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FBI pressures Internet providers to install surveillance software
c|net ^ | Aug 2, 2013 | by Declan McCullagh

Posted on 08/03/2013 10:40:40 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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"AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, Comcast, and Sprint declined to comment. A government source familiar with the port reader software said it is not used on an industry-wide basis, and only in situations where carriers' own wiretap compliance technology is insufficient to provide agents with what they are seeking."
1 posted on 08/03/2013 10:40:40 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Germany circa 1939 sans the technology.

5.56mm

2 posted on 08/03/2013 10:43:01 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Jim Robinson

Um... NO. If the FBI can violate the Constitution, so can we. NSA and FBI better stop this crap before we get tired of putting up with it and put a stop to it HARD.

Tired of my Rights being infringed upon.


3 posted on 08/03/2013 10:43:30 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Go Jim Go


4 posted on 08/03/2013 10:43:39 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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5 posted on 08/03/2013 10:44:19 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jim Robinson

6 posted on 08/03/2013 10:47:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Jim Robinson

.........the FBI has developed custom “port reader” software to intercept Internet metadata in real time.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

More unconstitutional warrantless searches.Look, the fact uis that the Obama administration will use data acquired
tis way to damage its political enemies.

We need to put a stop to this....... NOW~


7 posted on 08/03/2013 10:50:14 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Jim Robinson
If PRISM the NSA software can log keystrokes without installing a trojan on my system....why would the fbi want anything more??
8 posted on 08/03/2013 10:51:21 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Fake BC Explained http://i41.tinypic.com/eqcn84.gif)
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To: Jim Robinson; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

9 posted on 08/03/2013 10:51:52 AM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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10 posted on 08/03/2013 10:52:06 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Jim Robinson

DAMN.


11 posted on 08/03/2013 10:53:57 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Candor7

70% of America has no idea about this and don’t even care....just as long as the shelves are full, fridge is stocked, gas in the car, and access to wifi is available...


12 posted on 08/03/2013 10:54:12 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
The point isn't that they can do it.

The point is they want us to KNOW they are doing it.

Rather than have to actively control each and every one of us one-on-one, they want to induce FEAR and let us self-censor and control ourselves.

Induce FEAR to influence behavior.

Isn't that the very definition of TERRORISM?

13 posted on 08/03/2013 10:56:41 AM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
If PRISM the NSA software can log keystrokes without installing a trojan on my system....why would the fbi want anything more??

(1) The mentality that "More control = better",
(2) The FBI as a bureaucracy wants to ensure its own survival; having NSA's PRISM be found Kosher means it will move into more legitimate/mundane prosecutions, this will, in turn, cause the FBI to lose much relevance and open it to being reduced in size or eliminated altogether,
(3) Professional envy; the FBI might just want in on the action just because.

And it could be combinations of the three.

14 posted on 08/03/2013 10:58:12 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Jim Robinson
When will the CEO's of major private corporations such as trading, banking, investing, oil, consumer goods, etc., rise up and protest this?

It's the private industry that provides the economic engine that is taxed to pay for the government.

What would happen if they all rise up and say "No?"

-PJ

15 posted on 08/03/2013 11:01:54 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

When you are in bed with someone at times it is not easy to say ‘no’. ;-)


16 posted on 08/03/2013 11:06:42 AM PDT by elpinta (Jer. 10:23 - It really holds true!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Active eavesdropping hardware sure simplifies the Feds’ snooping.


17 posted on 08/03/2013 11:06:54 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Jim Robinson

18 posted on 08/03/2013 11:08:46 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“When will the CEO’s of major private corporations such as trading, banking, investing, oil, consumer goods, etc., rise up and protest this?”

Why in the world would they do that? These are the same people that pay congress to pass legislation favorable to them. They own the government, especially the bankers. They don’t care about you or your family except as a rancher cares about his herd. Just shut up and keep working.


19 posted on 08/03/2013 11:12:14 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Political Junkie Too

Are We Approaching>?

“A Ceausescu Moment”

Abimbola Adelakun: Between Amaechi & Ceausescu http://omojuwa.com/2013/04/abimbola-adelakun-between-amaechi-and-ceausescu/

Mr. President learn from Ceausescu! http://www.wnd.com/2010/10/211825/ Are we near Oboma’s Ceausescu Moment?


20 posted on 08/03/2013 11:14:38 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I was thinking about changing my moniker to something that the FBI would be reluctant to track like Benghazi, Fast and Furious or birth certificate.


21 posted on 08/03/2013 11:25:52 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: null and void
Rather than have to actively control each and every one of us one-on-one, they want to induce FEAR and let us self-censor and control ourselves.
Induce FEAR to influence behavior.
Isn't that the very definition of TERRORISM?

