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Part-time women doctors ARE a real problem. Why is it sexist to say so? (Melanie Phillips)
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 9 June 2013 | Melanie Phillips

Posted on 08/03/2013 5:22:57 PM PDT by neverdem

Never did three words, surely, have a more explosive and utterly disproportionate effect.

In a Commons debate last week on the deficiencies of the new 111 emergency service, a Tory MP, Anne McIntosh, suggested one reason why there were too few GPs to answer urgent calls.

Since some 70 per cent of medical students were now women, she said, the fact that many of them wanted to have children and then go part-time meant a ‘tremendous burden’ on the NHS if it effectively had to train two GPs to do the work of one.

In reply the junior Health Minister Anna Soubry said: ‘You make a very important point when you talk about, rightly, the good number of women who are training to be doctors, but the unintended consequences

She didn’t actually finish her sentence, but left the thought of ‘the unintended consequences’ hanging in the air. For these three words, she was instantly jumped upon and metaphorically beaten up by a steady procession of angry women.

Dr Clare Gerada, head of the Royal College of GPs, was incredulous ‘that women doctors are being blamed for problems in the NHS’. Another commentator accused Ms Soubry of having delivered ‘the biggest guilt trip of all when it comes to flexible working’.

Yet others heaped withering scorn upon the hapless Health Minister. Didn’t she understand that women had babies? So of course women doctors wanted to work part-time. Duh! And because it suited women to do so, there couldn’t possibly be any problem with that. It was obviously the perfect solution for absolutely everyone. End of argument. No awareness whatever of the total absence of logic in such claims — not to mention the failure to acknowledge the interests of anyone other than women doctors.

No, the only possible explanation for Ms...

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1 posted on 08/03/2013 5:22:57 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

If you want an example of an asinine government regulation breaks the back of a business in the USA, research the Family Medical Leave Act.


2 posted on 08/03/2013 5:27:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: neverdem

Reality can be an uncomfortable thing for leftists.


3 posted on 08/03/2013 5:28:24 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: neverdem

Part time “professionals” are generally a problem and create undue hardship on their co-workers.

Working 3 days a week, they take a day to get back up to speed and they can’t be given any work that requires follow up on the off days, and if they are, then a co-worker has to waste time getting up to speed on the issue.

It is also true that almost all part-time professionals are women, “who want to have it all”.


4 posted on 08/03/2013 5:28:50 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: neverdem

The UK sets the PC bullshit standard to which the USSA daily aspires.


5 posted on 08/03/2013 5:28:57 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: SampleMan

All of that is perfectly true. Note also, that Obama is pushing the American economy toward a lot of part-time work. Soon, everywhere you look, there will be men and women trying to “get back up to speed” to do the job which they haven’t performed in 3 or 4 days. It will be a constant annoyance.


6 posted on 08/03/2013 5:33:44 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: tomkat

If you now have over 50% of 1st year medical students being female, guess guess where the next group of surgeons come from?


7 posted on 08/03/2013 5:33:52 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: neverdem

First hand knowledge here: part time female physicians are going to be the norm in the US. Already certain specialties, including my own, are suffering from the consequences. Judging by the balance of female enrollment in medical schools, there is no reversing this trend, except for male foreign medical graduates filling the gaps. So, say hello to Dr Muhammad.


8 posted on 08/03/2013 5:41:13 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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9 posted on 08/03/2013 5:43:35 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DIRTYSECRET
. . . illustrating yet again why it's a good time to be old              ( ish  d:^)
10 posted on 08/03/2013 5:46:28 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: musicman; RedMDer; The Cajun
PREFECT ! ©

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11 posted on 08/03/2013 5:48:28 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: BlueStateRightist

And in my specialty ER, you now have a lot of married couples, and because of the income NEITHER one has to work a full schedule.


12 posted on 08/03/2013 5:48:51 PM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: tomkat
. . . illustrating yet again why it's a good time to be old

The death panels will have a way with dealing with those who enjoyed the good life and then decided to leave a mess for the next generation.

13 posted on 08/03/2013 5:49:54 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: neverdem

Same reason women on submarines will be a total disaster for the Navy.


14 posted on 08/03/2013 5:50:52 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: musicman; onyx

LOL!


15 posted on 08/03/2013 5:51:33 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: musicman

ROFL facebook forever!


16 posted on 08/03/2013 5:52:49 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: Kozak
And in my specialty ER, you now have a lot of married couples, and because of the income NEITHER one has to work a full schedule.

Women's employment is one of the main reason for growing income inequality that the left never talks about.

Women will generally not marry a man who earns less than her.

Instead of 100 men becoming doctors and heading 100 families, you end up with half as many families with twice the income.

17 posted on 08/03/2013 5:54:49 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

Having neither left a mess for anyone nor experienced much of ‘the good life’, I’ll cordially assume that your comment was directed at the situation in general . . .


