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The Trayvon Martin Killing and the Myth of Black-on-Black Crime
The Daily Beast ^ | July 15, 2013 | Jamelle Bouie

Posted on 07/15/2013 12:31:09 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi

Last week, in Chicago, 16-year-old Darryl Green was found dead in the yard of an abandoned home. He was killed, relatives reported, because he refused to join a gang. Unlike most tragedies, however—which remain local news—this one caught the attention of conservative activist Ben Shapiro, an editor for Breitbart News. Using the hashtag “#justicefordarryl,” Shaprio tweeted and publicized the details of Green’s murder. But this wasn’t a call for help and assistance for Green’s family, rather, it was his response to wide outrage over Saturday’s decision in the case of George Zimmerman, where a Florida jury judged him “not guilty” of second-degree murder or manslaughter in the killing of Trayvon Martin.

Shapiro, echoing many other conservatives, is angry over the perceived politicization of the Zimmerman trial, and believes that activists have ”injected” race into the discussion, as if there’s nothing racial already within the criminal-justice system. Indeed, he echoes many conservatives when he complains that media attention had everything to do with Zimmerman’s race. If he were black, the argument goes, no one would care. And so, Shapiro found the sad story of Darryl Green, and promoted it as an example of the “black-on-black” crime that, he believes, goes ignored. Or, as he tweets, “49% of murder victims are black men. 93% of those are killed by other blacks. Media don’t care. Obama doesn’t care. #JusticeForDarryl.”

The idea that “black-on-black” crime is the real story in Martin’s killing isn’t a novel one. In addition to Shapiro, you’ll hear the argument from conservative African-American activists like Crystal White, as well as people outside the media, like Zimmerman defense attorney Mark O’Mara, who said that his client “never would have been charged with a crime” if he were black.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: benshapiro; blackkk; blackonblackcrime; breitbart; chicago; dailybeast; darrylgreen; florida; georgezimmerman; illinois; jamellebouie; newsweak; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; trayvonmartin
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1 posted on 07/15/2013 12:31:09 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Nice steaming pile of . . . trying to make it sound like whites run around all the time killing blacks. Not even the “gangsta” rappers can make any such valid claim, nor do they try.


2 posted on 07/15/2013 12:33:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

~~~And so, Shapiro found the sad story of Darryl Green, and promoted it as an example of the “black-on-black” crime that, he believes, goes ignored. Or, as he tweets, “49% of murder victims are black men. 93% of those are killed by other blacks. Media don’t care. Obama doesn’t care.~~~

Shapiro is correct. Obama uses the willing media to try and promote a race war.

That is what this is all about. Destroying the U.S.A. by any means possible.


3 posted on 07/15/2013 12:33:52 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

In 513 days between Trayvon shooting and Zimmerman Verdict, 1106 Blacks Murdered by other Blacks.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/07/65527-in-513-days-between-trayvon-shooting-and-zimmerman-verdict-11106-blacks-murdered-by-other-blacks/


4 posted on 07/15/2013 12:34:11 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
Forgot the author’s portrait.


5 posted on 07/15/2013 12:34:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

If it’s not black-on-black in Chicago then what is it?


6 posted on 07/15/2013 12:34:35 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Janelle must not have ever watched The First 48.


7 posted on 07/15/2013 12:34:42 PM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
Nor are African-Americans especially criminal...

I guess the author has a different definition of "especially" than most. To most people, the observation that about 12% of the population is responsible for around half of the violent felonies committed in America would qualify as "especially."

8 posted on 07/15/2013 12:35:02 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
...Martin’s cause had less to do with the identity of the shooter and everything to do with the appalling disinterest of the local police department.)

The author is a liar. Just another propagandist. The Sanford PD submitted their report to the DA and the DA found no cause to indict.

9 posted on 07/15/2013 12:35:44 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
Wow. this idiot completely ignores that the RATES for black-on-black crime are 8X higher than white-on-white crime. Yes the vast majority of crime is intraracial. But the rates are hugely disproportionate given the percentage of population.

