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Professor says kids no longer need to learn spelling and grammar because of smartphones
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Posted on 08/04/2013 11:13:50 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Professor says kids no longer need to learn spelling and grammar because of smartphones

The Daily Caller 4 hours ago Education

Several skills that every kid once learned in school are going the way of the dodo in a hurry. Diagramming sentences is practically an extinct art, for example. Cursive handwriting and memorized multiplication tables look to be swiftly headed that way.

Apparently, the next thing that kids will no longer need to learn is spelling and grammar.

Sugata Mitra, a professor of educational technology at Newcastle University in northeast England, announced that traditional language rules are out of fashion, reports the Daily Mail. Kids don’t need to waste time on those things, see. State-of-the-art computers and mobile phones can make the necessary corrections.

Spelling and grammar are “a bit unnecessary because they are skills that were very essential maybe 100 years ago but they are not right now,” Mitra said. “Firstly, my phone corrects my spelling so I don’t really need to think about it and, secondly, because I often skip grammar and write in a cryptic way.”

The professor made the anti-spelling proclamation at a time when the British government is rolling out a host of educational standards including one that will require students to take a spelling test involving 200 complex words near the end of grade school.

Another exam for 11-year-olds that tests spelling, grammar and punctuation was launched this year.

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To: Revolting cat!

There, they’re, their, petal, metal, meddle, stuff like that. Things I learned to differentiate between when I was... what, 9, 10 years old?


51 posted on 08/04/2013 11:45:06 AM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Nazi Ball Soup...HAH!

And he’s Jewish...

No Nazi Ball Soup For YOU!


52 posted on 08/04/2013 11:46:21 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: Sub-Driver

Changing spellings doth make no sense. What hath the author wrought?


53 posted on 08/04/2013 11:46:29 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: left that other site

“Brave New World”


54 posted on 08/04/2013 11:46:59 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Sub-Driver

I recall hearing the same sort of nonsense many years ago, when some education professors declared that due to the pervasiveness of calculators, children no longer needed to learn basic math.

What these morons miss is that these disciplines give a young student tools to use in more advanced studies as an older student or even in life.

Is it any wonder that schools of education usually have the lowest admission standards?

Mark


55 posted on 08/04/2013 11:47:51 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I’m a huge fan of diagramming sentences because if you can diagram them you know your parts of speech. Of course, once the Education Depts. in colleges and universities began to posture themselves in the role of “preparing teachers of the future”, and anyone wanting to teach had to go through their programs —those tried and true methods went out the window. I’ll never forget hitting 9th grade and being told by my English teacher (when I asked her how a specific sentence would look in a diagram) that she had no idea how to diagram.....It was surreal.


56 posted on 08/04/2013 11:48:19 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: Sub-Driver

Two bee oar knot too be ...


57 posted on 08/04/2013 11:48:53 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Sub-Driver

wt u mean no wy cn b dis


58 posted on 08/04/2013 11:49:21 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Someone should write a science fiction story about Rachel Jeantel being transported to the distant future....


59 posted on 08/04/2013 11:50:54 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I was actually Thinking about “1984”, but yes, this fits the “Brave new World” paradigm as well.

Both Books were excellent.


60 posted on 08/04/2013 11:51:53 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: DPMD

If the teachers are “certified” and had to jump through the hoops of the completely useless “Education Department” of any college or university, you are correct. Pair that with how hard it is to fire incompetent teachers because of tenure and it’s a recipe for complete disaster. What needs to happen is for these departments to be abolished. Those wanting to teach others need to be masters in their subject matter. No excuses. No exceptions. Ban the unions and tenure as well. THEN — and ONLY then — would you begin to see the state of education in this land rise.


61 posted on 08/04/2013 11:53:01 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: MarkL

All kids need to learn for 12 years is to obey master government, fill out welfare forms, where the nearest abortion clinics are (already a big lesson in NYC schools) and crap like that


62 posted on 08/04/2013 11:53:32 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: umgud

I want one of those.

Maybe I could “dial” a number without accidentally hitting the wrong number for a change


63 posted on 08/04/2013 11:53:37 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: GeronL

I fear that they would marvel at her brilliance and diction.


64 posted on 08/04/2013 11:53:43 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Sub-Driver

Exhibit A: Travon’s text messages. Some phones is smarter’n some folks.


65 posted on 08/04/2013 11:56:25 AM PDT by StAntKnee (Add your own danged sarc tag)
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To: Sub-Driver

We’re getting closer and closer to the day when the machines completely take over. Some people think that’s a good thing. I remember reading some radical literature in college way back, and reading one article by some hippie who couldn’t wait for the day when machines took over and people could take drugs all day. Do I want to go back to the time before machines? No way. But the more we let some machine do some chore that we could do with a little or a lot of effort, we get closer to the day when machines run our lives. How human will we be then?


