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SALON: Sorry, conservatives, Obama didnít gaffe on Leno
SALON ^ | 08/09/2013 | ALEX SEITZ-WALD

Posted on 08/10/2013 11:32:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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The narrative here would seem to be that Obama is dumb and doesn’t even know basic geography. But no one really believes that and even Obama’s most ardent critics have never questioned his intelligence. Instead of the hapless dunce in the mold of liberals’ anti-Bush caricatures, conservatives see Obama as a conniving radical. Or an out-of-touch, former law professor, ivory tower elitist. Either way, not dumb. Ted Cruz said today that he modeled his campaign after Obama’s because it was so smart and effective.

Meanwhile, “downplaying the threat of terrorism” is plainly not a gaffe — it’s an assessment of the world that is different from how conservatives would see it. On the Olympics, Obama said, “if Russia wants to uphold the Olympic spirit, then every judgment should be made on the track, or in the swimming pool, or on the balance beam.” As Newsbusters nails him: “The track and field events, swimming competitions and gymnastics all take place during the summer games. Sochi, Russia is the site of the 2014 Winter Olympics.” BOOM! Nailed him.

More troubling is that Obama said Putin “headed up the KGB.” It’s a common misconception, but in fact the Russian president only rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel before retiring from the spy agency to enter politics. That maybe suggests a lack of a specific bit of knowledge vaguely relevant to an important foreign policy issue, but it’s still not really a political gaffe.

As Tommy Christopher writes, “Another reason that gaffes don’t stick to this president is that, fair or not, they don’t fit an established narrative for him. When John McCain refers to ‘Czechoslovakia,’ it’s funny because he’s old, and when Sarah Palin says North Korea is our ally, it’s funny because of her overbearing jingoism and perceived dimness.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gaffes; jayleno; obama; obamagaffes; obamaleno
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To: blueunicorn6

“57 states? Yeah, he’s a genius”

I remember when he got mad at the Republicans at some meeting and said that they were trying to make him call his own bluff. His own bluff? Probably had no time to play poker at Columbia to learn about who calls whose bluffs.

Listen to him hemming and hawing when he is without his teleprompter.

Or how about during the debate when Obozo claimed that businesses receive tax deduction for taking a plant overseas. I loved Romney’s response: “Listen, I’ve been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I maybe need to get a new accountant.” Obozo and his minions never proved Romney wrong, b/c they couldn’t.

The list is very long. Yet a lot of people with eyes and ears can’t see or hear.


51 posted on 08/10/2013 12:21:37 PM PDT by Susquehanna Patriot (U Think Leftist/Liberals Still Believe That Dissent = Highest Form of Patriotism?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh my goodness! This article is hilarious! I can’t believe anyone would think they would even need to write such a thing. Talk about thin-skinned.


52 posted on 08/10/2013 12:21:38 PM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mmmm hmmm, sure this rings true /s


53 posted on 08/10/2013 12:22:38 PM PDT by daku
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To: SeekAndFind
But no one really believes that and even Obama’s most ardent critics have never questioned his intelligence.

Every freaking day.

54 posted on 08/10/2013 12:24:48 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: SeekAndFind
The problem is that none of these are really gaffes. A political gaffe, in the classic sense as coined by columnist Michael Kinsley, “is when a politician tells the truth — some obvious truth he isn’t supposed to say.”

But when Bush is president, anything slightly off is a gaffe.

55 posted on 08/10/2013 12:25:26 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Allow me to summarize:

Whatever erroneous statements Obama has made are not important errors.


56 posted on 08/10/2013 12:26:58 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Obama is stupid.

Maybe not stupid, but certainly not as smart as he thinks he is.

AA is what got him where he is, not his intelligence.

Sure, but he's also pretty typical of some White people who coast from prep school to the Ivy League and into law firms or college and foundation positions.

From the article:

But no one really believes that and even Obama’s most ardent critics have never questioned his intelligence. Instead of the hapless dunce in the mold of liberals’ anti-Bush caricatures, conservatives see Obama as a conniving radical. Or an out-of-touch, former law professor, ivory tower elitist. Either way, not dumb.

It's silly to think that opponents (or supporters of politicians) have one universal and fixed image of their political love or hate objects. The prevailing images fasten on something about the politician, but usually have as much to say about the critics (or fans) and where they're coming from.