18 posted on 08/03/2013 6:00:21 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat
Having neither left a mess for anyone nor experienced much of ‘the good life’, I’ll cordially assume that your comment was directed at the situation in general . . .

Absolutely, I don't know what your personal situation is.

However, I've seen quite a bit of gloating from boomers (not you) over the past few years about how their life was good and their glad that they won't have to deal with mess that the young must face.

19 posted on 08/03/2013 6:04:39 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: neverdem

With the US now a part-time workweek nation, one must wonder about the part-time, Obamacare mandated, part-time role of hospital employed, nationally unionized physicians of the very near future when all private MDs become essentially extinct?

Imagine medical residents on a less than 30 hr “workweek”...uhhh!

While M. Phillips draws attention to the utilization of scarce doctors in the UK, the part-time aspects of Obamacare have not been anticipated in the medical debate going on in the US regarding the doctor shortages looming here and the role of US female MD’s, most of which are essentially part-time, and whose practice lives are shortened compared to men. I read a few years ago that women MDs in the US had a maximum practice life of just 16 years.


20 posted on 08/03/2013 6:05:44 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: ClaytonP
Yep .. I'll be goin' out with just as much as I came in with, and thanks to that traitor negro's destruction of the economy, I'm only hopin' to keep the lights on in the meantime.
21 posted on 08/03/2013 6:11:09 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: neverdem

Don’t know why women doctors need special treatment.
They can just put their kids in the government creche
with all the other children of the state.


22 posted on 08/03/2013 6:12:34 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

So we sterilize these women or do we lock them up when they want time off?


23 posted on 08/03/2013 6:16:14 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: tomkat
. . . illustrating yet again why it's a good time to be old.

Ain't that the truth!

The reality is that the good times have come and gone. I am so glad and very appreciative that I lived in those days.

24 posted on 08/03/2013 6:27:01 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: onyx; musicman; RedMDer
Well heck, guess I best *git* me one of them danged Facebook accounts :)
25 posted on 08/03/2013 6:27:07 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Sincere question: I am a woman over forty whose children are grown. I am applying to med school and seek a specialty that is NOT female-dominated. Any suggestions?


26 posted on 08/03/2013 6:27:34 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: The Cajun

27 posted on 08/03/2013 6:28:12 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: utahagen

why does the sex matter in choosing a speciality? The ones with mostly women are low paying.


28 posted on 08/03/2013 6:32:45 PM PDT by cajungirl
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To: cajungirl

Not true. Dermatology refutes that assertion.


29 posted on 08/03/2013 6:36:12 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: utahagen

” I am applying to med school and seek a specialty that is NOT female-dominated. Any suggestions?”

Most all surgical subspecialties.


30 posted on 08/03/2013 6:41:38 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: Kirkwood

Neither. We complain about them not staying home and raising their kids. When they decide to work part time to both make a living and be moms, we complain that they’re screwing things up by not working full time. When they quit their part time jobs and have no retirement (because a one income household in this economy has ever increasing expenses to pay instead of investing for mommy’s later years) we complain about their government dependency.

Big Gov has made it quite difficult to stay home. That is not a design flaw on Big Gov’s part. Our costs of living have skyrocketed thanks to entitlement programs, expanding regulations, bureaucracies, etc. Families, even our very frugal family, need two incomes to compensate for obama giving millions in aid to every foreign despot with his or her hand out. If I stayed home there would be no money to invest for my later years, and God only knows what to expect with healthcare alone!


31 posted on 08/03/2013 6:42:25 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: OldPossum

Amen . . . one of my few sources of sincere gratitude is having grown up in small towns in the midwest from the mid 50s to mid 60s . . . to be a kid today and know very little of this country pre-USSA is truly tragic.


32 posted on 08/03/2013 6:46:01 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: goodwithagun
.. That is not a design flaw on Big Gov’s part ..

wanna bet ?!

33 posted on 08/03/2013 6:47:43 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: SampleMan

Women are killing the veterinary profession. Newer veterinary classes are almost 70-30% women to men. Women don’t want to own a practice, don’t want to work full time and therefore the glut of veterinarians brings the income lower for each one. Men that want to be breadwinners and intelligent enough for a veterinary curriculum are not entering the profession.


34 posted on 08/03/2013 6:50:31 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: utahagen
I am applying to med school and seek a specialty that is NOT female-dominated. Any suggestions?

Orthopedics
Neurosurgery
Urology
Cardiothoracic Surgery

35 posted on 08/03/2013 6:51:02 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: tomkat

Perhaps writing in the negative muddied my intent: Big Gov designed the current system so that it is quite difficult for moms to stay home.


36 posted on 08/03/2013 6:51:24 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
The DC communists and their apparatchiks throughout this once free nation have, at least since the mid 50s, ALWAYS been about ANYTHING that lessens individual freedom and eviscerates the Constitution.

McCarthy was right all along, and how presciently he nailed it has never been more apparent than today.

