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[Wis. Catholic] Hospitals can't deny admitting privileges to abortion doctors, AG says
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 8-7-2013

Posted on 08/07/2013 7:15:38 AM PDT by markomalley

Plans by three Catholic hospital systems in Wisconsin to deny admitting privileges to doctors who perform abortions would "be in active violation of federal law," Attorney General J. B. Van Hollen's Department of Justice said in a court filing last week.

Federal law "provides that hospitals accepting federal funds may not discriminate against a physician because that physician has participated in or refused to participate in abortions," the state Justice Department said in its filing in federal court.

According to experts on federal law, if doctors can prove they were not granted privileges specifically because they perform the procedure, the hospital systems —Wheaton Franciscan Healthcare, Columbia St. Mary's Health System and Hospital Sisters Health System — could lose federal dollars in the form of research and public health grants.

Doctors who perform abortions would be required to obtain privileges at hospitals within 30 miles of their clinics under a new law that has been blocked until at least November by a federal judge. Seven doctors who provide abortions in the state lack privileges, and at least four are applying for them at religiously affiliated hospitals, according to their employer, Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin.

The hospitals said they would not grant privileges to abortion providers, following confusion over their stance in federal court. In the abortion providers' challenge to the law, their attorneys said the privileges requirement would be especially difficult to meet because a large proportion of Wisconsin hospitals are religiously affiliated and opposed to abortion.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortiondoctors; catholichospital
In the battle between religion and immorality, religion will lose every time. Obamerica at its finest (/sarc)
1 posted on 08/07/2013 7:15:38 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
Federal law "provides that hospitals accepting federal funds may not discriminate against a physician because that physician has participated in or refused to participate in abortions," the state Justice Department said in its filing in federal court.

Not just "research grants"....think MediCare and MediCaid.

2 posted on 08/07/2013 7:20:21 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: markomalley

Since when does a payer determine what services a company provides? It’s like going to a steak house and demanding tofu. You want tofu, fine, go somewhere else, we don’t sell it.


3 posted on 08/07/2013 7:23:36 AM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: markomalley

Accepting federal money is the rope by which it hangs public schools, construction, religious hospitals - even entire states. I think churches, too, are going to have to jettison their tax exempt status if they want to continue their theological independence.

The tentacles of the federal government are long and strong once we accept the money. States, businesses, and churches need to cut their monetary ties to the feds.


4 posted on 08/07/2013 7:24:22 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Roccus

” ...think MediCare and MediCaid.”

Or Tricare or Champva.

And, once Obamacare kicks in, would not that include all “Exchange” insurance, too? (because of the federal “affordable premium credit” subsidies that will be pumped into them)


5 posted on 08/07/2013 7:24:54 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Roccus

Would hospitals be permitted to deny admitting privileges to doctors who are murderers? If the answer is “yes” then, in the eyes of Catholics, Orthodox Jews and Evangelical Christians, (and others) there is no difference.


6 posted on 08/07/2013 7:25:59 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Roccus

re: “Not just “research grants”....think MediCare and MediCaid.”

Good point. Can a hospital or doctor refuse to take medicare or medicaid?


7 posted on 08/07/2013 7:26:04 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: markomalley
Wheaton Franciscan Healthcare, Columbia St. Mary's Health System and Hospital Sisters Health System — could lose federal dollars in the form of research and public health grants.

there's the kicker huh?

8 posted on 08/07/2013 7:26:39 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: markomalley

Will they close down then?


9 posted on 08/07/2013 7:28:48 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: rusty schucklefurd
Accepting federal money is the rope by which it hangs public schools, construction, religious hospitals - even entire states. I think churches, too, are going to have to jettison their tax exempt status if they want to continue their theological independence.

I've been advocating that for years, especially in the church where I'm a member.

Pissing against the wind my friend.

10 posted on 08/07/2013 7:28:57 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: markomalley

THAT’s why you want the federal government out of EVERYTHING

First they give you money, then they threaten to take it away if you dont do what they say.

Its a mob protection racket on steroids


11 posted on 08/07/2013 7:30:35 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Yep


12 posted on 08/07/2013 7:34:59 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Roccus

“Not just “research grants”....think MediCare and MediCaid.”

One could argue that Medicare is not government money. That money belongs to those who paid in to it.

And Medicaid is a welfare program but since it is run by the individual states, it would fall under state law.


13 posted on 08/07/2013 7:35:52 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

Then, nothing to worry about.


14 posted on 08/07/2013 7:37:43 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Graybeard58

re: “ I’ve been advocating that for years, especially in the church where I’m a member. Pissing against the wind my friend.”

Well, yes and no. We all know that churches are going to be hit with lawsuits regarding not allowing same-sex marriages to be performed in their facilities, or even renting out church facilities to such “couples”. In fact, I think there is already a lawsuit regarding the former.

