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State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman Self-defense is not a crime: VERDICT WATCH.
annettekblog.wordpress ^ | July 12, 2013 | annettek

Posted on 07/13/2013 6:07:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

I pray for a fair and just verdict. My support and thoughts go out to the Zimmerman family and the defense team as we wait.

Links to Live Streams (Thanks Carole):

WAT~ http://wildabouttrial.com/trial_videos/watch-the-george-zimmerman-hearing-live/

Local WFTV~ http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream//

Click Orlando~ http://www.clickorlando.com/news/-/1637132/19533480/-/fm5b93z/-/index.html

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; chickjuryhesscrewed; florida; georgezimmerman; liveverdictwatch; livezimmermanjury; martin; trayvon; trayvonmartin; ursulathev; zimmerman; zot
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To: rainee

>>>>Jeff Weiner @JeffWeinerOS
Jury instructions: Jurors cannot convict on manslaughter in this case if #TrayvonMartin’s death justified, excusable, negligent or accident.<<<

If true, brings a smile to MY face....please dear Father in heaven, let it be so


1,551 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:05 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: Toespi

Fox legal says this indicates they are not buying self defense.


KNEW IT. I’m upset now...Oh well....


1,552 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:32 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: viaveritasvita; P-Marlowe
what the hell do freakin’ fox news experts know???!! sorry...how so?

They don't. It's all the same rile-up-everybody-and-hope-they-watch-us. They don't know what it "indicates" anymore than the man on moon. Sheesh. See #1529, P-Marlowe's theory sounds quite plausible.

1,553 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:34 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: patriotspride

Several attorneys. One female said, this manslaughter charge was a terrible and shouldn’t have happened.


1,554 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:35 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: P-Marlowe

May God in His mercy, free George Zimmerman. May He heal those in need of healing and quell the coming storm. Amen.


1,555 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:36 PM PDT by tioga
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To: viaveritasvita

Praying for God to be merciful to George Zimmerman.


1,556 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
"It could go either way, it could be a juror who wants to acquit and the others want manslaughter and they are trying to convince her to hop on board the manslaughter train, OR it could mean that there is one juror who wants manslaughter and the others want to acquit and they are trying to convince her to acquit"

Exactly. People are assuming the jury is of one mind already. There's no reason for that. One of the jurors might think it should be manslaughter because Z followed and the others seeking the clarification to convince her otherwise. Nobody knows what's going on, but it's a mistake to think they are all thinking alike.

1,557 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:48 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Toespi
There are several possibilities. Here are three:
1,558 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Harriet Meiers is looking pretty good right about now.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Thank you Papa!


1,559 posted on 07/13/2013 3:20:48 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: BuckeyeTexan

The State didn’t add it. In Florida, manslaughter is an automatic lesser-included charge to second-degree murder unless the State asks that it be excluded from the jury instructions. The Defense asked to have the manslaughter instructions stricken but the prosecution argued for it to be included.
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I thought it was an automatic 30 years if one killed someone younger than 18?


1,560 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:00 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: NKP_Vet

If he is found quilty of Manslaugter, after the prosecution put up no evidence of his guilt whatsover, this would be the biggest miscarriage of justice in the last 100 years. It was self-defense. To convict of Manslaughter it would mean that the jurors completely ignored the evidence in the case. Disgusting.

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1000 percent with you


1,561 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:12 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: SE Mom

she’s such a piece of crap.

according to sherry dewitt, DN left out that if you find GZ negligent, YOU CANNOT CONVICT.


1,562 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:14 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: viaveritasvita

I have been out all day

don’t know what is going on but this makes me sick


1,563 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:17 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: rainee

So per manslaughter instructions Zimmerman had to have intent?


1,564 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:25 PM PDT by waxer1 (A Republic if you can keep it--Benjamin Franklin. Well we lost it.)
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To: MNDude

I would guessing a week ago that manslaughter was 2-4 years. A guy in New Mexico was just released from prison. 2-3 people died in his sweatlodge in the desert in some new age ceremony. He was sentenced to 4, out in 2.