66 posted on 08/04/2013 11:57:51 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Sub-Driver; All


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67 posted on 08/04/2013 11:57:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: Sub-Driver

“...professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...”


68 posted on 08/04/2013 11:59:30 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: jeffc
I remember 1960's The Time Machine with Rod Taylor. When he went way into the future, the people there couldn't read the books they had - which were splintering and falling to dust from age and neglect - and they were as dumb as rocks and very compliant, something the feral government would love to see happen.

On the other hand, they did look like this:

So it's not as if it's a total loss.

69 posted on 08/04/2013 12:00:19 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Sub-Driver

a professor who couldn’t teach simple grammar and spelling and now has found an excuse to avoid trying


70 posted on 08/04/2013 12:01:30 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: Sub-Driver

Preparing kids for the “want fries with that” job of the future.


71 posted on 08/04/2013 12:03:34 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Viva Christo Rey)
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To: Gay State Conservative

That one just made me LOL.


72 posted on 08/04/2013 12:06:06 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: faithhopecharity

A college professor shouldn’t need to teach simple grammar and spelling if you ask me. Our schools have failed so bad that this is now a college issue?


73 posted on 08/04/2013 12:07:15 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Izzy Dunne
my grammar and spelling are rather good but i’m 60 and couldn't deconstruct a sentence beyond basic subject noun and verb. i do say “i am well” (adv modifying a verb) instead of “i am good” (adj which can only modify a noun.). i had a high school english teacher (Mr. Karl Yount 1967-69) who hated teaching grammar but recognized the importance of clear communication. he broke down all the grammar and punctuation rules we needed to know into 3 class periods the first week of the semester. no parsing per se just “you need a comma here because....” and you lost points for spelling and grammar.
obviously my quirk is all lower case and i am very forgiving about typos, maybe even a there for their because i can think faster than (not then) i type. this probably comes from my K-12 instruction and having worked as a technical illustrator with technical writers and editors for the past 22 years. and i rarely text, don't even have a smart phone
74 posted on 08/04/2013 12:08:35 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: Kip Russell
If you make the movie in the '70s, Weena looks like this:

But if you make it in 2002, she looks like this:

Which is interesting, given that in the original novel by H. G. Wells, they are described as the Eloi are described as being smaller than modern humans, having shoulder-length curly hair, chins that ran to a point, large eyes, small ears, and small mouths with bright red thin lips.

75 posted on 08/04/2013 12:10:16 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

76 posted on 08/04/2013 12:10:25 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: GeronL

yes.
many colleges are cutting out advanced courses or even Shakespeare and Chaucer and so forth,
and putting in remedial English classes

due to the need, failure of grammar schools and high schools...to do the job..


77 posted on 08/04/2013 12:13:56 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: Sub-Driver

I used to live in Orick. Auto correct does a fine job with that one.


78 posted on 08/04/2013 12:14:18 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: Sub-Driver

no need of real English classes, Shakespeare or? anymore....

not with modern technology

http://collegeofsanmateo.edu/film/docs/FILM680.pdf


79 posted on 08/04/2013 12:16:20 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (E)
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To: Sub-Driver
No comment..........

I thought it ironic that this thread and the "Voluntary Human Extinction Movement" thread should be posted back~to~back. They both represent the nihilistic bent of humans that is rapidly reaching the tipping point.

When a significant number of people devolve to the point where they no longer hold any interest in the future of their own species it bodes ill for all of us. Because in one way or another they will seek to drag us down with them.

I wish I knew what could be done - all I know is to separate myself from them and try to shield my family from their degenerate influences.

80 posted on 08/04/2013 12:17:41 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Sub-Driver
I often skip grammar and write in a cryptic way.

Oh, well then.....what a great way to communicate your ideas: Cryptically!

81 posted on 08/04/2013 12:18:43 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, after being lectured by MSNBCNN about what an intellectual Rachel Jeantel was, perhaps he has a point.


82 posted on 08/04/2013 12:19:57 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Oh come on, Sub-Driver, why should kids bother their busy little heads with spelling and grammar when they have such interesting video games and ‘n stuff?

And gangs to play with. And stores to rob. And citizens to murder.

Have a heart, fellah.


83 posted on 08/04/2013 12:20:25 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: Kip Russell
To also compare and contrast: The Time Traveler, as depicted in 1960:

1978:

2002:


84 posted on 08/04/2013 12:20:37 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: bgill

hunka hunka burning crap


85 posted on 08/04/2013 12:27:24 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: umgud

omg that made me smile a big smile. so many years ago....


86 posted on 08/04/2013 12:29:49 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Izzy Dunne

this is hugh and series


87 posted on 08/04/2013 12:30:49 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Kip Russell

There is just no way to make the seventies not look stupid is there?


