Skip to comments.Do you have a gun in the house?
Posted on 08/03/2013 9:03:50 PM PDT by cambyses
Do you have gun in the house?
GOOD TO KNOW!
When I had my gangrene gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in the hospital for what should have been an overnight stay, the insurance company kicked me out. I had home nurse visits for two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.
FYI, I am passing this along... there are comments from two other people I have also been asked if we keep guns in the house. The nurse just kinda slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask.
Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't. My doctor asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes to both questions. Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against criminal attack.
The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else.
Just passing this along for your information: I had to visit a doctor other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation.. One of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any guns in your house?? My answer was None of your business!!
So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government intervention. Either way, it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in lock and load!!
Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun owners... Thanks, from a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: I had a doctor's appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions: 1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?
The nurse then informed me that if I had answered yes to any of the questions I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.
Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or not, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !
If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom.
I would say show up uninvited at 1 am and find out
In general, I approve of honesty and am almost compulsive about it. However, when you are being robbed or otherwise attacked, there is no moral obligation to cooperate truthfully. The government and the medical community can no longer be considered friendly, and we should immediately and without shame lie in response to any question that is none of their business. If you’re there for heart/gall-bladder/physical/whatever, a professional has no business asking about peripheral issues such as firearms, and a free American has no business answering, at least not truthfully. If I am in a situation in which the police have a right to know (pulled over while armed), I will tell them. Otherwise, no one has a right to know unless they are shooting with me.
Note to the NSA: This is purely an academic comment. I have no firearms in my home.
1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?
Practice, Practice,Practice.........at some point it becomes so routine that stress no longer enters the equation and one no longer feels threatened. And the “doing harm to someone” turns into self preservation....which feels Good !
Just say no I do not have just one gun in the house.
The correct response is, “You’ll have to open my door uninvited in order to find out what’s in the house...”
Do I feel stressed, threatened, or like I want to hurt someone?
No, but then again, I haven’t gotten your bill yet, either.
There are a few valid reasons to ask about firearms in the home, along the same lines as, “Your father’s dementia getting worse and his unpredictable hostility is concerning. If he keeps a gun in the home, that’s probably not a good idea anymore.” If you have firearms in the house, remember to make them chid safe, Johnny is going to start crawling soon.”
That said, the issue can be addressed without asking about ownership, and there is zero reason to enter ownership into a medical record.
Probably because you are on the national gun registry.
“Just say no.”
In general I agree, but down the road the forms will include a “perjury proviso” of some sort, saying that if you lie on the form it’s a felony. Gotcha both ways, when their computers tally up your “virtual gun ownership list” from your past purchases etc.
I would not put it past them to match up people who answer “No” with CC holders and then claim you must have lied.
Scream “Asking me about my gun is homophobic!”
Try figuring out what that means and then learn what
‘Subject to the Jurisdiction’ means
“This is my weapon, THIS is my ‘gun’, one is for shooting,....”
What does “valid” have to do with the kenyan?
When the Executor of the laws and the Chief LEO themselves are breaking the laws, and giving a wink and a nod to their supporters to go ahead and break the law,all bets are off. We have entered an age of universal criminality and we had better be prepared to handle it.
Those who go through life believing what they see on TV are in for a rude awakening one of these days.
"Snort"...great response...reminds me of the show Dexter
more and more doctor forms are asking for this info, like any other info that is not related to my health care I simply skip over it.
In the last 5 mos I’ve filled out more health forms than I can count. Not one of them asked for this info.
These doctors need to be reminded of the 200,000 people who die every year in America because of medical mistakes and incompetence.
“No, there’s nobody named Gus living at my house.”
“I often have fun in my house.”
“No, no buns. No wigs, no women’s things whatsoever.”
“A nun? No, I am not Catholic.”
“No, it wouldn’t be wise to run inside my house.”
Always say no. You can always claim that, at the time, they were in the garage or storage shed. And if for some reason the authorities find you have them in your house, you have a plausible denial.
Every time the wife or I go to the doctor we carry a folded copy of this notice and will answer those questions by handing this to the doctor.
(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to
(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or
(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.
(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;
(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
Yep, as is the origination of this thread.....we're on Medicare and both the wife and I have had several hospital/medical type things in the past 18 months....and never been asked anything about weapons.
I don't know why people make this sh*t up.
The question about feeling “stressed” is a dangerous trick question. Let’s say you wake up one fine morning and find blood in your urine and become very stressed because it could mean any of several kinds of cancer. Not wanting to die, you get a doctor’s appointment to have it checked out. The average, intelligent person will be very stressed until he learns what’s causing the problem. Indeed, the usual physical is a stressful event. I suspect most people who go to a doctor feel rather stressed, otherwise they’d not be going.
That’s the kind of conversation I always have with my doctor. He and I are competing to see which of us can make this a more gun saturated country.
I use caller iD all the time. If the call isn’t properly identified, it goes to the answering machine.
I have a similar answer to the smoking question. “No I don’t, but do you think it would relieve the pain?”
I think an ouright NO! is the correct and moral response.
Our first obligation to to our family.
Country is next.
Since, at the present time, the second conflicts with the first, it is moral to do what is need to protect the family.
My solution to filling out medical forms is to keep up to date lists of my medications and surgical procedures on my computer. Any time I go to a doctor who doesn’t have that information, I print out both lists. Saves A LOT of time going through the initial paper work.
I’m having trouble finding the right section (it’s 974 pages). Do you know what page it’s on?
I do not have “a” gun in the house is a good answer, until the doc wises up and ask “how many guns do you have in your house?”
Great idea. I will borrow.
It depends on what the meaning of "a" is.
None. Mine are in the shed, which is where I sleep.
That's when you ask the doc,
"OK, Doc, did you play with your weiner this morning?" and "Just how often do you play with your weiner?"
... and so forth, with increasingly personal and embarrassing questions, until the doctor says,
"That's none of your business."
And you say to the Doc, "Well, there you have it."
Agreed!! We aren’t paying our phone bills for the benefit of con artists or the government for that matter.
Always just say no. You are the happiest most optimistic person in the world and you don’t have no steenking guns. :-)
My goddaughter is a surgeon at a local county medical center. Because thet are a county (government) entity, they are required to ask the question. She doesn’t, the nurses do. She said that you are not required to answer and that the only thing the nurses can do is write “no answer”.
If you just say NO, they “could” charge you with perjury or lying on an official document, just as if you told a cop no when asked if you are armed and he finds a weapon, you go to jail.
The constitution gives you the right to remain silent and refuse to answer. That is not an answer in the affirmative anymore than refusing to take the stand when on trial is an admission of guilt.
Bill Clinton would, so I don't see why you can't.
Not all docs are using the new forms, why waste what you have on hand? They are a business and those forms cost bucks.
What I’ve seen a lot of is NO NEW MEDICARE PATIENTS.
“No, we have 911, why would we need guns?”
You are so right.
Went to a new doctor today and was asked this question. Wouldn’t answer it. My liberal sister started reading stuff from the web saying it was not part of Obamacare. Oy.