Does it make ANY sense that there are more black males killed than white males given the population disparity? It's not "proximity" as the author says. It's cultural.


10 posted on 07/15/2013 12:35:50 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: F15Eagle

Young black males are 1% of the population and responsible for 27% of homicides.


11 posted on 07/15/2013 12:37:27 PM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: Olog-hai

And this moron gets published : )


12 posted on 07/15/2013 12:37:45 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

(yawn) Yet more libtard drivel, of course.

But then again, what ELSE do they write?


13 posted on 07/15/2013 12:38:31 PM PDT by MarineDad (Wherever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits greatly!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

“The mind is a terrible thing to waste”


14 posted on 07/15/2013 12:38:33 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Along with the plethora of others like him.

He should probably walk Chicago’s streets and see if black-on-black crime is really a “myth”. Hope he can escape to tell about it.


15 posted on 07/15/2013 12:38:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: rockrr

Yeah, but this mind just seems to be a terrible thing.


16 posted on 07/15/2013 12:38:59 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Olog-hai

The boy needs to learn how to wear glasses.


17 posted on 07/15/2013 12:39:31 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: F15Eagle
Darryl Green, an aspiring decent kid, is murdered for refusing to join a gang. Trayvon Martin, an aspiring thug, is shot in self-defense for sucker-punching, breaking the nose and pounding a man's head into the pavement.

Both are about the same age and exactly the same race.

Guess which one gets all the attention from the racial grievance industry.

18 posted on 07/15/2013 12:39:36 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

The author is trying to make some weird point that when blacks kill other blacks it is not really black-on-black crime because . . . because why?


19 posted on 07/15/2013 12:39:57 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

20 posted on 07/15/2013 12:40:53 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Steve_Seattle

Because he doesn’t want it to be. Too bad; it is, and it isn’t anything else.


21 posted on 07/15/2013 12:40:57 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
as if there’s nothing racial already within the criminal-justice system

The only thing racial about the criminal justice system is that blacks commit crimes in numbers disproportionate to their population.

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The author of this spew is obviously of the Critical Race theory school of thought.

22 posted on 07/15/2013 12:41:43 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: Olog-hai
Thousands of young black people are murdered every year. Just do the math. How many blacks were witnessed or convicted of the murder vs how many whites.

Most of these murders happen in black neighborhoods. With that many murders, if the murderers were white, there'd have to be caravans of cars with whites hanging out, shooting everything in sight.

With the way the media ran with this story, every night on the news there'd be another story of a white caravan shooting.

23 posted on 07/15/2013 12:41:56 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

They keep looking for ways to justify keeping millions of people from taking responsibility for their criminal actions.

By blaming Whitey, they avoid admitting that their pathologies are self-inflicted.


24 posted on 07/15/2013 12:42:19 PM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: Olog-hai

” Hope he can escape to tell about it.”

Even odds....


25 posted on 07/15/2013 12:42:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Note that FBI statistics count Hispanics as white when they are perpetrators, but as Latinos when they are victims.


26 posted on 07/15/2013 12:42:34 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: rockrr; All
“The mind is a terrible thing to waste”

Obama Shovel

"A Mind Strong Back Is A Terrible Thing To Waste"


27 posted on 07/15/2013 12:43:18 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Olog-hai

You didn’t have to post that. We knew it already.

Also, there is no such thing as black on black crime??? I’m laughing, that’s so stupid and/or crazy


28 posted on 07/15/2013 12:46:23 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
The author is trying to make some weird point that when blacks kill other blacks it is not really black-on-black crime because . . . because why?

The author tries to make the point that blacks don't kill each other more than whites by arguing that blacks have a similar intra-race murder percentage as white people do. Meanwhile, the pinhead author completely ignores the total number of black people that other black people kill which is far, far higher than the total number of white people that other white people kill.