88 posted on 08/04/2013 12:33:46 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MarkL

“I recall hearing the same sort of nonsense many years ago, when some education professors declared that due to the pervasiveness of calculators, children no longer needed to learn basic math.”

Every now and then, I get out the old bamboo slide rule and give it a spin just to see if I still remember how it works.


89 posted on 08/04/2013 12:53:21 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Sub-Driver

They need to know spelling just enough to vote Democrat (with a little help from a friendly “poll watcher).”


90 posted on 08/04/2013 1:02:32 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Kip Russell

He also set the original in London. What can you say? Movie writers take creative license.


91 posted on 08/04/2013 1:05:29 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Sub-Driver

Noam Chomsky’s brilliant Whole Language English instruction single-handedly reduced the literacy skills of black children from almost on a par with white children, to illiterate, in a little more than a single decade, insuring failure in school and perpetual impoverishment for millions of black people.

Thus Noam Chomsky has done more than any other person, alive or dead, to “Keep the black man down”. So much for his “bright idea”.

But this being said, pronouncements about what children need and what they do not need from such academics has lost so much credibility, that it will take 500 or more years before *anything*, *any* of them say should even be considered as possible.


92 posted on 08/04/2013 1:11:52 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: Revolting cat!

if they do this their is going to be troubul


93 posted on 08/04/2013 1:16:34 PM PDT by Xenophon450 (Profit tells the entrepreneur that the consumers approve of his ventures; loss, that they disapprove)
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To: Sub-Driver

Using autocorrect is stupid. Better to just learn to do it right!

There’s no autocorrect for stupidity. If there were, every time I type in imposter, it would correct it to 0bama.


94 posted on 08/04/2013 1:22:21 PM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: yldstrk

They are learning the environmental 3 r’s, reuse, recycle and reduce. Guess they are training them all to be trash men.


95 posted on 08/04/2013 1:25:00 PM PDT by Guardian Sebastian
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To: Sub-Driver

On the subject of learning multiplication tables, long division; etc., the Ct. school system around the U. Conn. area announced its decision to stop teaching the multiplication tables and long division. My sister, herself a teacher, was next to an old German engineer during the decision. The brilliant engineer shook his head sadly, turned to my sister and told her the school board was making a serious mistake. As a old, wise engineer, he should know what he is talking about.


96 posted on 08/04/2013 1:36:44 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Sub-Driver
Spelling and grammar are “a bit unnecessary because they are skills that were very essential maybe 100 years ago but they are not right now,” Mitra said.

From a physiological perspective,what the process of education requires of the student through his exercises is and actual imprinting of his brain. Yet, under the influence of the philosophy of Romanticism, contemporary education is fundamentally opposed to these essentials of education.It draws a distinction between "problem solving," which it views as "creative," and claims to favor, and "memorization," which it appears to regard as an imposition on the students, who's valuable, executive time, it claims,can be better spent in "problem solving."

Contemporary education is responsible for the growing prevalence of irrational skepticism. The students subjected to it do not acquire actual knowledge, The have no firm foundation in a base of memorized facts, and they have not acquired any solid knowledge of principles, because their education has, as far as possible, avoided the painstaking processes of logical proof and repeated application of principles, which latter constitutes a vital and totally legitimate form of memorization.

Their failure to memorize such things as the multiplication tables in their childhood makes it impossible for them to understand whatever directly depends on such knowledge, which in turn makes it impossible for them to acquire the further knowledge that depends on that knowledge, and so on. With each passing year of their education, they fall further behind.

97 posted on 08/04/2013 1:38:57 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Sub-Driver

Last year I cudn’t spel collige student now I are one...


98 posted on 08/04/2013 1:40:25 PM PDT by NCjim (Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: Stepan12
I meant to write an old, wise engineer. (I said the engineer was wise, not me).
99 posted on 08/04/2013 1:45:29 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: JLLH
Nope. You could have Albert Einstein in front of the class and NOTHING will be taught unless you are allowed to maintain discipline in your classroom. "F___ you ol' man, you boring,", "Kin I have da bafroom pass?" (the #1 most asked question in a classroom!!!), "Suck my d__k, you ugly," etc. would be the typical NYC high school response.

If Einstein then asked them to be quiet so that he could teach, 10 of them would collaborate to write a statement that he said something sexual or threatened them, and then Einstein would be removed and put into the Absent Teacher Reserve or worse. Whatever the kids say is "substantiated" and the teacher is not believed at all. The teacher's authority is undermined, heck, blown to complete hell. The teacher is the prey of the students, who don't want to do any work and yet want a passing grade.

But all you can complain about is teachers unions. Walk a mile in the moccasins of a NYC high school teacher, then get back to me. If you live long enough. I've seen 2 colleagues carried out on stretchers and numerous others assaulted and injured.

100 posted on 08/04/2013 1:50:31 PM PDT by EinNYC
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