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Edward Snowden is a patriot
Politico ^

Posted on 08/11/2013 6:30:03 PM PDT by chessplayer

Does President Barack Obama think we’re stupid?

That’s the only conclusion possible after watching Friday’s bravura performance in which the president announced a set of proposals meant to bring more transparency to the National Security Agency — and claimed he would have done it anyway, even if Edward Snowden had never decided to leak thousands of highly sensitive documents to The Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald.

But even as he grudgingly admitted that the timing, at least, of his suggestions was a consequence of Snowden’s actions, the president declared, “I don’t think Mr. Snowden was a patriot.” When you look at what has changed over the past two months, though, it’s hard not to wonder, “What could be more patriotic than what Snowden did?”

First, the results: More than a dozen bills have already been introduced to put a stop to the NSA’s mass phone record collection program and to overhaul the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has reinterpreted the Fourth Amendment in secret, creating a body of privacy law that the public has never read. A half-dozen new privacy lawsuits have been filed against the NSA. The Pentagon is undergoing an unprecedented secrecy audit. U.S. officials have been caught deceiving or lying to Congress. The list goes on.

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To: blaquebyrd

You sir are deliberately blind to the crimes of this government against it’s own people and crimes against those in military units who defend this country.


101 posted on 08/11/2013 11:41:43 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Chgogal

Bump you post!


102 posted on 08/11/2013 11:43:39 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: chessplayer

103 posted on 08/11/2013 11:47:55 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: fabian; Chgogal

“We live in an age of terrorism, with mass murder being able to be stopped by listening into cell phone data...then that makes sense. How is that hurting any law abiding citizen? If we have a city go up in an nuclear explosion, don’t worry, we are all going to lose far far more rights! The very fact that Snowden went to our enemies speaks volumes, does it not?”

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2013/08/11/counterinsurgency-cops/

Your government has declared that YOU are the enemy, and has been gearing up to “COIN” you for some time now. What Snowden illuminated was just one element in the construction materials for your incarceration, 21st century style:

[from the link]:
The so-called war on drugs was the casus belli for the militarization of the local police forces in the U.S., although it took time to effect the evolution far and wide. Near the end of the campaign in Iraq, the favorite think tank of the left, the RAND Corporation, published a report in 2009 entitled Does The United States Need A New Police Force For Stability Operations? In it, Seth Jones, et. al., conclude:

Weighing all considerations, the researchers concluded that the best option would be a 6,000-person hybrid force headquartered in the U.S. Marshals Service. The personnel in reserve status could be employed in state and local police forces so they would be able to exercise police functions in a civilian population daily and could be called up as needed.

The Marshals Service was deemed to have many of the requisite skills. However, its training and management capabilities would need to be expanded to take on this large mission, and it would have to recruit additional personnel as well. The annual cost, $637 million, is reasonable given the capability it buys. The cost savings in relieving military forces of these duties could be greater than required to create the SPF.

The Military Police option was attractive for a number of reasons, especially its capacity, training, and logistical capabilities, but its inability to engage in policing activities when not deployed was a major stumbling block. The Posse Comitatus Act precludes military personnel from exercising police functions in a civilian setting, and legislative relief might be difficult to get.

Not to be outdone or left behind, the military establishment has weighed in with papers advocating the use of U.S. troops for a similar mission on American soil. One example, causing me forever to lose any respect for Small Wars Journal, was entitled Full Spectrum Operations In The Homeland: A Vision Of The Future, and SWJ followed this up later with Political Violence Prevention: Profiling Domestic Terrorists. The former paper advocated the use of U.S. military troops for stability operations in America, while the later paper advocated the use of human terrain systems for profiling “domestic terrorists” (I discussed these papers here).

Just to ensure that we all knew that the full force of the think tanks was behind this effort, the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point published Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far Right (via Western Rifle Shooters Association). Several observations may be made at this point. First, while the seeds for military operations on American soil by police and/or U.S. troops had been planted long ago, watching war occur for a decade across our television screens caused a change in those whose predilections would point them in the direction of waring on American soil.

This is how it is to be done, it was easy to conclude. Social science with a gun: community involvement, town meetings, law enforcement knowledge of everyone all of the time, biometrics to track people (and especially men of military age), door kicking and killing as punitive measures, all sanctioned by the authorities and fully approved. A new mission. No longer will we merely perform constabulary duties. We must rebuild our cities, bring stability, and ensure that the centralized planners work with the military leaders to guide us all. The example has been set, and we’ve watched it unfold before our eyes for ten years. It has been paraded across our television screens for years, and now we know how to do it.

Second, in order to effect this revised mission, they must have the same tactics, same military hardware, and the same doctrine. Police involving the community sounds warm and acceptable to the uninitiated, but it has a dark underbelly. The carrot and stick approach requires that they perform as COIN troops, as forces of occupation, to enforce their will. War is, after all is said and done, the use of violence to enforce your will.

