know.* ....
If “law enforcement” doesn’t know the law, how the hell can they enforce it?
If I owned STAG Arms, I’d be looking for a new address in another state.
Me too. I guess now the ATF will stop issuing their bullshit opinion letters?
I’m just not gonna buy any gun or ammo or whatever from an enemy state any longer. It takes time to find out when you’re shopping, but choking off their out-of-state resources is a start.
There are states out there that do not share Connecticut's anti-gun bias, where taxes are cheaper, the business environment is better, and the deck isn't stacked against you.
Take your company, along with the taxes you pay, along with the jobs you create and the taxes your employees pay and move to a state where you will be treated with appreciation.
Dannel has basically told the gun manufacturers , leave and take your stinkin’ high paying , highly skilled jobs with you. CT’s future belongs to the newly minted, low skill, underpaid citizen.
Kind of the same way 0bamacare was passed, and is being implemented.
To this day does anyone really know what's in the law?
>>If law enforcement doesnt know the law, how the hell can they enforce it?
In the police state that the US has become, the cops enforce the law based on your “attitude” and their mood. There are too many laws for anyone to enforce them all, so law “enforcement” just does what it pleases.
Now things have progressed beyond that in many states. It is approaching totalitarianism. Companies like Stag Arms is part of the problem. They attempted to work with government when they should have moved to a free state. Now government isn't willing to work with them. Stag had every right to protest and lobby legislators. I'm sure they did, but they loss. The second step that they could have taken (hopefully they will still take) is leave a business and gun unfriendly state. There are plenty of states that have lower taxes, less regulation, better standards of living and strong 2a rights.
Stag needs to hurt CT in the pocket book by leaving CT.
If I were in a 2nd Amendment supporting state and in a position to offer support to gun/ammo manufactures in 2nd Amendment unfriendly states I’d be burning up the phone lines and making trips to those facilities to entice them to leave where they are not wanted and come to where their efforts are appreciated.
There can be no excuse for a firm who depends on a core element of the constitution to remain in a constitution unfriendly state and effectively fund and support your sworn enemy.
Just think of how many businesses SHOULD move to areas of the country more agreeable with their products.
IE: For a multitude of reasons the auto industry should move out of states with enviro-wackos and union thuggery.
The polarization between elitist statist thugs and people who still believe in the Constitution and freedom has reached the point of no return- the tipping point. Short of total ccapitulation by one side or the other another civil war is inevitable.
What the Stag Arms people need to do is to ask the state Attorney General (or the state Attorney General's office staff) rather than the police. The cops are right in this case....their job is to enforce the law, not interpret it.
If they can’t explain the law they don’t understand it. If they don’t understand it they can’t enforce.
I totally disagree
Maybe the Stag owner will get the message when he takes a weapon in to get a determination..and the State Patrol arrests him.
“No sir, your prototype weapon does not conform to the new rules. Oh, and by the way, you’re under arrest. Please put your hands behind your back...”
“We’ll just arrest everyone we see with a gun and let the courts settle it. We don’t know shit.”
PTR Inc. that makes HK rifle clones has decided to move out of CT. Stag Arms is still waffling. Stag is being courted by Texas and North Carolina, but its CEO is only saying the company plans to expand production in other locations out of state, but isn’t moving — yet. http://bristolpress.com/articles/2013/07/01/news/doc51d23a6e6636f669304351.txt
Actually, Stag is looking for facilities outside of NY....hopefully they’ll choose Horry County, SC.
I don't disagree with the above.
But this doesn't involve "understanding the law", it is about INTERPRETING the law, which task is for the states Attorneys General, and the states judges to do.
If either cop or citizen needs clarification, the state Attorney General's office is where they both should go to get the current understanding of any state law, which it is then the cops job to enforce.
If a citizen disagrees with what the AG's office says the law means, then they take it up in court. If the courts agree with the AG's office, then the citizen can go to the legislature to get the law modified or repealed.
Did you really think that we want those laws to be
observed? said Dr. Ferris. We want them broken.
Youd better get it straight that its not a bunch of
boy scouts youre up against - then youll know that
this is not the age for beautiful gestures. Were after
power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and youd better get wise to
it. Theres no way to rule innocent men. The only
power any government has is the power to crack
down on criminals. Well, when there arent enough
criminals, one makes them. One declares so many
things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a
nation of law-abiding citizens? Whats there in that
for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can
neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively
interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers
- and then you cash in on guilt. Now, thats the system, Mr. Rearden, thats the game, and once
you understand it, youll be much easier to deal
Ayn Rand, *Atlas Shrugged*
Perfect. How could I have forgotten?
Game. Point. Match!
I really believe we will see political change over all the gun control and many of these laws will be reversed down the road. It would be nice to see Stag pick up and leave, but not if it has a negative affect on their bottom line. I own a few Stags, great guns, reasonably priced, all around good company too. Somebody from Stag told me they were working on a 308 Stag, would be a light weight AR-10 but if they are forced to move; that development & production would be put on the back burner. I say, stay where you are best to survive; and bring out that 308 Stag,,, quick I want a couple.
I had a good writer.
I post this every time a thread like this pops up. It is exactly where we are today. From “Atlas Shrugged”:
Continues bureaucrat Ferris: Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. Youd better get it straight that its not a bunch of boy scouts youre up against . . . Were after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and youd better get wise to it. Theres no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there arent enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? Whats there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted [Frederick Mann: Obfuscation of meaning is a key element of the con games bureaucrats and politicians play.] - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now thats the system, Mr. Rearden, and once you understand it, youll be much easier to deal with.
Guess I should have scrolled down. You beat me by almost 30 minutes.
Aye. Quote of the day award.
And we don't deserve one dime, one penny of taxes derived from a business we not only hamper, but malign and disrespect and falsely accuse at every opportunity in public.
If you stay in a fascist state and manufacture a freedom-oriented product they don't like, and you pay your taxes, you ARE the problem. You're funding them to violate your civil rights and those of your customers.
It deserves to be repeated.