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For Obamacare to Work, Everyone Must Be In
NY Times ^ | Aug 3, 2013 | By ROBERT H. FRANK

Posted on 08/03/2013 1:43:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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There's another belief, and that's the belief of our Founding Fathers and all American patriots. ObamaCare is unconstitutional and unAmerican. Obviously and for good reason, the constitution does not authorize the federal government to be in the health care business or the insurance business. Yeah, all Americans would have to be FORCED to be included in such a program because no sane person would voluntarily enter into a self-defeating contract. If allowed to stand, ObamaCare will destroy both the free economy and the healthcare system. Communism never works. If you think it's hard getting health care while being poor (only one car, one TV, one ObamaPhone) in a free country where at least the emergency rooms don't turn you away, just wait until you're dirt poor in a communist country. Good luck in any illness, much less an emergency.

Central planners be damned! America should remain a free country and health care should remain as a free enterprise market-driven system. We already have the best health care system in the entire world!

1 posted on 08/03/2013 1:43:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Similar to a pyramid scheme.


2 posted on 08/03/2013 1:46:08 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; Alamo-Girl; bd476; The Cajun; ...
"For Obamacare to Work, Everyone Must Be In"

NSS!! And even if the government could force everyone onto its communist plan, it still wouldn't work!! Idiots!!

3 posted on 08/03/2013 1:46:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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In reality, Obamacare will NEVER work
any more than welfare has EVER worked.

Unless you weight it with the accomplishment
of some social agenda, then it works perfectly.


4 posted on 08/03/2013 1:47:08 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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" For Obamacare to Work,
Everyone Must Be In"




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5 posted on 08/03/2013 1:47:30 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jim Robinson
Here's the problem. The government shouldn't be in the health care/insurance business.

They just took over the student loan business. How'd that work out for the kids?

6 posted on 08/03/2013 1:47:57 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Everyone Must Be In[!!!]...

And that means EVERYONE. Except of course, the IRS, congresscritters, their staff, etc, etc... and etc.

7 posted on 08/03/2013 1:48:02 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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AND, EVERY STINKING MEMBER OF CONGRESS AND THE FED GOV WHO IS EXEMPT HAS TO TAKE IT AND NOT HAVE THEIR SPECIAL PROGRAMS!!! Yes, I am screaming, from the roof top!!!!


8 posted on 08/03/2013 1:49:14 PM PDT by RetiredArmy ("As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of Man." The LORD said it would be like this.)
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Damn them to Hell. It is just SO un-American to even contemplate forcing everybody “in”! It just burns me up the government is attempting to create “exchanges” (pseudo-markets) with tens of billions of dollars when good old free markets do the same thing at no cost — they are self-arranging and operate at optimal efficiency.


9 posted on 08/03/2013 1:51:47 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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"For Obamacare to Work, Everyone Must Be In"

Count me out.

Can't afford it, don't want it..

Disagree with the whole concept.


10 posted on 08/03/2013 1:52:52 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson
except congress,government workers, and the unions that is... right???

11 posted on 08/03/2013 1:53:33 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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The way they have been hauling the hay surely they are getting close to that final straw.


12 posted on 08/03/2013 1:55:16 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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13 posted on 08/03/2013 1:55:59 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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14 posted on 08/03/2013 1:57:15 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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Oops. :)


15 posted on 08/03/2013 1:58:16 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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I am not happy with the use of tax dollars which already make me an accessory to murder--every dime to planned parenthood frees up money to kill another baby.

I'm never going to sign up for a program which seeks to force me to go against my religious beliefs against abortion and "contraception" (which includes post conception abortifactants).

16 posted on 08/03/2013 1:58:36 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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In other words, for it to work, we must force others to pay for it at the point of a gun.


17 posted on 08/03/2013 2:00:59 PM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Jim Robinson

Income Inequality: Too Big to Ignore

By ROBERT H. FRANK
Published: October 16, 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/business/17view.html

The middle-class squeeze has also reduced voters’ willingness to support even basic public services. Rich and poor alike endure crumbling roads, weak bridges, an unreliable rail system, and cargo containers that enter our ports without scrutiny. And many Americans live in the shadow of poorly maintained dams that could collapse at any moment.