True Christian churches and pastors/priests are very soon going to have to make a choice: “Serve God or money”. I cringe at the thought of how many churches and church leaders will go with the money.

However, in my circles, there are several Baptist pastors who are already discussing this possibility and that they are going to let the 501c go if it comes to that. I know these men and I believe them. Many churches are going to lose their buildings and property because of having to pay taxes on that property because they just will not have the money to pay the taxes and pay for building upkeep, ministerial salaries, mission projects, study materials, etc.

I guess we’ll have to do what the church has always done - go underground when under persecution. It’s been that way since the beginning and is still that way right now in many places in the world.

But, as Jesus said, “the world hates you because it hates Me, but, be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.”


15 posted on 08/07/2013 7:38:49 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: markomalley

Also keep an eye open for young christian teenage women being required to do the community service in abortion clinics.......

One thing the left knows without a doubt, conservatives are cowards and will do absolutely nothing to stop what is going on, all you hear is outrage, I said outrage at what is happening.


16 posted on 08/07/2013 7:39:30 AM PDT by stockpirate (American taxpayer's are: The New World Order slaves for the collective.)
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To: markomalley

Let me tell you what Indira Ghandi said when a company that was being financed by the government refused to do what the government directed; “IF I’M FEEDING THE BIRD, THAT BIRD IS GOING TO SING MY SONG”. This is what happens when any company takes “GOVERNMENT” money. You cannot choose which rule you will obey and which ones you will not. Who did they think they are, OBAMA? Only Obama can pick and choose which law or rule he will follow and which ones he will not. You cannot make a deal with “EVIL”, anytime and any place. “EVIL” will always win. They have 2 choices,these Catholic hospitals, either not take government money, and live by their own rules, or take government money and do as the government directed.


17 posted on 08/07/2013 7:39:38 AM PDT by gingerbread
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To: gingerbread

Why follow Ghandi?


18 posted on 08/07/2013 7:41:54 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: markomalley

Easy solution.

Tell the feds to shove their “funds” up their collective smelly Obamas.

Sooner or later, we’ve just got to dump the federal government.

It is beyond corrupt, and is current manned and womaned by inept sleazebags with the collective IQ of a CNN reporter.


19 posted on 08/07/2013 7:44:13 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: markomalley
Federal law "provides that hospitals accepting federal funds may not discriminate against a physician because that physician has participated in or refused to participate in abortions"

First...do no harm!

20 posted on 08/07/2013 7:46:18 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: markomalley

Once again....

THANK YOU CATHOLIC BISHOPS for your gutless equivocating during the 2012 Presidential Election.


21 posted on 08/07/2013 7:51:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: markomalley

Deny any abortions at any stage at their hospitals. If those docs can’t perform abortions for any reason at any stage then the same thing is accomplished. I’m no legal expert so someo ne correct me if I’m wrong.


22 posted on 08/07/2013 7:52:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Oy vey, Mr. McF

I sure wish I could say you were wrong.


23 posted on 08/07/2013 8:05:13 AM PDT by stanne
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To: markomalley

I imagine that there are a large amount of religious based hospitals - the government needs them as much as they need the government. Imagine if these faith based hospitals were all to announce their closure due to their religious liberties being violated.

If you fail to use the leverage you have then they fail themselves!


24 posted on 08/07/2013 8:16:56 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
First...do no harm!

Harm??? What are you thinking? Do you understand how relieved a woman is when the prospect of the arrival of a little girl or boy is "lifted" from her? I mean,she'll be able to go back to school...to keep her figure...to get her boyfriend-du-jour off the hook for child support payments.

Do no harm indeed!

25 posted on 08/07/2013 8:18:02 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: gingerbread

Pick and choose rules? You jest. Compulsion to contract is illegal, and that is exactly what the government is attempting. If government purchases cars from a vendor can they then demand the vendor supply airplanes? The vendor is not in the airplane business. Yes, planes are another mode of conveyance, but so what? The vendor produces cars not planes. You want a plane, go see the plane vendor. Likewise, you want an abortion, go see an abortion vendor.


26 posted on 08/07/2013 8:24:23 AM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

The SAD part is the Federal government uses OUR money against us!!!”!”!


27 posted on 08/07/2013 8:31:45 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Not once Obamacare passed. obamacare mandates that no new hospitals will allowed to be built unless they agree to receive federal funding.

Welcome to the National Socialist America.


28 posted on 08/07/2013 8:36:06 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: stanne

My great uncle was a Jesuit who was trained back in the 1930’s. If the government had attempted such a thing in his day, parish Priests would have been at the pulpit in every Mass instructing the faithful that “it is a SIN to cast your vote to re-elect this man!”


29 posted on 08/07/2013 8:38:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: markomalley

Would seem to be quite simple if we were still operating under a Constitution. The “First Amendment” supersedes a mere Federal law. Period!

