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Scott Walker's actions left unions reeling
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 23 july 2013

Posted on 07/23/2013 5:07:35 AM PDT by rellimpank

Wisconsin's public employees are leaving their unions in droves, which should be no surprise: With passage of Act 10 in 2011, public unions in the Badger State lost many of their reasons for being.

The "budget-repair bill" pushed through the Legislature by Republicans and signed into law by Gov. Scott Walker limited bargaining to wages only, and then only up to the cost of living; it also required unions to recertify each year and barred the automatic collection of union dues.

Relying on federal financial records, the Journal Sentinel's Dan Bice found union membership has declined by 50% or more at some unions, including the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees District Council 48, which represents Milwaukee city and county workers. It has gone from more than 9,000 members and income exceeding $7 million in 2010 to about 3,500 members and a deep deficit by the end of last year.

Walker inherited a budget mess from the administration of former Gov. Jim Doyle. He was facing a sizable deficit and entrenched public sector unions that had big political power bases that they used to protect their members. That often put them at odds with both good government and overburdened taxpayers.

It was necessary to ask more of public workers — to have them pay a larger portion of their benefits. In particular, Walker needed to get control of spiraling health care benefits. But requiring annual certification and cutting out the payroll checkoff? That wasn't about fiscal issues. And if that wasn't political enough, the governor exempted police and firefighter unions from the act's strictures. Public safety workers often are the biggest cost for municipalities. Those unions, not surprisingly, were supporters of the governor.

(Excerpt) Read more at jsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: act10; afscme; danbice; elections2016; jimdoyle; milwaukee; scottwalker; unions; walker; wisconsin
---another laughable "opinion" piece by the same folks who write the J-S anti-gun stuff--
1 posted on 07/23/2013 5:07:35 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
It takes a while for the true effects to be felt but eventually you get the desired results.


2 posted on 07/23/2013 5:10:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rellimpank

Any idea criticized by “an associate professor from Marquette University” - translation: a moon-lighting lawyer - has to be a superb idea.


3 posted on 07/23/2013 5:11:44 AM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: rellimpank
The "budget-repair bill" pushed through the Legislature by Republicans and signed into law by Gov. Scott Walker limited bargaining to wages only, and then only up to the cost of living; it also required unions to recertify each year and barred the automatic collection of union dues.

This is the biggie! When people actually have to write that check each month it suddenly becomes real to them. Every state, every city needs to do this and congress needs to pass it for federal workers as well.

4 posted on 07/23/2013 5:20:18 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: rellimpank

Reeling to explain away how they’ve been fleecing taxpayers that is..


5 posted on 07/23/2013 5:21:58 AM PDT by Track9 (hey Kalid.. kalid.. bang you're dead)
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To: rellimpank

If we could get even 20% of Republicans to stand on principle like Scott Walker did, we could begin setting this nation in the right direction.


6 posted on 07/23/2013 5:22:09 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: rellimpank

“Republicans executed their political coup at great cost to the state’s political climate and by weakening strong voices for workers. Only time will tell if the savings that school districts and municipalities have realized will continue over the long haul. Only time will tell if the service cuts and slimmer employee rolls are a good thing, on balance, or not.”

Then why did the employees leave the unions in droves? Because they could, they were no longer forced to be union members and pay the dues and they saw no value in the unions.

And hopefully, unions can’t just take from the state treasury anymore. So one special interest of the democrat party defeated by union members.


7 posted on 07/23/2013 5:22:26 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: McGavin999

I agree. All unions should be forced to collect their own dues.

Its one of the good things that Dave Bing tried to do in Detroit but the courts stepped in and stopped it.


8 posted on 07/23/2013 5:24:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hoodat

But that would require all the Nancys at stewardess school to grow sets of balls. Don’t see that happening in the near future.


9 posted on 07/23/2013 5:24:43 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: rellimpank

In the process, Gov. Walker may have saved the pension system from going belly up, as it has in Chicago. Where’s the thanks he gets for making the hard choices now to prevent bankruptcy later? Leftists have no brains.


10 posted on 07/23/2013 5:24:55 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: rellimpank
Republicans executed their political coup at great cost to the state's political climate and by weakening strong voices for workers.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..... inhale .... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..... inhale .... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..... inhale .... whew.

Let me be the first to say it ... how does that go again ... oh, yeah

Elections have consequences.

11 posted on 07/23/2013 5:25:27 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: McGavin999
When people actually have to write that check each month it suddenly becomes real to them.

True. And the same goes for withholding of income taxes from our paychecks.

People would be a LOT more critical of government spending if they took the time to physically make the payment.