ECONOMISTS who say we should relegate questions about inequality to philosophers often advocate policies, like tax cuts for the wealthy, that increase inequality substantially. That greater inequality causes real harm is beyond doubt.

No one dares to argue that rising inequality is required in the name of fairness. So maybe we should just agree that it’s a bad thing — and try to do something about it.


18 posted on 08/03/2013 2:01:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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Any Republican congresscritter who fails to do his utmost to defund/derail communist ObamaCare is a traitor who should be tarred and feathered and run outta Dodge on a rail!!


19 posted on 08/03/2013 2:03:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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It already doesn’t work for me. I’m healthy and the cost of my health insurance options is going through the roof. I’m going to end up having to pay way more than I had been paying for good coverage, just to get what in effect is catastrophic coverage.


20 posted on 08/03/2013 2:03:19 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: kcvl

Economist? The guy’s an out and out commie.


21 posted on 08/03/2013 2:04:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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Everyone who supported Pelosi and Obama in getting Obamacare passed into law gets an exemption.

Everyon who did not actively support them, or who opposed them, has earned the right to fully participate in the scam program.

NSA has the names of those of us who comprise the second group.


22 posted on 08/03/2013 2:05:51 PM PDT by Iron Munro (They Old. That's Old School People. We In A New School, Our Generation)
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To: Jim Robinson

Basic premise is wrong. obamacare won’t work, can’t work, period. Never will. Any discussion over this condition, that waiver, etc is moot. obamacare is a failure, period.


23 posted on 08/03/2013 2:06:01 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

We have just seen what happens when an unscrupulous
administration controls the IRS. One can only
shudder to contemplate them having control of the
health of a nation.


24 posted on 08/03/2013 2:07:08 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Absolutely! Using this and amnesty they are determined to turn this into a third world socialist Hell hole.


25 posted on 08/03/2013 2:08:08 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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26 posted on 08/03/2013 2:09:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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For Obamacare to Work, Everyone Must Be In

So says another communist "economics professor", LOL.

27 posted on 08/03/2013 2:09:42 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Jim Robinson

I will NOT submit to this crap. I won’t pay ANY fines and I won’t back down.

If they decide to darken my doorstep they will get a rude awakening. I’ve had it with this tyranny.


28 posted on 08/03/2013 2:10:52 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Chode

I used to be part of a Union. I am still on their mailing list. They are dumping their members in ObamaCare.


29 posted on 08/03/2013 2:11:07 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Huskrrrr

In communism, you don’t get a choice .... you are part of the collective and you will participate even if kills you. You are encouraged (through threats and torture) to be enthusiastic in your participation.


30 posted on 08/03/2013 2:11:24 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: tet68
One can only shudder to contemplate them having control of the health of a nation.

In many ways they do--and that's why Liberty is on life-support.

31 posted on 08/03/2013 2:12:38 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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>"For Obamacare to Work, Everyone Must Be In" a grave, body bag, or just lying out in the open.

The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force. JQA

32 posted on 08/03/2013 2:12:40 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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That’s the Obama Democrats - putting the “total” into totalitarianism!


33 posted on 08/03/2013 2:13:41 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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i've been in three of them and all they ever did was take my money and keep me from making more money...

that said i thought all the BIG unions got wavers from 0bamacare?

34 posted on 08/03/2013 2:14:02 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Their only concerns are the next election, their children’s college funds, how much money they’re going to make on some future speaking tour and avoiding getting caught in some new investigation. Individually they act like they listen. As a group they don’t give a hoot.


35 posted on 08/03/2013 2:18:20 PM PDT by bd476
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Everyone to the rice fields!


36 posted on 08/03/2013 2:19:05 PM PDT by kabar
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Excuse me Citizen but are you R.Texasvet?
Obamacare #3927439278?
Yes.
Well citizen, I’m sure you’ve heard the bulletins
about the health of Citizen Obama,our great leader,
who suffers from a rare fatal heart condition?
Yes, it’s on all the newscribes.
Well then, I’m sure you will be glad to know that
your government has been searching high and low
to find a replacement heart for him that will not
be rejected.
Oh yes, I’m relieved.
Good, it’s you.
TAKE HIM!


