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FBI pressures Internet providers to install surveillance software
c|net ^ | Aug 2, 2013 | by Declan McCullagh

Posted on 08/03/2013 10:40:40 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

CNET has learned the FBI has developed custom "port reader" software to intercept Internet metadata in real time. And, in some cases, it wants to force Internet providers to use the software.

The U.S. government is quietly pressuring telecommunications providers to install eavesdropping technology deep inside companies' internal networks to facilitate surveillance efforts.

FBI officials have been sparring with carriers, a process that has on occasion included threats of contempt of court, in a bid to deploy government-provided software capable of intercepting and analyzing entire communications streams. The FBI's legal position during these discussions is that the software's real-time interception of metadata is authorized under the Patriot Act.

Attempts by the FBI to install what it internally refers to as "port reader" software, which have not been previously disclosed, were described to CNET in interviews over the last few weeks. One former government official said the software used to be known internally as the "harvesting program."

Carriers are "extra-cautious" and are resisting installation of the FBI's port reader software, an industry participant in the discussions said, in part because of the privacy and security risks of unknown surveillance technology operating on an sensitive internal network.

It's "an interception device by definition," said the industry participant, who spoke on condition of anonymity because court proceedings are sealed. "If magistrates knew more, they would approve less." It's unclear whether any carriers have installed port readers, and at least one is actively opposing the installation.

In a statement from a spokesman, the FBI said it has the legal authority to use alternate methods to collect Internet metadata, including source and destination IP addresses: "In circumstances where a provider is unable to comply with a court order utilizing its own technical solution(s), law enforcement may offer to provide technical assistance...

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To: Jim Robinson

We need to coordinate an attack with keywords that will make them go batsh!t.

A few million people on any given day just bombarding them with false look ups. Make the system worthless.

F U B O !! F U NSA!!


41 posted on 08/03/2013 2:03:56 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: null and void
>"Isn't that the very definition of TERRORISM?"

Debt to America

Death to America

The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force. JQA


Indonesian Go Home

42 posted on 08/03/2013 2:04:20 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: rawcatslyentist
CORRECTION:

Indonesian Go Home to Kenya!


43 posted on 08/03/2013 2:07:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Silly 4th Amendment. Those Founders were such lovable rubes.


44 posted on 08/03/2013 3:44:38 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: familyop; jimjohn

TOR is fine as far as it goes, but it relies on existing networks, protocols, and infrastructure. What jimjohn is saying is that a completely separate communication network is needed. One that can’t (easily) be compromised or monitored.


45 posted on 08/03/2013 5:01:51 PM PDT by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: Jim Robinson
FBI officials have been sparring with carriers, a process that has on occasion included threatsof contempt of court...

in a bid to deploy government-provided software capable of intercepting and analyzing entire communications streams. The FBI's legal position during these discussions is that the software's real-time interception of metadata is authorized under the Patriot Act.

Coercion and a gun to the head of ISPs is illegal and itself a violation of the RICO Act which arguably supersedes the illegality of the Patriot Act.

Who knew 9/11 would lead to literally undressing our liberties and rights in the name of "security" AND celebrating the "Religion of Peace"?

46 posted on 08/03/2013 5:39:19 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Revolting cat!
"Indonesian Go Home to Kenya!"

But...I thought that wuz Chicago Hades??

47 posted on 08/03/2013 5:42:09 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: WildSnail

Meshnet is a starting point but requires independent long distance connections between local networks.


48 posted on 08/03/2013 5:48:56 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Ozark Tom; familyop; WildSnail

wonder what it would take either
a) create a 20 meter ham network or
b) get out own satellite launched into orbit?

We need some of that good ‘ol American out of the box thinking.


49 posted on 08/03/2013 6:28:44 PM PDT by jimjohn
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To: jimjohn; Ozark Tom; WildSnail

The following can be done in any of several ways including with pencil and paper.

One-time pad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
“impossible to crack if used correctly.”


50 posted on 08/03/2013 7:26:21 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: null and void

Yes, it is terrorism by definition.


51 posted on 08/03/2013 8:21:45 PM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: familyop

Good stuff. I remember that one-time pad stuff from back in the day. undetectable for normal ops. one can throw in another layer of tac-ops codes for well, tac ops.

Next is to introduce this into the culture for now and future generations. Meaning, the kids. Perhaps people should start in their own families; making it a game to play with the kids to get them use to it(better than having them waist their brains away on tweeting.

Thanks, everyone.

We’ll may be long-gone when time comes where they have to use it, but this is the kind of low-level technology that we should not forget in the digital age. For as we now know, the digital world is now a double-edged sword.


52 posted on 08/04/2013 9:59:51 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: ShadowAce

For your Tech Ping list.


53 posted on 08/05/2013 11:40:42 AM PDT by CedarDave (Trayvon Martin history: The MS media is in love with burglars and thugs in training.)
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To: Jim Robinson; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; ...

54 posted on 08/05/2013 11:41:50 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Jim Robinson

1984 was never meant to be an instruction manual.


55 posted on 08/05/2013 11:47:47 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: M Kehoe
Let me do you one better. Read this:

In a speech before the House of Commons, 18 June 1940, following the collapse of France, many thought Britain would soon follow. This is what Winston Churchill had to say.

“What General Weygand called the Battle of France is over. I expect that the battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, ‘This was their Finest Hour.’”

Just replace Hitler with Obama and you have the exact same scenario playing out here now. The only missing is the gunfire.

56 posted on 08/05/2013 3:56:42 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: ShadowAce

Thanks for the ping.


57 posted on 08/06/2013 5:10:12 AM PDT by GOPJ (Sob stories make bad law...)
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To: WildSnail

time to go back to the old dialup BBS platforms


58 posted on 08/06/2013 12:45:23 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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