From the "Austrian language" gaffe on, it was pretty clear that Obama, like many members of his generation in high positions didn't have much grasp of geography or history. That didn't necessarily mean he was stupid, but he wasn't as educated as his fans thought he was. Obama had the polished surface of an Ivy League graduate, but he never struck me as independent-minded or a deep thinker or especially reflective.

57 posted on 08/10/2013 12:27:00 PM PDT by x
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To: SeekAndFind

The left excels at recognizing the need to defend the FIRST AFFIRMATIVE ACTION president. THE FOREIGNER doesn’t know the U.S. geography because he’s not from the U.S.. Ask him about Indonesia. That’s where he studied geography.


58 posted on 08/10/2013 12:29:06 PM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: x

He was raised and influenced by marxists and that is how he thinks. How did America elect a person who doesn’t know how many states we have and what cities are located on the Gulf Coast? And listen to him without his teleprompter. He is stupid. He was elected because of the color of his skin. If he was white, he’d be unemployed.


59 posted on 08/10/2013 12:32:48 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Re: 40

Very insightful letter. I hope you sent it.

60 posted on 08/10/2013 12:35:17 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well Alex, with 57 states you never know.

Own it you idiot, Bronco is a complete socialist dumbass.


61 posted on 08/10/2013 12:35:53 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ignore the man behind the curtain!


62 posted on 08/10/2013 12:37:18 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: tumblindice

Only a D student would hide his grades.


63 posted on 08/10/2013 12:42:45 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Clearly Salon itself did not use the definition stated in this article with Bush, that is, that a gaffe is “revealing truths that you weren’t supposed to reveal.”

In this article http://www.salon.com/2000/09/15/bush_71/ they stated, “Then Bush fell prey to a series of gaffes — one in which he called a New York Times reporter an asshole...”

OR, maybe Salon thinks this NYT reporter really IS an asshole, but Bush wasn’t supposed to reveal that secret.


64 posted on 08/10/2013 12:45:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: TigersEye

It is no occident that we have not seen his grades.


65 posted on 08/10/2013 12:50:55 PM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Josa
But no one really believes that and even Obama’s most ardent critics have never questioned his intelligence.

Well I do!

"I want to see his LSAT scores"

I want to see his SAT scores and his undergraduate college transcripts. They leaked George Bush's grades and test scores (and they weren't bad). Obama's are more carefully guarded than the gold in Fort Knox.

Does anyone really think that if Obamas's weren't embarrassingly awful, they wouldn't have leaked them?

66 posted on 08/10/2013 12:51:31 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
But no one really believes that and even Obama’s most ardent critics have never questioned his intelligence.

I wondered how far down it would be before this was challenged.

The guy is dumber than a brick.

67 posted on 08/10/2013 12:51:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. (iron curtain / bamboo curtain))
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To: SeekAndFind

He has the intelligence, personality and African-Caucasian makeup to do exactly what he is doing, most of which is hidden from us.


68 posted on 08/10/2013 12:59:00 PM PDT by Marylander
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Zero is an arrogant know-nothing, accomplished nothing in the real world bureaucrat. His biggest ideas are old school failed socialism. He offers nothing but being a big government hack.

And speaking of low intelligence, Salon is the most intellectually void political opinion blog/website I've ever read. Just empty sarcasm and demagoguery with no real thoughtful analysis. They actually blame the fall of Detroit on conservatives. Talk about factory preset libtard babble.

69 posted on 08/10/2013 1:02:00 PM PDT by snarkytart
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70 posted on 08/10/2013 1:02:33 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SeekAndFind

So the East Coast is on the Gulf?


71 posted on 08/10/2013 1:05:12 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SeekAndFind

If someone put it on his teleprompter and he read it, did he actually mean it?


72 posted on 08/10/2013 1:10:56 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We’re confusing terms here. There is smart, and there is wise; there is dull and there is ignorant and there is stupid. They are not all the same.


73 posted on 08/10/2013 1:12:40 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Bullish

“Obama is dumb ... no one really believes that.”

Question-begging in the first sentence. Why do they even bother trying to defend him? Or to write at all?
Oh yeah, ‘cause their boy made a jacka$$ out of himself. Again. These people are primates.