37 posted on 08/03/2013 2:20:17 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jim Robinson
The flaw in their thinking is that, even if everyon pays the same, they will not have access to the same quality of care.

The "rich" will still get access to the best doctors, while the poor will have to wait in line at their local hospital.

Unless Obama plans on busing the "doctors of the rich" into the inner city, and busing the "affirmative action" doctors to the suburbs, nothing will change regarding the quality of care that the rich receive.

-PJ

38 posted on 08/03/2013 2:22:23 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Chode

Apparently not. The UFCW local I was in is putting all PT employees on Exchanges in 2014.


39 posted on 08/03/2013 2:23:35 PM PDT by matt04
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Obama was truthful on this. He said in very beginning that he favored a univeral, single payer system. He also said this Obamacare was only the first step to reach his goal.

In five years, this the only thing on which he spoke the truth.


40 posted on 08/03/2013 2:26:49 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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Every socialist ever spawned comes to the inevitable conclusion that there can be no escape, because people who are offered freedom tend to prefer it, and will even die to attain it. This particular individual is another sad demonstration of why you generally only find Marxist economists on campus - everywhere else, they're fired when their theories fail.

The current critique from the Left of America's health care system is that "only" the wealthy get the highest quality care, which is demonstrably untrue but that never stopped a Leftist from shouting it anyway. The system they're proposing to address this "economic injustice" will cost everyone more, lower the quality of care overall, place a great deal of power in the hands of those who ration it, and make the very highest quality of care available only to privileged classes, which tend to be - well, what do you know? - the wealthy. And loyal party members.

It's socialism when you can opt out, Communism when it's mandatory. And this commentator wants it to be mandatory.

41 posted on 08/03/2013 2:26:54 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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They just do not want to give the free market a chance. I remember back in the 80s car insurance was insane. One accident and you could be paying $5000 a year which was a massive amount of money back then. Now because of the free market they give you freakin’ discounts if you have an accident! “Oh we are raising your rates” oh well then I’ll go Geico or Progressive or this or that. Same with phones, I remember getting massive bills for landlines now it’s $40 a month unlimited calls. But health insurance? Noooo, lets keep that under the thumb of the government, lets keep allowing OGYNs to pay $300k a year in litigation insurance because some crackhead ho gave birth to a kid with flippers and some Obama voting jury awarded her $40million bucks.


42 posted on 08/03/2013 2:27:46 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: matt04
just PT but not full time... so much for union solidarity
43 posted on 08/03/2013 2:28:17 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Exactly. The real reform of health care industry won’t happen despite all the many ideas that have been proposed for the past 20-30 years, because it would hit the pockets of... lawyers, and who writes our laws and reforms? D’uh!


44 posted on 08/03/2013 2:30:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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Obamacare will never collapse of its own weight, and must be specifically abolished from the books to rid ourselves of it. Anything less will result in an intergenerational usurpation of governmental power that will last generations, and may never be fully rectified, like many failed policies before it. Furthermore, the government is used to spending money that doesn’t exist, so we’d be deluding ourselves to think that “budgetary problems” will prevent the current crop of stalinists from instituting their wet dream.


45 posted on 08/03/2013 2:33:05 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Chode

I have a feeling the Union bosses got the exemptions, not the people they “represent.”


46 posted on 08/03/2013 2:34:02 PM PDT by matt04
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“forced by the government”

This is the key to everything the left promotes ‘for the public good’. The only thing people are willing to embrace without the use of force is freedom, because the very definition of freedom is the absence of force or compulsion. This is another of those simple, black and white truths that exasperates the left, to whom everything is convoluted and complex, and ultimately subjective.


47 posted on 08/03/2013 2:34:32 PM PDT by Spok
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Any Republican congresscritter who fails to do his utmost to defund/derail communist ObamaCare is a traitor who should be tarred and feathered and run outta Dodge on a rail!!




Abso-FReepin-lutely!

Let them know that we will remember in 2014 November!

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48 posted on 08/03/2013 2:34:50 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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LOL. I can’t believe I typed “ text massages,” but I did!
That’ll get the job done!!!!


49 posted on 08/03/2013 2:37:08 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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Well, that’s what the Soviets said to.


50 posted on 08/03/2013 2:38:19 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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