I hope that, for his sake, the author is being intentionally disingenuous because it's hard to imagine that he can be this stupid.

29 posted on 07/15/2013 12:47:45 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: ThomasMore
If it’s not black-on-black in Chicago then what is it?

His logic seems to be that white racism has created a situation whereby blacks live mainly around other blacks. Without racism, blacks could still kill people around them but then more of them would be white. And that would be fair and we all could hold hands...

30 posted on 07/15/2013 12:49:00 PM PDT by Rokurota
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
Mamelle, your math forgot to take into accout the following ... from your won quote .. 49% of murder victims are black men. 93% of those are killed by other blacks.

Black men make up 6- 6.5% of the total population ... and they are murdered at 8 times that rate ... by 93% black perps.

How is that NOT an avalance of black on black crime.

31 posted on 07/15/2013 12:49:16 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Olog-hai

Urkel?


32 posted on 07/15/2013 12:51:55 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: dforest
"Janelle must not have ever watched The First 48."

Exactly. And that's just a very small example of what is going on in cities all across the nation.

33 posted on 07/15/2013 12:54:11 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

The writer is correct in one unintended respect; it really is about proximity. The more that blacks and whites come into contact with one another, the more white victims there are of black perps. I don’t think the opposite can be shown in the same proportion.


34 posted on 07/15/2013 12:58:46 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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“...perceived politicization...”

Funny part of interpreting those statistics is the number of violent crimes committed by black people, who make up 15 percent of the population compared to the percentage of violent crimes committed by white people who make up 60 percent or so. When looked at like that, blacks not only commit more violent crimes on blacks, but they commit more violent crimes on everyone else, with growing competition from Hispanics. One need only look at racial percentages in our prisons to understand how lopsided it is. Some will look at that and say that is because of racial profiling, and others will look at it and correctly determine it’s a reason for racial profiling.


35 posted on 07/15/2013 12:59:54 PM PDT by pallis
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

I’m glad to hear that black-on-black crime is a myth. I won’t give it another thought. Carry on.


36 posted on 07/15/2013 1:02:15 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
The author tries to make the point that blacks don't kill each other more than whites by arguing that blacks have a similar intra-race murder percentage as white people do. Meanwhile, the pinhead author completely ignores the total number of black people that other black people kill which is far, far higher than the total number of white people that other white people kill.

Yes, it's a classic case of lying with statistics. The frequency of white victims per white criminal is roughly comparable to the frequency of black victims per black criminal. That's not what's relevant here.

What's relevant to the question of whether blacks are disproportionately criminal is how many violent felons there are per 100K blacks vs. how many violent felons there are per 100K whites.

There are about 7 times as many whites as there are blacks in America (keeping Hispanics in a separate category), while the total number of violent felonies committed by both groups is about the same. That means that on average, blacks commit about 7x as many violent felonies as whites.

37 posted on 07/15/2013 1:04:53 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

That 12% rate is deceptive. When you eliminate the elderly, children (ie real children, not teen gang-bangers), and, for the most part, women, the violence-prone black portion of the US population is far less than 12%.


38 posted on 07/15/2013 1:05:38 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Re: “8X higher than white-on-white crime.”

The numbers are actually worse than that.

Around 1990, the FBI decided to combine “whites” and “Hispanics” into one category.

The reason?

White and Hispanic crime rates are “approximately” the same, plus, many Hispanics call themselves white.

So, in spite of major violent crime activity by Hispanic gangs in California, New York City, and in many other major cities, ALL those crimes are attributed to “white” people!

39 posted on 07/15/2013 1:05:58 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Olog-hai
You forgot his hat !

             

40 posted on 07/15/2013 1:06:07 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: keats5

According to the article your number (1106) is wrong. It should be 11,106.