12 posted on 07/23/2013 5:26:25 AM PDT by kidd
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To: rellimpank; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel attempts to explain Act 10

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


13 posted on 07/23/2013 5:27:15 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: McGavin999
When people actually have to write that check each month it suddenly becomes real to them.
If people had to sit down once a month to write checks for their federal taxes, state taxes, county taxes, town taxes, school taxes, etc., there would be another Revolution in less than 90 days.
14 posted on 07/23/2013 5:29:40 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: rellimpank

It’
s pretty simple really. If the Union dues are $50 dollars a month and you are allowed to quit the Union, you get a $50 dollar a month pay raise.

Unions love to take the dues right out of your pay, that way you don’t even know it.


15 posted on 07/23/2013 5:46:36 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: rellimpank
And if that wasn't political enough, the governor exempted police and firefighter unions from the act's strictures. Public safety workers often are the biggest cost for municipalities. Those unions, not surprisingly, were supporters of the governor.

The guy has a point here. Cops and firemen unions should not be exempt.

16 posted on 07/23/2013 5:47:09 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: oh8eleven
If people had to sit down once a month to write checks for their federal taxes, state taxes, county taxes, town taxes, school taxes, etc., there would be another Revolution in less than 90 days.

Not likely. So few of us actually pay taxes. Those of us who do know very well how much we're paying.

17 posted on 07/23/2013 5:48:28 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: rellimpank

Scott Walker’s actions left unions reeling


Not unions. Rather, “Public employee unions.” The PEOPLE’S employees. The state has a right to choose how it deals with the unions representing the people that work for it.


18 posted on 07/23/2013 5:50:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cripplecreek

Its a start—but there are many other states that need to follow this lead. For the good of the nation—the unions must be broken and their power limited. Their day is done. They feed upon the host like a super leech —until the host dies. They killed the Twinkie, Hollywood and Detroit. But these will come back once the leech is removed or kept from sucking the life from these once great things.


19 posted on 07/23/2013 5:50:20 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: McGavin999

...and barred the automatic collection of union dues.
This is the biggie! When people actually have to write that check each month it suddenly becomes real to them. Every state, every city needs to do this and congress needs to pass it for federal workers as well.


And now if we could do the same thing with the federal income tax.


20 posted on 07/23/2013 5:51:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

I knew it was a longshot.


21 posted on 07/23/2013 5:56:24 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: McGavin999

Similarly, if people had to write a check each month for their taxes instead of having them automatically taken out of their paycheck, we’d soon see a tax revolt.


22 posted on 07/23/2013 6:00:00 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Well we did pass the right to work law in Michigan but it takes time for contracts to expire. Teacher’s unions are really scrambling now and its fun to watch.


23 posted on 07/23/2013 6:01:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: old and tired

All of this could have been avoided if it’s union members would have attended, or stormed, their union meetings and demanded a vote to do all of these things, but they were cowered into silence or too lazy..


24 posted on 07/23/2013 6:02:50 AM PDT by carlo3b (Speechless in Sugar Land)
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To: McGavin999
This is the biggie! When people actually have to write that check each month it suddenly becomes real to them. Every state, every city needs to do this and congress needs to pass it for federal workers as well.

Yes this is a biggie. IF we keep the federal income tax, then this method should be used to pay taxes. Write a monthly or annual check. While that only changes the method of collection it would have game-changing effects on government spending.

25 posted on 07/23/2013 6:02:59 AM PDT by Principled
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To: rellimpank
It has gone from more than 9,000 members and income exceeding $7 million in 2010 to about 3,500 members and a deep deficit by the end of last year.

Given a choice, these former members don't want to pay union dues and be a member of a corrupt organization. What really hurt the unions was the elimination of mandatory collection of dues by the government.

26 posted on 07/23/2013 6:03:38 AM PDT by kabar
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To: old and tired

A smart Pubbie would come back a couple of years later after the law had demonstrated major beneficial effects and get them included.

Incrementalism works. It’s why the Dems use it.


27 posted on 07/23/2013 6:10:36 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: rellimpank

People always talk about the demographic trends in the growth of the Democrat voter base but if the trend continues in the reduction of public sector union membership will that reduce the number of Democrat votes in the future even more?


28 posted on 07/23/2013 6:11:42 AM PDT by Helotes
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In Chicago, Rahm Emmanuel capitulated to teachers’ union unreasonable—for a broke city—demands for a 16 percent raise over four years. Two months later. the mayor was forced to lay off 2,000 school employees, including 1,000 teachers. Strangely, we don't see local or imported mobs besieging Emmanuel. Walker furloughed no employees and was under siege for weeks.
29 posted on 07/23/2013 6:13:28 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: rellimpank
FTA: "Walker can deny that he wanted to weaken public sector unions but whatever his motivation, that's what has happened."

Er, Walker has no control over union membership numbers nor does he want it.