74 posted on 08/10/2013 1:13:37 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

Primates aren’t even this stupid. I mean, who do they think they’re fooling at this point?


75 posted on 08/10/2013 1:19:11 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: SeekAndFind
During his interview with Jay Leno Tuesday night, Obama made what Glenn Beck called a “staggering geographical gaffe” when he said we need to deepen “our ports all along the Gulf — in places like Charleston, South Carolina, or Savannah, Georgia, or Jacksonville, Florida.” But those ports are on the Atlantic, not the Gulf Coast! Dust off the articles of impeachment! (Never mind that they serve the Gulf, even if they aren’t actually on it.)

Really..what the hell does that mean, they serve the Gulf??..they serve the gulf breakfast?!??!..after reading this tripe, one must ask the author, do you swallow or spit?!?!?

76 posted on 08/10/2013 1:21:41 PM PDT by BerniesFriend (Sarah Palin-"Lord knows she's attractive" says bitter Andrea Mitchell and the rest of the MSM)
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To: BerniesFriend

You will never see his college scores or enhance papers. The people who he has in his education department now got him in.

Cass Sunstein, Bill Ayers and others from the Annenberg Challenge arranged him getting into school with money from probably a big Muzzie donor.

Follow the money.


77 posted on 08/10/2013 1:33:30 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

For starters, B-HO is mathematically challenged. His grammar is poor. He doesn’t know how many states this nation has. He knows very little history. What has he been doing over the years with this astoundingly high IQ the MSM has assigned to him?


78 posted on 08/10/2013 1:36:21 PM PDT by abclily
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
And Solon lies yet again. I believe he is dumber then a stump.

For the first time in my life (61) I am smarter than my President.

And that's a scary thought!

79 posted on 08/10/2013 1:37:48 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: SeekAndFind
But no one really believes that and even Obama’s most ardent critics have never questioned his intelligence

Clearly, this guy never read FR threads.

80 posted on 08/10/2013 1:49:58 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: SeekAndFind
The narrative here would seem to be that Obama is dumb and doesn’t even know basic geography. But no one really believes that and even Obama’s most ardent critics have never questioned his intelligence.

Baloney. Our president is a living example of the basic truth that an Ivy League education combined with an utter lack of experience in any productive work can produce a naive ideologue who spends his life being surprised that his university classroom stereotypes and cliches don't actually have anything to do with the real world.
81 posted on 08/10/2013 1:59:27 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: IrishBrigade
...why would you remark at all about Obama’s grades in college if you know nothing about them...? How does that help your argument?

That's correct, and why I never do that. But, Gore's grades *were* released, and Bush's were far better than his. The libs just gloss it over.

82 posted on 08/10/2013 2:03:18 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve never seen a shred of evidence that Obama has anything more than an average intelligence if that. He’s not well-spoken, shows no sign of being well-read and fell for the idiocy of socialism. He’s a chump.


83 posted on 08/10/2013 2:04:31 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: SeekAndFind

Precisely !


84 posted on 08/10/2013 2:08:21 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: SeekAndFind

Okay, this person admits obama says totally wrong and/or stupid stuff.

Then he uses some kind of pretzel logic to make his point that:

Since obama’s considered intelligent by any and all who matter...his stupidity is okay.

When obama gets his “facts” partially right...his partial stupidity is okay.

And since his stupidity isn’t due to the fact that he’s a doddering old fool — but just has his facts wrong or partially wrong...it’s okay.

And finally, since obama’s not a dimwit like the one who exposes his evil plans for the US on an almost daily basis...it’s all okay!

FAIL

And why bring up the “irrelevant” Sarah anyway?

They’re all finding out how right and relevant she’s been all along. That’s why.


85 posted on 08/10/2013 2:12:11 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: SeekAndFind
...even Obama’s most ardent critics have never questioned his intelligence. Instead of the hapless dunce in the mold of liberals’ anti-Bush caricatures, conservatives see Obama as a conniving radical. Or an out-of-touch, former law professor, ivory tower elitist. Either way, not dumb.

Oh, he's dumb all right, but he's clever - he knows he can push and push and few will dare try to stop him, and he thinks he already knows everything he needs to know and won't be advised differently.

