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Top GOP donors tell party to legalize illegal immigrants
The Washington Times ^ | 7-30-2013

Posted on 07/30/2013 11:11:46 AM PDT by markomalley

Nearly a hundred top Republican officials sent a letter to the House GOP on Tuesday urging lawmakers to pass a bill that legalizes illegal immigrants, arguing that the current system is already allowing them to stay and so it makes sense to register them and bring them into the system.

The donors, led by former Bush administration Cabinet officials Carlos Gutierrez and Spencer Abraham, also said that immigrants are potential Republican voters who can be won over — if the party can be seen as welcoming to immigrants.

“Doing nothing is de facto amnesty. We need to take control of whom we let in our country and we need to make sure everybody plays by the same rules,” the donors said in their letter.

They aimed their pitch at House Republicans, who are trying to figure out a way forward and find themselves trapped between angry rank-and-file voters who say legalizing illegal immigrants amounts to amnesty, and party elites and donors who say the GOP cannot survive nationally without embracing legalization as part of a strategy to win over Hispanic voters.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; aliens; amnesty; carlosgutierrez; gutierrez; illegals; lobbyists; potentialdemocrats; potentialrepublicans; shamnesty; spencerabraham; stupidparty; undocumenteddems; unregistereddems; wronganswer; wrongissue
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To: markomalley
"The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil."

America's Party
'We're partisans only for principle.'

51 posted on 07/30/2013 12:45:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Popman
The last call I got from a Tea Party group, the person who called spoke of the wonderful Senators they supported from FL and AZ. Huh????....then I said I won't vote for a traitorous organization that doesn't condemn politicians they supported who voted to legalize invaders instead of sending them home.

The by then babbling person said "it's only one issue". He didn't even know that the "tea party" started with brave US citizens checking the border with binoculors themselves when the feds kept letting them down!

"tea party" has been so corrupted that they don't even know anymore what they're supposed to stand for.

52 posted on 07/30/2013 12:45:39 PM PDT by grania
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To: markomalley

“We need to take control of whom we let in our country and we need to make sure everybody plays by the same rules,”

Why?

You dont want to do that now.

F*cking idiots.


53 posted on 07/30/2013 12:47:41 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: markomalley

NO


54 posted on 07/30/2013 12:48:34 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: markomalley; All

The inertia of the RINO Wing mindset of the Republican Party has kept the Welfare Democrats in power after the National defeats of Dole, McCain and Romney.

One would think that those 3 painful losses would be called an “out” by the Republican Party.

What has happened is that the Republican faithful just chalk them up to 3 foul balls.

What is lacking is the desire to judge each action or inaction on the merit of whether or not it is good for the Country.

As a result, our political system has been in the Roman end times where the decadent rulers just try to appease the masses by giving them “stuff.”

Our “stuff” is the Welfare Borrow and Spend Shadow Federal Government that consumes 40 % of the Total Federal Government spending.

We beat our chests and complain about our high taxes that go to pay for this Welfare Shadow Government.

The truth is that not one penny of our taxes goes to pay for Welfare, as ALL of Welfare is financed by borrowing from our Grandchildren’s descendants.

Thus, we have two Federal Governments: one that is financed mainly by income from those 54 % who still pay Personal Federal Income Taxes, and the other financed by debt which must be repaid with interest by our Grandchildren’s descendants.

None of the above is recognized as being valid by those that we elect to govern us.

If the economic reality cannot be clearly communicated to our sorry Federal Politicians, then the Financial Markets will do so at the worst possible time.

________

My second point is that of leadership. This is a generational topic, and thus difficult to analyze.

History will show that the Post-WW2 generations in America produced poorly motivated patriotic political leaders, with few exceptions.

History will also show that we, as a Nation, lack the will to punish our politicians who violate the ethics, morality, financial obligations or the written Laws of our Nation.

For example, who was the last US President who went to jail for violating his oath of Office for violating the US Constitution? BTW, he/she would be the next one and also be the first.

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The third point is the desire to fail. RINOs are masters at it, and for that reason have kept (for FIVE YEARS) as their Speaker of the US House none other than John “Cave-In” Boehner.

With Sobber John at the helm, there will be no Special Investigation of the Benghazi Massacre, IRS harassment of Welfare Democrat opponents, legal pursuit of Contempt of the House AG Holder, or year to year reduction in Total Federal Spending, etc.