That sums it up very well, null and void; as well, I have a hunch the F, the B, and the I and other so-called "national security" groups are trying to use these revelations as distractions for much deeper, much more inimical invasions of our privacy—or else they're the world's worst secret keepers.

Oh, by the way, what crony business organizations are President You Didn't Build That and his "administration" selling all this data to? Who benefits? Who pays? Who comes out furthest ahead by participating in the ever deepening corruption?

22 posted on 08/03/2013 11:29:41 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: null and void

“Kiss my grits, usurper.” is my simple reply. Being a woman, I cannot reply in so pithy a manner. I feel a rant coming on.

It is exceedingly difficult to endure 8 years of tyranny.
How many of us mourned back on election eve in 2008, yet how much deeper the sorrow would have been had we known the depths of the evil that would be unleashed with that election. We were fully aware what a second term would bring. Who could have imagined the thousands of evil acts this group of America-haters had in store, waiting for the power to implement it, and in many cases where they didn’t have the power, trampling the Constitution and implementing evil by illegal EO. May God have mercy on us and not judge the country as a whole. As a whole America has turned from God to worship many idols. I pray that God will find there are enough followers of Jesus, to allow us a way out tyranny and into freedom again. May God send us righteous Christian leaders who do not wither at the thought of fighting for what is right, and may He remove those who are no more than democrats clothed in the word republican.

End of rant


23 posted on 08/03/2013 11:33:52 AM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("Happy, happy,happy." Phil Robertson)
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To: TheConservativeParty
how much deeper the sorrow would have been had we known the depths of the evil that would be unleashed with that election.

Gosh, lady, I don't know why you're so exercised.

He's barely warmed up...

24 posted on 08/03/2013 11:48:11 AM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“When will the CEO’s of major private corporations such as trading, banking, investing, oil, consumer goods, etc., rise up and protest this?”

They won’t rise up because too many of them are Dems.


25 posted on 08/03/2013 11:51:18 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Although the workings of a NWO has been around for decades, as president, George H. Bush publicly declared the era of a NWO and that they will not fail in successfully implementing it. I believe many will agree that the most dangerous enemy facing the American people today is the American government and the behind the scene elites, banking cartels and organizations such as the Carlyle Group who control it. If one pays attention one can easily conclude that our American society is currently being manipulated in order to usher in an era of destruction. Thus, the NWO to the rescue but it will only be on their terms of submit and surrender. Jesus told us of these times to come and that we are to accept them as growing pains. Christian persecution and human suffering is fast becoming the norm and we must never forget at whose hand is at the center of the suffering.
26 posted on 08/03/2013 12:22:39 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

I have had it up to here with my government spying on me!


27 posted on 08/03/2013 12:43:59 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: My Favorite Headache

70% of America has no idea about this and don’t even care>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That will soon change.Its only a matter of time.We have seen all this before in 1920s Europe.


28 posted on 08/03/2013 12:47:54 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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29 posted on 08/03/2013 12:59:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: BenLurkin

Orwell was an absolute clairvoyant!


30 posted on 08/03/2013 12:59:59 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: All

At the time of this writing, there were 30 responses to JR’s posts. Here’s how I would categories the reponses(directly to the posts):

Doom and Gloom (and Proof there of):13

Photos: 6

We should do something:3

Warning to GOV:3

Jokes 1

Solutions or Counter Measures: 0

And this is why, in part we’re losing. We throw up our hands and say there’s nothing we can do about it. The closest I saw to something in the right direction was:

“...If the FBI can violate the Constitution, so can we. NSA and FBI better stop this crap before we get tired of putting up with it and put a stop to it HARD...”

Fact is, we should. We all know what the 4th Amendment says, and that regine in DC has decided to ignore it and has in fact rubber-stamped violating it. All it takes is someone in power whenever they decide to use whatever against us. So it is time for us tech folks to start developing alternative means of communication for if/when the need arises. I am in the software/internet business, so it wouldn’t much of the audience to get too technical, but safe to say we’re gonna have to come up with something that doesn’t use the standard IP protocals that were agreed upon by browser developers and network providers years ago. Not only that, we will probably need more independent nodes/relay points out there to transmitt information over the new network.

There’s a lot more we can and should be doing. Some include means of communications that may be more organizational that electronic. The point is, we should be doing these things NOW. I for one, don’t want my children stuck in some Warsaw (or Detroit) ghetto hearing the troops outside wonder why their parents didn’t do anything.

The old mantra is ‘If you want peace, prepare for war’. Here’s the new one: “We’re are war, and there wont be any peace until we start fighting back.