41 posted on 07/15/2013 1:08:07 PM PDT by scripter
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

“Myth”??? It’s no myth.


42 posted on 07/15/2013 1:08:36 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

If you check out the comments under the original article, not even the Liberals that read The Daily Beast are buying this steaming pile of an article.


43 posted on 07/15/2013 1:09:14 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: zeestephen
The numbers are actually worse than that. Around 1990, the FBI decided to combine “whites” and “Hispanics” into one category. The reason? White and Hispanic crime rates are “approximately” the same, plus, many Hispanics call themselves white. So, in spite of major violent crime activity by Hispanic gangs in California, New York City, and in many other major cities, ALL those crimes are attributed to “white” people!

This is correct, though I don't buy for a second that whites and hispanics commit violent crimes at approximately the same rate. While violent crime committed by Mexicans isn't as high as black violent crime in most areas, it is still far higher than what you see among white anglos. A quick look at the demographics of maximum security prisons shows a lot more black or brown faces relative to their numbers in the general population.

44 posted on 07/15/2013 1:14:42 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
America is afraid of black people, and that’s especially true—it seems—when it thinks they might be angry.

Not afraid, just utterly stupefied and exasperated that they have been angry for all of my 56 years, even after my family and I have repeatedly been pushed aside and penalized by minority preference programs, not to mention the countless tax dollars that have been ripped off from my income for the express purpose giving them the opportunities that they incessantly bitch about not having. Now Obama is deliberately wrecking our healthcare system and our country using, in part, them as an excuse.

I have REPEATEDLY done my part. It is LONG PAST HIGH TIME THE BLACK COMMUNITY DOES THEIR PART.

45 posted on 07/15/2013 1:15:00 PM PDT by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Trayvon Martin was a black Assault thug.


46 posted on 07/15/2013 1:15:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: null and void

Thanks for posting.

I wrote a similar white-Hispanic “perpetrator” post at Comment #39.

But, I was not aware that Latinos were singled out for special treatment as crime “victims.”


47 posted on 07/15/2013 1:16:07 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Bob
hen you eliminate the elderly, children (ie real children, not teen gang-bangers), and, for the most part, women, the violence-prone black portion of the US population is far less than 12%. What you say is true, so the correct comparison would be crime rates among white males between the ages of 14-60 and black males between the ages of 14-60. With that correction, the per capita crime rate among blacks would still be 5-10x that of whites.

children, not teen gang-bangers

Sadly, teen thugs are considered "children" by the legal system and by many in society. Trayvon Martin was repeatedly referred to as a "child," conjuring up the public image of him as a sweet, innocent little kid instead of a hulking, late adolescent hoodlum.

48 posted on 07/15/2013 1:19:33 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
But there’s a huge problem with attempt to shift the conversation: There’s no such thing as “black-on-black” crime. Yes, from 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders, but that racial exclusivity was also true for white victims of violent crime—86 percent were killed by white offenders. Indeed, for the large majority of crimes, you’ll find that victims and offenders share a racial identity, or have some prior relationship to each other.

Clever use of percentages to manipulate statistics.

But according to American Thinker:

In over 52% of the murders in the US in 2011 in which the race of the murderer was known, the murderer was black. Over half of the victims of murder were also black. But blacks are only 13.6% of the population. Put all that together, and the murder rate in the US for non-blacks was more like 2.6 per 100,000 in 2011.

So if you have a group making up 13.6% of the population and committing over 52% of the murders, 94% of which were against their own race...you do, in fact, have a black-on-black crime problem.
49 posted on 07/15/2013 1:22:08 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: ek_hornbeck
I agree.

However, I read through 4 published academic crime studies on Google, and there are statistics that support the general idea that Hispanic and white crime rates are about the same.

The big question, though, is how accurate and how rigorous are those studies?

Intuitively, and based just on Hispanic gang activity by itself, my instincts say “BULL!”

50 posted on 07/15/2013 1:27:39 PM PDT by zeestephen
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