B. Hussein Obama’s legacy will remain intact and in effect as long as “Cave-In” Boehner is kept as Speaker by the sorry House RINOs.

RINOs have their defenses up to label as “Wacko,” “dangerous,” or “radical” any challenge to their dedicated goal of failing to act in the best interests of the Country, and to always Cave-In to the Welfare Democrats.

Blackmail to them is a badge of honor, as they laugh their way to a gold-plated retirement paid for by the debt that they have created.

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BTW, think about the above comments the next time that someone tries to con you into believing that “we Americans still have a Federal Government that we can be proud of.”


55 posted on 07/30/2013 12:55:15 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: markomalley; All

Now we know that illegal alien invasion was a cornerstone of GWB’s “Compassionate Conservatism.”

____________________________

Our tolerance for debt-based welfare to immigrants is equal to our tolerance for the debt that we are willing to pass onto our children and grandchildren.

Reduce our tolerance for debt-based Federal Programs, and our tolerance for immigration will also be reduced.

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Our Southern Border is under the control of Mexican Drug Gangs. An illegal attempt by AG Holder to challenge their grip failed with Fast and Furious.

Obama has allowed INS officials to increase the number of “got-aways” and to decrease the number of illegal alien invaders actually caught.

Gullible News outlets, such as The Wall Street Journal routinely run articles quoting Obamanation statistics that numbers of captured illegal alien invaders are down, and thus there is no such thing as the surge of illegal alien invaders from Mexico and other Southern Hemisphere Socialist Countries.

Most News outlets refuse to come to our Southern Border to document their obviously false assertions.

Most State Politicians cower when our sorry NINE SUPREMES dictate that the State has no authority to protect itself from illegal alien invaders.

As long as THE NINE SUPREMES have 4 Socialist Judges, there will always be a high risk that some gullible Judge from the Majority will cross over to the dark side and continue the destruction of our US Constitution as the signature accomplishment of the US Welfare State. Traitor John Roberts’ support of Obama’care’ is the most horrific example.

Thus, it is incumbent upon those of us who still value the US Constitution to oppose the dark side, what we now call Obamanation.

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The purpose of passing a Federal “reform” immigration bill this year is to allow illegal alien invaders from Mexico, and other Central and South American Socialist Countries, to vote for Socialist-Democrats and appeasing RINOs in the 2014 and 2016 USA National Elections for more debt-generating welfare to future illegal alien invaders to become future Socialist-Democrat voters.

These future Socialist-Democrat voters should be called “McCain-Rubio Democrats,” as no other Senators have done more to encourage gullible RINOs to appease and otherwise cave-in to debt-dependent Democrats than these two sorry RINO Senators.

Stand your ground, FReepers! Raise the Gadsden Battle Flag!

It is us against the gullible supporters of Obamanation!

For example:

While Rubio and his Eight Senate Gangsters put out political smoke and mirrors to “get a bill passed this year,” nothing they have said will change the basic problem of aliens illegally invading the USA.

The Basic Problem: Illegal aliens invade the USA for Welfare and Wages.

Solutions that address the Basic Problem:

1.) End the Anchor Baby Law.

2.) End the Hospital Emergency Room No Payment Law (EMTALA).

3.) End ANY other Welfare to Aliens.

4.) Fine US employers $1,000 per day per employee who is an alien.

5.) Spend NO money on “securing the border.” It is a bottomless money pit.

6.) Spend money on Chainlink/ Concertina wire desert prisons for the EXISTING Federal Law for a mandatory 6 month imprisonment for repeat offenders who have invaded our Country more than once.

7.) Transfer Border Invasion Enforcement to the US National Guard in each State, and thus under the control of the Governor of each State. The less Federal involvement, the better.

8.) Repeal all State and Federal Laws that prohibit voter officials and Police from requesting proof of US Citizenship for any reason what so ever.

9.) Be as hostile to all illegal alien invaders as we should be to all Federal politicians and Federal Judges who vote for or support another Ted Kennedy-style amnesty bill with no significant Federal enforcement.

Contact your local TEA Party, and plan to kick the sorry RINOs and even sorrier Democrats out of Congress in 2014!

It is all about the money FReepers, YOUR tax money.