We have to stop the whining, and crying. We know what’s going on. It’s time people.

jimjohn - OUT (drops the mic)


31 posted on 08/03/2013 1:06:25 PM PDT by jimjohn
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32 posted on 08/03/2013 1:10:13 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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When will the CEO's of major private corporations such as trading, banking, investing, oil, consumer goods, etc., rise up and protest this?

Welcome to a fully functional fascist government; the nexus of Dems, Rinos, big government, media, and big corporations. This is why the government-media-industrial complex must destroy types like Palin; she'd bust up their party.

33 posted on 08/03/2013 1:24:35 PM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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34 posted on 08/03/2013 1:29:34 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jim Robinson

Sure America, elect and re-elect a Chicago thug.... What could go wrong?


35 posted on 08/03/2013 1:33:59 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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Go get ‘em, musicman!


36 posted on 08/03/2013 1:39:42 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
70% of America has no idea about this and don’t even care....just as long as the shelves are full, fridge is stocked, gas in the car, and access to wifi is available...

There's nothing new under the sun...

"What good fortune for those in power that people do not think."

-Adolf Hitler

37 posted on 08/03/2013 1:40:49 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: jimjohn

Sometimes, the best things are free.

http://www.openbsd.org/

It’s easier than before but takes a little time. Or for those who don’t have the time,...

LiveUSB with OpenBSD
http://liveusb-openbsd.sourceforge.net/

LiveCD with OpenBSD
http://livecd-openbsd.sourceforge.net/

https://www.torproject.org/

Or a commercial service like
http://torguard.net/


38 posted on 08/03/2013 1:42:07 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: BCR #226

Kind of hard to violate the Constitution when only the Individual has any Rights, no? ;)

I say, they want to bring it, bring it hard. ‘Cuz when the video gets out of a few instances, the rest of the U.S. is not going to take it lightly...I hope.


39 posted on 08/03/2013 1:48:06 PM PDT by i_robot73 (Gov't always start as MAY and SHOULD, but soon becomes one of WILL and SHALL. Never let them START.)
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To: null and void

Null,

Very succinct explanation for what they are attempting. Perhaps a return to 18th/19th century communications efforts are in order. Was that a smoke signal or is someone barbequeing in Walnut Creek again? Black smoke, white smoke, phosphorous smoke, gun smoke. So many possibilities.


40 posted on 08/03/2013 1:48:28 PM PDT by CARTOUCHE (Give piss a chance.)
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To: Jim Robinson

We need to coordinate an attack with keywords that will make them go batsh!t.

A few million people on any given day just bombarding them with false look ups. Make the system worthless.

F U B O !! F U NSA!!


41 posted on 08/03/2013 2:03:56 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: null and void
>"Isn't that the very definition of TERRORISM?"

Debt to America

Death to America

The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force. JQA


Indonesian Go Home

42 posted on 08/03/2013 2:04:20 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: rawcatslyentist
CORRECTION:

Indonesian Go Home to Kenya!


43 posted on 08/03/2013 2:07:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Silly 4th Amendment. Those Founders were such lovable rubes.


44 posted on 08/03/2013 3:44:38 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: familyop; jimjohn

TOR is fine as far as it goes, but it relies on existing networks, protocols, and infrastructure. What jimjohn is saying is that a completely separate communication network is needed. One that can’t (easily) be compromised or monitored.


45 posted on 08/03/2013 5:01:51 PM PDT by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: Jim Robinson
FBI officials have been sparring with carriers, a process that has on occasion included threatsof contempt of court...

in a bid to deploy government-provided software capable of intercepting and analyzing entire communications streams. The FBI's legal position during these discussions is that the software's real-time interception of metadata is authorized under the Patriot Act.

Coercion and a gun to the head of ISPs is illegal and itself a violation of the RICO Act which arguably supersedes the illegality of the Patriot Act.

Who knew 9/11 would lead to literally undressing our liberties and rights in the name of "security" AND celebrating the "Religion of Peace"?

46 posted on 08/03/2013 5:39:19 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Revolting cat!
"Indonesian Go Home to Kenya!"

But...I thought that wuz Chicago Hades??

47 posted on 08/03/2013 5:42:09 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: WildSnail

Meshnet is a starting point but requires independent long distance connections between local networks.


48 posted on 08/03/2013 5:48:56 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Ozark Tom; familyop; WildSnail

wonder what it would take either
a) create a 20 meter ham network or
b) get out own satellite launched into orbit?

We need some of that good ‘ol American out of the box thinking.


49 posted on 08/03/2013 6:28:44 PM PDT by jimjohn
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To: jimjohn; Ozark Tom; WildSnail

The following can be done in any of several ways including with pencil and paper.

One-time pad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
“impossible to crack if used correctly.”


50 posted on 08/03/2013 7:26:21 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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