86 posted on 08/10/2013 2:16:48 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: SeekAndFind
even Obama’s most ardent critics have never questioned his intelligence

She got that right, but not the way she meant. Obama is an evil, bigoted, anti-American communist, but at least he is too lazy and stupid to do as much damage to the United States as a free country as he would like to inflict. I don't question his intelligence or his morals, not when he has consistently proven that both are negligible.

87 posted on 08/10/2013 2:18:11 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SeekAndFind

One can be conniving and radical and still not too bright. And one can become a professor and not be book smart if one never attended class and gets installed for political reasons.

But, Alex, you might want to check your own magazine before you start projecting. Yes, projecting. Bush was supposed to be the world’s biggest dunce (next to Palin, maybe) and yet (the story goes) he fooled everyone in the world about WMDs and everything else in the war and he was constantly misunderestimated.


88 posted on 08/10/2013 2:32:22 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sure the Gulf must touch several of the 57 States. /S


89 posted on 08/10/2013 2:42:12 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: SeekAndFind
Ted Cruz said today that he modeled his campaign after Obama’s because it was so smart and effective.

Doesn't mean Obama is smart; frankly I haven't seen any real evidence of that contention. I think what Cruz meant was that the Obama campaign was smart, which means it was run by smart people, but that does not necessarily mean Obama.

90 posted on 08/10/2013 2:46:40 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SeekAndFind
conservatives see Obama as a conniving radical ... not dumb.

On the contrary. THIS conservative sees obama as a DUMB conniving radical. Among other things ...

when Sarah Palin says North Korea is our ally, it’s funny because of her overbearing jingoism and perceived dimness.

"perceived dimness" that is manufactured and perpetuated by the lying media, just like George Bush's, Dan Quayle's, Gerald Ford's, or even Ronald Reagan's.

Stop pretending you aren't masters at manipulating images and admit that the sainted genius myth of barack obama is largely a media fiction. The guy is an idiot, a bungler, and an inepticon.

91 posted on 08/10/2013 3:17:05 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: SeekAndFind
LOL.
Lame stream media queuing up to lick the crap off The One's boots after Odumbo steps in it yet again.
92 posted on 08/10/2013 3:41:15 PM PDT by Amagi (Buying "Green" means purchasing inferior quality at increased cost.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

And don’t forget......OBAMA USED A TELEPROMPTER IN A KINDERGARTEN CLASSROOM! THE EPITOMY OF STUPID!


93 posted on 08/10/2013 5:10:55 PM PDT by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

...dumb as donuts, without a doubt. But, unfortunately, he’s a Cook County brass knuckles sleaze and corruption master and is implementing enough of his evil agenda.

Author Alex Seitz-Wald sure doesn’t read much beyond Salon and Daily Kos. But, with a surname of “Forest Rabbit,” what else would you expect?


94 posted on 08/10/2013 5:15:32 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Shimmer1
Obama was NOT a f'ing "law professor". He was a guest lecturer.

Not much different than some ear nose and throat specialist giving a "guest lecture" on how to treat sinusitis to medical students.

We had these all the time in medical school. Specialists who would come in and tell us what we will see in practice.

Or for instance the chairman of the emergency department coming in and discussing interesting cases he's seen.

And let me assure you, they were fascinating.

But these were one-offs. They were not our regular professors.

Neither was Obama.

How COULD he be? Not like he had extensive extra training in law. Nor was he a member of the Faculty.

To become a professor takes years, sometimes decades to become a full professor.

Gotta earn it.

95 posted on 08/10/2013 5:21:39 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: IronJack
Obama's little more empty suit.

That's why they developed the infamous Journ-O-list; a collection of hundreds of journalists and pundits to serve as his backbenchers.

96 posted on 08/10/2013 9:38:40 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: SeekAndFind
The narrative here would seem to be that Obama is dumb and doesn’t even know basic geography. But no one really believes that...I do - trust me - I've done hundreds of intellectual assessments - why else has he spent several million dollars trying to keep his academic records hidden - we elected an affirmative action president - we deserve what we got......
97 posted on 08/10/2013 9:39:36 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: SeekAndFind
Yabbut, let Tina Fey makd a comment about being able to see Russia, and the media go hogwild all over Sarah Palin.

Obama gets another mulligan.

98 posted on 08/10/2013 9:45:09 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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