56 posted on 07/30/2013 12:57:32 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: markomalley

They’re making their choice...time for a conservative party, as the GOP ain’t it.

**
Amen!


57 posted on 07/30/2013 12:57:42 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: txhurl

We need to know which exact companies they represent and boycott the hell out of them.

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Please ping me if someone puts up the list.


58 posted on 07/30/2013 12:59:35 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: Gaffer

You ‘rich’ donors are traitors. You should be ashamed and slink on off to whatever haven you’ve built because your dead to me.

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I second that!


59 posted on 07/30/2013 1:00:50 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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Free Republic stands for God and Country!!
Stand with Free Republic.

60 posted on 07/30/2013 1:01:33 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: Popman

When they call here, I tell them to put me on their “don’t call” list. The poor phone bank caller has probably not been given a vehicle by her employer for conveying your feedback.


61 posted on 07/30/2013 1:03:42 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: markomalley

I’m done with the GOP. Let the party die. Fight locally.

I don’t think I’ll even bother to vote in the future. If living in the most conservative county in TN and the most conservative district represented by Marsha Blackburn (who sold out to the GOPe and Boehner/Cantor) gets me treated like this, why bother?


62 posted on 07/30/2013 1:03:54 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Note to the NSA: I approved this dissention. What are you going to do about it Punks?)
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To: Lazamataz

When states lost their rights, the people lost them too.


63 posted on 07/30/2013 1:05:13 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Gaffer

How can they (members of both parties) sell cheap labor and, at the same time, want to raise the minimum wage? Republicans always cave to the Dems on it.

Wake up America! You can’t have both cheap, illegal labor and keep raising the minimum wage and put unskilled (public educated kids) out of work anywhere.

What a scam. Belize? Belirus? Costa Rica? Panama? John Galt’s place? I’m looking!!


64 posted on 07/30/2013 1:07:06 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Note to the NSA: I approved this dissention. What are you going to do about it Punks?)
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To: Vigilanteman

If I were looking for new family members to adopt, I don’t think those who broke into my house would be at the top of the list.

&&&
Post of the day — maybe even the whole month.


65 posted on 07/30/2013 1:07:12 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: jimbo123

Thanks for the list. I never heard of 99% of the companies that appear there. But Overstock? I love Overstock. Oh, well, nice knowing you, Overstock....


66 posted on 07/30/2013 1:14:36 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: Gaffer

The list is in post 40.


67 posted on 07/30/2013 1:16:58 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: markomalley

Get that list of donors and hand it over to ICE.


68 posted on 07/30/2013 1:18:57 PM PDT by Slambat
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I would consider anyone who got amnesty to be not a citizen or American. I would ask questions of anyone who I thought got amnesty and not do business with them or socialize with them. Make them outcasts.


69 posted on 07/30/2013 1:20:21 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: markomalley

Get rid of the GOP.


70 posted on 07/30/2013 1:20:37 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: grania
The last call I got from a Tea Party group, the person who called spoke of the wonderful Senators they supported from FL and AZ. Huh????...

I would bet dollars to donuts that is really a front group for the GOPe soliciting funds in the name of the Tea Party...

I have never once gotten a solicitation call from a Tea party organization...

71 posted on 07/30/2013 1:21:33 PM PDT by Popman
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To: markomalley
These idiots. There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. There are immigrants and then there are illegal aliens. Immigrants comply with immigration laws -the LAWS don't comply with them.

Is the US "rule of law" or rule of lawbreaker?

72 posted on 07/30/2013 1:24:15 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: markomalley
Top GOP donors tell party to legalize illegal immigrants

Legalize?

Have the illegal aliens register for a work visa, with no pathway to citizenship, no illegal voting, and no access to entitlements or government benefits. We've had lots of people come here to work who didn't intend to screw up our politics.

Immigration & Tax Law Definitions

How to Determine Residency for Tax Purposes

The "Green Card" Test

The Substantial Presence Test

Immigration and Tax Law Definitions

The information in this section is provided as a general guide on residence status for U.S. tax purposes. Please note that there are significant differences between the definitions of residence status for immigration law purposes and for tax law purposes.

Immigration Law

A non-resident alien for immigration purposes is a person who is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the U.S. and who has been admitted to the U.S. for a temporary stay that will end when the purpose of that stay has been met. Individuals in non-immigrant visa status have visas which begin with letters: B, F, J, TN, H, L, O, etc.