And by the way, seeing as the mythical “right to abortion” was simply a “right to privacy” the Feds have stepped on their own dicks with all the unconstitutional, 4th amendment violating, anti-privacy spying.

When will we develop the spine to hit the reset button on this government?


30 posted on 08/07/2013 8:38:59 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Have a few here, including deacons, who do this in a diplomatic but unequivocal way

Lost a bunch of mexican families who consider it a sin to vote republican (they go by the mexican version of that party, not being assimilated)

Dominican nuns in the ‘60s were talking that way, also. Their message got lost on a lot of people for various reasons including their being old burnt out and too tough ( abusive in some cases)

G Weigel in I think “Goodbye Good Men “ talks about th Jesuits and their rejection of HV. Got lots of J devotees in my family too


31 posted on 08/07/2013 8:50:16 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Mr. K

This is why we need to dump the income tax and quit worrying about dreaming up a scheme to replace that revenue. The Feds shouldn’t have enough revenue to bribe and bully states and other institutions. They should be paupers, begging us with hat in hand every time they want money to do something.


32 posted on 08/07/2013 8:59:08 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yup, the wild-eyed atheist baby-killers have their own flexible “code of morality”.


33 posted on 08/07/2013 9:03:04 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Buckeye McFrog

‘The Courage to be Catholic’ might be it

Anything by weigel is good. But i think this is the one i read it so long ago


34 posted on 08/07/2013 9:07:44 AM PDT by stanne
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To: markomalley

They are forcing people to choose between their job and their religion.

But they have a different standard for the death cult. All death cultists can enjoy jobs, exemption from obamacare, and practice their uncivilized religion all the while showering hate on Christians and Jews.


35 posted on 08/07/2013 9:32:18 AM PDT by I want the USA back (There's no autocorrect for stupidity.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Churches need to engage in a little civil disobedience.

First of all, refuse any and all demands by the government to countenance homosexuality or infanticide.

Then, if the government rescinds tax-exempt status, simply refuse to pay taxes.


36 posted on 08/07/2013 9:58:44 AM PDT by Walrus (America died on November 6, 2012 --- RIP)
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To: markomalley

You can’t serve two masters. The Catholic church will have to choose sooner or later. This is just the first round; eventually the government will coerce churches to perform homosexual “weddings” and Christian hospitals to perform abortions.


37 posted on 08/07/2013 10:23:18 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: markomalley

Sadly, J. B. Van Hollen is proving himself to be no friend of conservatives. He is just an empty suit.


38 posted on 08/07/2013 11:29:40 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Walrus

Then, if the government rescinds tax-exempt status, simply refuse to pay taxes.
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I don’t see why they need it anyway ,, simply burn the cash ,, spend it on good works , building schools etc. etc. no profit , no tax.


39 posted on 08/07/2013 12:49:47 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: markomalley

I don’t get this at all


40 posted on 08/07/2013 12:51:06 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: rusty schucklefurd
Good point. Can a hospital or doctor refuse to take medicare or medicaid?

They do it all the time. But the real problem is the patient. Elderly patients are forced onto Medicare, and poor people are forced onto Medicaid. Their options will be limited if this ruling stands. For instance, my doctor accepts Medicare (for now) and he practices at Columbia St. Mary's. If I don't want to frequent a hospital that provides abortions, I lose both my hospital and my doctor.

41 posted on 08/07/2013 1:41:37 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

re: “They do it all the time. But the real problem is the patient. Elderly patients are forced onto Medicare, and poor people are forced onto Medicaid. Their options will be limited if this ruling stands. For instance, my doctor accepts Medicare (for now) and he practices at Columbia St. Mary’s. If I don’t want to frequent a hospital that provides abortions, I lose both my hospital and my doctor.”

It’s the “catch 22” routine I see. What a diabolical thing our government has become. God help us.


42 posted on 08/07/2013 2:44:51 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: cornelis

Damned good question, but this is what this regime is demanding. Hey, you are taking government money, you play by government rules. Same as what Indira Ghandi did in India. You really believe that this regime will tolerate any company to do as they want, while they are getting money from the regime? This is what’s going to happen to these Catholic hospitals. The government will take the money away from them and they will be forced to comply, if they want the money back


43 posted on 08/08/2013 3:43:17 PM PDT by gingerbread
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To: Mr. K

Mr. K you left one very important thing out...

FIRST they take ( steal ) your money, then they take their ‘’share’’ out then they send you a small percentage of your money back then they threaten to take it away if you dont do what THEY say.

THAT’s why you want the federal government out of EVERYTHING

First they give you money, then they threaten to take it away if you dont do what they say.

Its a mob protection racket on steroids


44 posted on 08/08/2013 5:28:27 PM PDT by democratsaremyenemy
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