Walker has simply demonstrated that union membership and funding is the product of coercion, a closed shop, etc.

It seems that individuals are making their own economic choices and the free market is producing a point of equilibrium - again. Naturally, this infuriates the Marxists.

30 posted on 07/23/2013 6:16:29 AM PDT by relictele (A community vigilant in enforcing economic, racial and social equality. It was called Jonestown.)
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To: relictele
Scott Walker is the only person in the US that I can see who is qualified to be president and work on the mess left by the present administration. The ONLY person.

Cruz, Rand, Issa, Doc Carson would be a great cabinet and wonderful leadership.

But the only person I see with PROVEN qualifications is Scott Walker.

31 posted on 07/23/2013 6:31:21 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: oh8eleven

days? I’d say minutes.


32 posted on 07/23/2013 6:36:32 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I get the feeling that this one thing is going to be a major issue in Governor Walker’s re-election bid come 2014. The liberal pukes and unionistas in this state are already working overtime to defeat him.

Good Luck with that, Losers. :)


33 posted on 07/23/2013 6:41:40 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: rellimpank
Amazing !

Asking an entity / organization to stand on its own merits. What a concept.

No sane thinking person should be shocked by the outcome of this process. Unions are mufleeches, and this is just one more proof point.

34 posted on 07/23/2013 6:53:51 AM PDT by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe)
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To: ChildOfThe60s; old and tired

A smart Pubbie would come back a couple of years later after the law had demonstrated major beneficial effects and get them included.

Incrementalism works. It’s why the Dems use it.”

Absolutely correct !!! This is how he got it passed in the first place. Divide and conquer. Darn unionistas are STILL whining here in Packerland. And I might add, it’s a beautiful sight. haa.


35 posted on 07/23/2013 6:56:43 AM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: McGavin999
This is the biggie! When people actually have to write that check each month it suddenly becomes real to them. Every state, every city needs to do this and congress needs to pass it for federal workers as well.

Walker needs to finish the work and extend the same policies to the police and fire unions as well.

36 posted on 07/23/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: rellimpank

How about a Walker-Haley ticket in 2016? Two governors, one from a Democrat northern state.....I think it has potential.


37 posted on 07/23/2013 7:11:32 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: old and tired

I think you would be surprised how many actual tax-payers don’t have a clue how much they pay.

A friend of mine does tax returns for a mutual friend. This mutual friend has no real understanding as to how he may be able to reduce his tax burden. He and his wife have 2 year community college degrees, and I bet they make about 200k per year (work in IT). They just want nothing to do with politics...means they voted for Obama.


38 posted on 07/23/2013 7:22:14 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: rellimpank

Dems are big on “freedom of choice” unless of course that freedom includes union membership or living wherever you want. The Milwaukee city council just voted to cut pay to empoloyees who move out of Milwaukee.


39 posted on 07/23/2013 9:56:15 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: kabar

Yes, my FRiend, think of how infuriating it is to have to belong to a union just because you have a certain job, and then they take a portion of your salary without your say so—but at worst—then spend it on policies and politicians you want nothing to do with.

Image a Wisconsin state worker from a couple of years ago, a devote Catholic, and the union is spending his confiscated money promoting politicians who are in favor of unrestricted abortion—in other words, baby killers, like Obama, who even voted against restriction for partial-birth abortion (a true horror) and letting a viable fetus die.

The only moral thing any government can do is to protect this person’s right NOT to be associated with such politics. It is, to coin a phrase from our Grand American Revolution, “Taxation (union dues taken out) without representation (high-ranking union members donating millions to Leftists, without rank-and-file agreement in any way).


40 posted on 07/23/2013 10:20:55 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: relictele

It’s no less than Tyranny for those workers—especially those who disagree with the union’s politics and political donations. Walker’s turning off the coerced dues is no less than Liberty for them.

No American should support coerced dues—unless the union is prohibited from politics completely.


41 posted on 07/23/2013 10:26:19 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Well said.


42 posted on 07/23/2013 10:50:07 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ChildOfThe60s

true.

(but I bet he won’t.)


43 posted on 07/23/2013 10:57:41 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: ADSUM

We don’t have to wait to see the results - look at Detroit, there’s your answer!


44 posted on 07/23/2013 12:49:01 PM PDT by Lake Living
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks rellimpank.
...the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees District Council 48... has gone from more than 9,000 members and income exceeding $7 million in 2010 to about 3,500 members and a deep deficit... Walker inherited a budget mess from the administration of former Gov. Jim Doyle... Walker needed to get control of spiraling health care benefits... the governor exempted police and firefighter unions from the act's strictures. Public safety workers often are the biggest cost for municipalities. Those unions, not surprisingly, were supporters of the governor.

45 posted on 07/23/2013 8:39:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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