A resident alien for immigration purposes is the same as an immigrant, a lawful permanent resident (a "green card" holder) who is not a U.S. citizen but has been authorized to live and work in the U.S. indefinitely.

Tax Law

A non-resident alien for tax purposes is a non-U.S. citizen or permanent resident who, during his or her stay in the U.S., either pays U.S. tax only on income from sources inside the U.S., or is exempted from paying U.S. income tax because of a treaty between the U.S. and the government of his/her country of residence. With a few exceptions most non-resident aliens are not eligible to take tax exemptions for dependents. A non-resident alien for tax purposes must file an income tax return on IRS FORM 1040NR or 1040NR EZ, U.S. Nonresident Alien Income Tax Return.

A resident alien for tax purposes must pay tax to the U.S. government on income from all sources worldwide and may, in certain limited circumstances, enjoy benefits of tax treaty exemptions. Individuals who are resident aliens for tax purposes can claim exemptions for dependents. A resident alien for tax purposes files a return on IRS FORM 1040, 1040A, OR 1040EZ.

Categories established for immigration purposes do not necessarily coincide with those set up for tax purposes. Under certain circumstances, a non-resident alien for immigration purposes may be classified as a resident for tax purposes. Thus, students and scholars who are not citizens of the United States must take care to determine whether they are resident or non-resident aliens for tax purposes. Only then will they know how their income will be taxed and which income tax return form to file. For current information on tax laws regarding resident and non-resident aliens, consult IRS publications 513, 515, 519 and 901.

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How to Determine Residency for Tax Purposes

A resident for tax purposes is a person who is a U.S. citizen or a foreign national who meets either the "green card" or "substantial presence" test as described in IRS Publication 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens.

In general:

A non-resident for tax purposes is a person who is not a U.S. citizen and who does not meet either the "green card" or the "substantial presence" test as described in IRS Publication 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens.

In general:

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The "Green Card Test"

Lawful permanent residents of the U.S. are considered to be residents for tax purposes. A person has this status if he/she has been granted resident status by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) and/or has been issued an alien registration card, also known as a "green card".

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The "Substantial Presence Test"

A foreign national in non-immigrant visa status may be considered a resident for tax purposes as soon as he/she meets the "substantial presence" test for a calendar year (January 1 to December 31). To meet this test, the person must be physically present in the U.S. on at least:

Days That Are Not Counted:

A foreign national will not meet the "substantial presence" test if:

IRS Publication 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens, provides details on what is required to establish a closer connection to a foreign country, including such things as the location of a person's permanent home, family, personal belongings, etc.


73 posted on 07/30/2013 1:24:29 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: markomalley; ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; ...

Ohio PIng
They are faced with a choice between conservatives and illegals. They’re making their choice...time for a conservative party, as the GOP ain’t it.


74 posted on 07/30/2013 1:27:08 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: markomalley

Cui bono?


75 posted on 07/30/2013 1:37:11 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: markomalley

it makes sense to register them and bring them into the system
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No, it doesn’t! Not if they’ll vote against your beliefs for the next 30-40 years.

These are the “leaders” you get when you elect Bushes.

This party is really screwed.


76 posted on 07/30/2013 1:48:20 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: 1010RD

Chamber of Commerce

Rich Republicans, who like cheap labor

Home builders

Democrats take over political offices permanently.


77 posted on 07/30/2013 1:51:05 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: markomalley

Dan Quayle and Karl Rove are on the list.


78 posted on 07/30/2013 1:57:56 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: iacovatx

“The big donors don’t control a lot of votes.”

True.

However, legislators, members of Congress, county commissioners, etc. tend to have better hearing when the person speaking to them is speaking in $$$ and not as to what the best policy actually is.


79 posted on 07/30/2013 2:27:16 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: markomalley

Where can we get a list of these donors? They could be made to regret this.


80 posted on 07/30/2013 3:19:26 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Lets send them packing!

Republicans have stepped on my last nerve!

SEEYA!


81 posted on 07/30/2013 3:42:18 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: markomalley

Are these the
“parity donors” who give to both sides.

this is a bs story.


82 posted on 07/30/2013 3:53:41 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: markomalley
Nearly a hundred top Republican officials sent a letter to the House GOP on Tuesday

I'd like to see that list........