And this history of COIN in America has indeed been violent, partly because of the paradigm which guides the mission. I know something about the mission because my son is a former Marine and conducted operations in Fallujah in 2007. He performed counter-sniper operations, cleared rooms with an M4, cleared rooms with his Squad Automatic Weapon, performed satellite patrols, and operated an M2 aboard a helicopter targeting insurgents as they crossed over the Euphrates River into Fallujah after checkpoints had locked down the city. Marine Corps 2/6 went into Fallujah hard in the summer of 2007, but there’s an interesting instance that demonstrates how SWAT teams operate in America. [ more at the link]


104 posted on 08/12/2013 12:01:55 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek (No good deed will go unpunished by those who benefit from the evil it challenges.)
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To: blaquebyrd

If you think Russia is still a “commie” country you are a special kind of stupid. The world has changed in the last 25 years. Perhaps you hadn’t noticed.

Nor can anyone in good conscience call Washington the center of the free world, if one exists anymore.


105 posted on 08/12/2013 12:08:00 AM PDT by robertwalker62
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To: fabian

We have live in an “age of terrorism” since the 1960’s. Only now do they seek to take our private communications openly and freely in violation of our constitutional rights. Grow up and read a book. Terrorism has existed for as long as man has had the ability to attack his neighbor.


106 posted on 08/12/2013 12:10:01 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: robertwalker62

Russia is not exactly “free” either.

The mass media is state controlled and opposition leaders have a tendency to get radioactive poisoning or suddenly die or get thrown into prison.

It might be going in the right direction but its not there yet


107 posted on 08/12/2013 12:10:26 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: blaquebyrd; All

Reading through your posts and up until this one I have given it a pass, but you sir seem to be all for enabling this administration. What is your tipping point regarding the decimation of your freedom sir?


108 posted on 08/12/2013 12:12:12 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: blaquebyrd

More than half... count me as one.


109 posted on 08/12/2013 12:14:24 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: NVDave

I remember Reagan doing that... thanks for sharing real history.


110 posted on 08/12/2013 12:27:40 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Steel Wolf

Bump you post SW....


111 posted on 08/12/2013 12:29:05 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Revolting cat!

It’s those EYES man ;)


112 posted on 08/12/2013 1:29:44 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: blaquebyrd

Snowden’s intel was gathered by America’s greatest enemy, the no longer bound by the Constitution federal government.


113 posted on 08/12/2013 3:59:40 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: blaquebyrd

Wake up and open your eyes. The traitors sit in congress where they bow down to the Usurper in the White House.


114 posted on 08/12/2013 4:07:51 AM PDT by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: blaquebyrd
I agree with just about everything you have stated on this thread. Some Freepers just hate Obama so much, and believe me I do too, that they don't care that Snowden is a POS. I have not respect for a person who runs to country that is our enemy. He is a giant hypocrite.
115 posted on 08/12/2013 4:09:29 AM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: GeronL

Russia is not exactly “free” either.

The mass media is state controlled and opposition leaders have a tendency to get radioactive poisoning or suddenly die or get thrown into prison.

It might be going in the right direction but its not there yet

True, but at least they are headed in the right direction. Here, we are taking a nose dive into totalitarianism. We’re not there yet either but it seems we are past the point of being able to fix things within the system.


116 posted on 08/12/2013 4:13:10 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: beandog
I have not respect for a person who runs to country that is our enemy.

He had a choice - flee to a friendlier country or be "Brietbarted". He chose life.

And Russia is not our enemy.

117 posted on 08/12/2013 4:20:36 AM PDT by meyer (What would John Hancock do?)
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To: blaquebyrd

We ALL win when the planned global electronic prison is revealed and delayed. Even if some people in this world currently live under “enemy” regimes.

We will soon realize there is ONE global enemy and everything else is a distraction. The enemy are the elites worldwide pushing for a global surveillance work camp.

If we don’t stop it, we will ALL be very sorry.


118 posted on 08/12/2013 4:23:30 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Donnafrflorida
i am with you. until its proven he shared data that compromises us security i will stick to this position.

Then stop and think. Why do you suppose China and Russia have bent over backwards to help Snowden? Just because he embarrassed Obama? Because they are free societies who believe in the right to privacy of people everywhere? Not bloody likely. Neither is going to stick their necks out for free. China and Russia were compensated for their help. And what currency did Snowden have to compensate them with except information on our intelligence activities against them? Snowden sold us out big time, and gave aid and comfort to our potential enemies.

119 posted on 08/12/2013 4:29:27 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: meyer
And Russia is not our enemy.

You really think that?

120 posted on 08/12/2013 4:30:16 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

obama has sold us out and given aid and comfort to our enemies.
from within is more dangerous.