1,565 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:32 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: pollywog

And that may very well be the question; we’re unsure, does self-defense negate a manslaughter verdict?


1,566 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:33 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Sarah Barracuda
It could go either way, it could be a juror who wants to acquit and the others want manslaughter and they are trying to convince her to hop on board the manslaughter train, OR it could mean that there is one juror who wants manslaughter and the others want to acquit and they are trying to convince her to acquit

Cogent. I think that's exactly where we are.

Could there really be 6 women on a jury who are so stupid as to see this as manslaughter? I find that hard to believe.

As long as there is at least 1 who sees this as the obvious self-defense that it is, then I would hope that any such jurors will "stand their ground" and not do the politically correct, legally incorrect thing.

If there's 1 or more of those, then GZ is free, at least for the moment.

Everybody pray.

1,567 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:43 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: patriotspride

Self defense trumps all other charges. If they’re asking for clarification, at least one juror is not buying self-defense.


1,568 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:51 PM PDT by sox_the_cat
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To: MNDude

Clueless but did read it and I know now.


1,569 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:57 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: RoosterRedux

>>>>...the jury has dispensed with the 2nd degree murder charge and just wants to make sure they fully understand manslaughter. When they realize (i.e. get clarification) that self-defense (the same self defense that overcame murder 2) does the same for manslaughter...this trial is over.<<<<<

Please LORD let it be so!!


1,570 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:08 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

This woman on Fox talking right now is full of it. If there is any doubt about who the aggressor was, check the wounds on GZ and tie that in to the witness John Good. There is no breaking of the law in following a person. She is saying GZ threw a punch. Waht a dingbat!


1,571 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:18 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: gswilder

Thanks for the update I appreciate it.


1,572 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:28 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Thank you for that.

I haven’t had a drink for years, but I could sure use a double vodka martini right this minute.


1,573 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:36 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: Uncle Chip

If 1 juror feels it was “reasonable” for GZ to fear for his life, then they must aquit. Can it be that the concealed carry Jurist would not feel it was reasonable to fear for safety? Why else carry?


1,574 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:40 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: little jeremiah

Amen


1,575 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:43 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: patriot08

Those liberal jurors may be enjoying the media attention and may prolong this another day or two, but ultimatley fear of rioting will make them convict of manslaughter. And they don’t know that both crimes carry the same sentence. I wish I had faith in the American people, but I have less every day. They are truly beyond hope. Have faith in a few individuals but not in the people as a whole.


1,576 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:47 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: mlo

I look at the OJ case as a perfect example of people rushing to judgement on what the jury was asking for..jury question was about the limo driver’s testimony, lawyers thought for sure that meant that the jury was going to convict because the limo driver saw a shadowy figure going into OJ’s house soon after the murder then he was rung through the gate..and we all know what happened


1,577 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:48 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

The deal here isn’t that the jury wants to know anything other than if they compromise, how long is GZ gonna get? They do not get to hear that....so it does prove that this was a joke when they added in the manslaughter charge. There is no question that the 2nd degree charge has any followers. It does not, obviously.

This jury of dumb bimbos, of which I am among, still does not see self defense is self defense. They only see the emotion and that they really need to make GZ guilty of something.

This is not how we send a man to prison for most of his natural life.


1,578 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:56 PM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I’m going to be optimistic. I think the jury has agreed there is no murder charge and they are now deliberating the manslaughter charge and one or two of the jurors are holding out because they feel sorry for Baby Trayvon. I think the jury wanted clarification on the second charge. I can’t believe 6 intelligent people could come to the conclusion that GZ was not justified in pulling the trigger.

Keep praying.


AMEN!

I’m taking my granddaughter to dinner.


1,579 posted on 07/13/2013 3:22:59 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Fawn

Their question may very well be in deciding self-defense with regard to manslaughter?


1,580 posted on 07/13/2013 3:23:10 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: yield 2 the right

WHY get upset over what bloviators on Fox say? They don’t know anything more than we do. They’re paid to fill time with words, so they spew whatever comes to mind. Relax...

It will either end the way we want it to, or it won’t. Fortunately none of us will be directly affected. This time.