83 posted on 07/30/2013 4:05:10 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: Hot Tabasco

Time for the Freedom Party...inside the GOP...we pick a candidate to run against the RINO..we always split the vote..


84 posted on 07/30/2013 6:55:40 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Bigg Red

Just think of everything you buy everyday and it and its finished product, i.e, lettuce, tomatoes, fast-food hamburgers, chicken, all that. Landscaping and remodeling companies. Target.


85 posted on 07/30/2013 7:05:03 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: Zhang Fei

I also noticed alot of Utah groups including Romney connections....

Romney would have knifed us in the Back......

No more Mormons for me,....They are Rinos.

Getting rich on the backs of illegals.


86 posted on 07/30/2013 8:19:52 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: stephenjohnbanker

A person has to believe a ‘new world order’ suits the Bush crowd very much. USA oil is not part of this/that.


87 posted on 07/30/2013 8:35:14 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: jimbo123

Pennsylvania’s own Bob Asher and Tom Ridge are on the list I see......


88 posted on 07/30/2013 9:23:32 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Hot Tabasco

See post #40 with all the names like “Karl Rove” and many, many more......


89 posted on 07/30/2013 9:25:10 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Bigg Red

Overstock AND Melaleuca. Nice knowing ‘em. Final straw.


90 posted on 07/30/2013 9:30:25 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: markomalley

I guess the RNC no longer needs donations from their FORMER base. They can manage to survive with $$ from the Amnesty lovers/Traitors...like Karl Rove, Dan Quayle, Carlos Gutierrez, et al.


91 posted on 07/30/2013 9:34:41 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: markomalley
They are faced with a choice between conservatives and illegals. They're making their choice...time for a conservative party, as the GOP ain't it.

It's not surprising - in Texas, I'm faced with the fact that the two biggest donors to Republicans, well one of them is dead now, but the two biggest donors to the Republicans were a home builder and a grocery store chain owner, and it was crystal clear to a lot of us why our Governor and legislature was so friendly to an amnesty/guest worker program, the Dream stuff, etc. The home builder is dead, so it remains to be seen how that will influence things.
92 posted on 07/30/2013 11:29:14 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: jimbo123

Look at the names of traitorous RINOS, on that list, including business folks, (of course).

Standing out for all to see: Karl Rove.


93 posted on 07/31/2013 2:22:17 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: markomalley

Do nothing until Republicans control the Congress. And I mean conservatives Republicans.


94 posted on 07/31/2013 2:26:43 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: markomalley

“The donors, led by former Bush administration Cabinet officials Carlos Gutierrez and Spencer Abraham, also said that immigrants are potential Republican voters who can be won over — if the party can be seen as welcoming to immigrants.”

Bullshit. They will never vote in large numbers for Repubs. Maybe these idiots can tell us how the level of Hispanic support for George H.W. Bush rocketed “up” to 31% in 1988 (Reagan got 37% in ‘84), just two years after the passage of the 1986 amnesty.

Hispanics generally like big-government programs, such as Obamacare. No amount if destructive pandering will win them over.


95 posted on 07/31/2013 2:36:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Coming Soon to An Election Near You: Sarah Palin’s Right Wing ‘Freedom Party’”

That can’t come soon enough. Though I think migrating to an already-existing organization like the Constitution Party would be more effective. The infrastructure already is in place.


96 posted on 07/31/2013 2:40:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: markomalley

The GOP is dead anyways. There’s precious few leaders with cojones and the ones who do would fit in perfectly with a Freedom Party.


97 posted on 07/31/2013 3:50:20 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Gaffer

The reason the defacto amnesty argument can be made is because the federal government from top to bottom has been refusing to do its job to protect our borders.

In a way, it’s like someone not paying their mortgage or rent for several months, then telling the bank or the landlord, “Under the present system, we already have a mortgage/rent free arrangement.”

Duh.


98 posted on 07/31/2013 3:53:55 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Bush.......the gift that keeps on giving.

Ever since the Country Club Rockefeller Republicans shoved Poppy onto Renauldus Magnus' ticket in 1980.

99 posted on 07/31/2013 4:11:58 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: markomalley

The GOP may have to get smaller before it ever gets bigger.


100 posted on 07/31/2013 4:12:33 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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