/.02

37 posted on 08/03/2013 6:58:07 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: HangnJudge; utahagen

There’s a reason those are male dominated - cardiothoracic for example requires an insane amount of hours in the hospital to be available for surgery. (And, it is a dying field as many surgeries now can be performed in new, less invasive ways). Few women, especially those that want children, would be willing to put in those types of hours. Neuro has a brutal residency requirement - 12 years plus - and that’s after med school. Again, women who want to have children have to make a choice.

Ortho is a legit choice, but know that you need tremendous upper body strength to do some of the expected operations.

This information my daughter (who is in med school) has shared with me in regards to her own field choices.


38 posted on 08/03/2013 7:03:26 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: BenLurkin

I had a coworker that was a local farmer boy and carded IAM machinist working aside me as management in a locomotive shop. He was well-respected by the Craft we oversaw, technically knowlegeble on the product and maintenance tasks, and absolutely did not get along with our shithead drunk shop manager, that knew absolutely nothing about the product line, and just wanted us to abuse the labor for the sake of abusing the labor... the guy was a serious jackass and a liar.

When my coworker’s wife had her baby, my coworker, having fully read up on corporate policy, and FMLA... used it to tell the manager, in essence, “Go F*** Yourself!”. He was on “vacation”, “helping his wife” for many weeks... I think it was somewhere from 3 to 6 weeks.

While I was kinda pissed at all the OT that caused me to work... I couldn’t be pissed at him... the real problem was the Shop Manager.


39 posted on 08/03/2013 7:06:01 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: vetvetdoug

How does a vet NOT own a practice, I’m wondering? The only option is to work for a vet who does, or try to work for a vet school. Or maybe become a bureaucrat in the licensing board? What else?


40 posted on 08/03/2013 7:10:06 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: neverdem

The one female doctor I know makes about $100,000. The three male doctors I know make between $300,00 and about $400,000. Two of the male doctors are in the same specialty as her. Why the difference? Because she will not take a job that requires hospital rotations or being on call. She will work from 8:00 to 5:00 and that’s it. She works for a “doc in a box” clinic.


41 posted on 08/03/2013 7:10:26 PM PDT by suthener
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To: BenLurkin

See this all the time in my field. Girl docs work part time.

Actully have realized how bad it is to have females in a number of career catagories and how their presence has increased disability claims.

Example: Police work. Aside from the fact that women seem much quicker feel threatened and draw their gun, women take up a disproportionate number of desk jobs in police work. In the old days, when the patrolmen were injured they rotated into desk work. Now those jobs are taken and disability happens.

Another example: Construction. Women mostly work as flaggers and traffic monitors. In the old days when a guy was hurt on the job, he rotated to traffic monitoring until he was better, now those jobs are permanently filled often by women.


42 posted on 08/03/2013 7:11:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: utahagen
proctology... but i wouldn't recommend it
43 posted on 08/03/2013 7:14:31 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: utahagen

Ortho
Surgery but you are too old to start there
Gastro


44 posted on 08/03/2013 7:15:13 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: utahagen
Uta, do you want the truth?

Non-female dominated specialties are generally surgical. And if you are over 40, let me tell you, you DON'T want to do a surgical residency.

Think 100 hour weeks.

Supposedly the laws have changed for max hour/week that residents can work, but I guarantee that they haven't (officially) for surgical residencies.

My advice is go dermatology. If the SHTF with Obamacare (and it will) you can go to an all-cash boutique/spa practice.

45 posted on 08/03/2013 8:00:07 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: neverdem

Elements of this show up everywhere.

In the military, a deep dark secret is that limited and expensive slots are taken in military colleges and schools, to be filled by females with a lower retention and reenlistment rate.


46 posted on 08/03/2013 8:12:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is the libertarian liberalism, not economics)
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To: neverdem

It’s difficult to be a part-time professional in most fields - to stay current with the latest developments in the field, keep up on professional education, maintain the state of mind and focus necessary to do the job - not easy to do on less that a full time basis.....


47 posted on 08/03/2013 8:57:43 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: goodwithagun

Oh, so they aren’t allowed to live lives the way they want? We make them stay home and raise children? Right! And we lose half the doctors in the workforce! That’s a great plan! Did you learn that from the Taliban?


48 posted on 08/03/2013 9:21:12 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

Are you sarcasm impaired?


49 posted on 08/03/2013 9:23:33 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: suthener

This female doc worked part time when her kids were young. I now work full time plus to put them through college, am a chair of a department at my hospital and chief of my service. I have never left a mess or expected others to pick up the slack. When I worked part time I spent a great deal of uncompensated time working from home taking phone calls, etc. I did the same residency as the men, back when residency was 100 hours per week plus. I don’t know where folks get some of the garbage they spout on this thread, but I have not known female docs to be any less professional than their male colleagues. Whether working part time or full time. And by the way, part time in the medical field is often the equivalent of full time most other fields.


50 posted on 08/03/2013 9:31:01 PM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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