1,581 posted on 07/13/2013 3:23:17 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: SE Mom

Someone should have pointed a red laser into their hotel rooms last night beaming ‘manslaughter is 30 years’


1,582 posted on 07/13/2013 3:23:19 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: LibWhacker; All

The cops did rule this justifiable a long time ago. Problem is Bambi took it up to take guns away and spark race war.

Entirely way too much speculation here and on TV. Why? The worthless media. unknowledgable talking head legal experts and anchors on TV. They are so wrong.

We do not have text of jury “question”. It is almost never disclosed except to the attorneys and THEN the Judge asks for ideas how to respond, what to say, or whether to respond at all. That is what is going on now. How do we respond or do we? The Judge is looking for consensus from counsel on this. It is highly unlikely she would repeat any of her charge.

Another thing is that jurors never hear the penalties. They can only go on what they know, i.e Murder = bad, manslaughter = well I know a guy who got convicted of that and he got 5 years. But Fla apparently does 30 w/o parole.

Any more Q’s, ping me.


1,583 posted on 07/13/2013 3:23:21 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: viaveritasvita

It will be 6 months before I am ready to serve in another such trial (just tuckered out)...what about you?;-)


1,584 posted on 07/13/2013 3:23:26 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: workerbee

thank you!


1,585 posted on 07/13/2013 3:23:42 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
“That Fox news legal was on with Hannity last night and wanted manslaughter badly. Mark Furhman said it is self defense and he should be acquitted”

I saw most of that cluster $#@! of Lawyers on Hannity last night giving their 2 cents, just reaffirms to me that this country is finished.

1,586 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:10 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: onyx

I concur


1,587 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:10 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: DrewsMum
A couple of hours ago a poster at the link said manslaughter was flashed on the video feed.
There wasn't any live video at the time, just the word manslaughter.
1,588 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:11 PM PDT by novemberslady (Texas For President)
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To: 21twelve

Not sayin’ we don’t have our share of nutjobs, but the sweatlodge dude was in Arizona.


1,589 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:17 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Hopefully, BO isn’t on the golf course and delayed her research.


1,590 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:29 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: tioga
May God in His mercy, free George Zimmerman. May He heal those in need of healing and quell the coming storm. Amen.

Amen!

1,591 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:32 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: spacejunkie2001

Unreal ..such ineptitude. Doesn’t someone like a law clerk go over these instructions letter by letter?


1,592 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:32 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: spacejunkie2001

?? Where did you hear that?


1,593 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:47 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: onyx
I’m taking my granddaughter to dinner.

What? Were you a child bride?;-)

1,594 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:50 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: Gator113

What don’t these jurors get about reasonable doubt. If they doubt 2nd degree they also have to doubt manslaughter.


1,595 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:53 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: viaveritasvita

Amen.


1,596 posted on 07/13/2013 3:25:05 PM PDT by tioga
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To: DAC21
Anyone with any smarts knew 2nd degree Murder was gone from the get go. They are looking at the nuances of manslaughter, I'm sticking with hung jury on the manslaughter charge.

A good scenario:

5 of the jury members understand the main elements to convict for manslaughter, which the state has not even come close to meeting unless the facts are being twisted in the jury room. The one hold out for manslaughter needs to be convinced that the other 5 jury members are correct, but wants to hear from authority outside the jury room for clarification.

1,597 posted on 07/13/2013 3:25:12 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: waxer1

George Zimmerman cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide:

That’s from the actual instructions, page 10.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerman_Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf


1,598 posted on 07/13/2013 3:25:13 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: RummyChick

Hi RC...I wish I could catch you up, but I’m shaking like a leaf...if you go back about 50 posts or so you’ll get the gist.


1,599 posted on 07/13/2013 3:25:28 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: spacejunkie2001

she’s such a piece of crap.

according to sherry dewitt, DN left out that if you find GZ negligent, YOU CANNOT CONVICT.
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Thanks SpaceJunkie. I thought that I heard something like that. Nelson may have done that INTENTIONALLY.


1,600 posted on 07/13/2013 3:25:57 PM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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