121 posted on 08/12/2013 4:36:24 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: blaquebyrd; txhurl

He doesn’t need to join Russian commie bootlickers in Russia when he can just stay here with American commie bootlickers.

A commie is a commie. Wrapping oneself in what used to be an American flag, a flag of bygone freedom, doesn’t make a leftist or commie noble. It just makes a person disingenuous, or at least, a naive brainwashed American.


122 posted on 08/12/2013 4:39:34 AM PDT by dforest (BR)
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To: Donnafrflorida
obama has sold us out and given aid and comfort to our enemies.
from within is more dangerous.

That wasn't my question. Do you honestly think that Russia is our friend and not our enemy?

123 posted on 08/12/2013 4:39:58 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: sickoflibs
Obama was going to (bring transparency to NSA) even if there
was no Snowden. And you can keep your own doctor and health
insurance policy too. And it cuts the deficit.

Watta multi-tasker----imagine, he's doing all that while vacaying and golfing in secluded Martha's Vineyard.

And besides, his sinking numbers and looming 2014 midterms n-e-v-e-r once entered his mind.

124 posted on 08/12/2013 4:48:55 AM PDT by Liz
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To: All
JUST IN TIME FOR THE TRAYVON GIVEAWAYS Harry
Reid materialized w/ a typewritten script accusing Repubs of
wanting Obo to fail b/c he's black

"Nice suckup, Harry. That's why we nicknamed you Sugarlips Reid."

125 posted on 08/12/2013 4:54:25 AM PDT by Liz
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To: NVDave

My opinion is Obama wanted Snowden to end up in Russia where he would spill his guts eventually. No one defects to Russia without this taking place. So Obama made it impossible for Ed Snowden to obtain asylum in more civilized nations which were Snowdens first choices. Such as Iceland.

NSA honchos also wanted this outcome because this means higher demand from Congress for black budget billions to be spent on services of their favored contractor buddies. IOW follow the money with the NSA. NSA is contractor driven and also driven by the bureaucratic empire builders within NSA.

****** Money money money means that so of course you want to expand to spying on and storing all electronic communications in America and that cross through America. In America where compliant corporations allow NSA to install a fiber optic cable taps


126 posted on 08/12/2013 5:05:59 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: 0.E.O

no but i dont think o is either.


127 posted on 08/12/2013 5:16:09 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: sickoflibs

Obama doesn’t think we’re stupid. He thinks “Holder’s People” are stupid. They are, and that is enough. You don’t have to fool all of the people all of the time to get your way in politics.


128 posted on 08/12/2013 5:40:50 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Donnafrflorida
no but i dont think o is either.

We could spend days talking about Obama and whe he's done to this country so let's stick with Snowden for now. If you don't think Snowden has compromised our intelligence efforts against China and Russia then why do you think they aided him?

129 posted on 08/12/2013 6:01:06 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: blaquebyrd

Yeah as quiet as it’s kept I hear they are actually, and you didn’t hear it from me—PATRIOTS who didn’t hand their country’s secrets over to the Russian president. All of you Putin boot lickers should join your traitorous hero in Russia.


Another traitorous, obbbama boot licker crawls out of the sewer.


130 posted on 08/12/2013 6:37:19 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: 0.E.O

best case to embarass and demean him. worst case you r right. time will tell. this pos needs some sunlight. i dont trust the media or congress sadly. although russia would not be where i would want to be.

tell me where u think snowden could go to expose this?
i dont have an answer but it needed to be exposed.


131 posted on 08/12/2013 6:44:24 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: gaijin

Observe just how incredibly much people are asking us to change now, will you? Tell me:

WHICH of our founders would have approved of the intercept and storage of ALL of our electronic communication..?

Can’t you see that even if we permitted the intercept of just 1% of it that we would no longer be America..? Yet we are permitting FAR more than that.


Yup. Throwing away all our freedoms because the gubmint promises to keep us “safe.” Yet many in here are perfectly ok with that.


132 posted on 08/12/2013 6:57:33 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: OneWingedShark
You really don't understand, do you?

No, I guess I don't. I will gladly die fighting for what I believe is right. I have offered my life for my country before and would do it again. I believe in America herself, not our corrupt government.

133 posted on 08/12/2013 7:12:17 AM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: Donnafrflorida
tell me where u think snowden could go to expose this?

It's not the fact that Snowden leaked information on the NSA surveillence directed against U.S. citizens that troubles me. It's the information that he gave the Chinese and Russians on our intelligence activities directed against them that does. And there is no other way to explain Russia and China's help except that Snowden gave them information on U.S. activities directed against them.

134 posted on 08/12/2013 7:15:55 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: blaquebyrd
Russian and Putin are our enemy. You think Snowden’s intel isn’t being shared with America’s enemies?

Hn, he never would have gotten that intel if PRISM didn't exist.

135 posted on 08/12/2013 7:17:47 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: blaquebyrd

Why is Russia our enemy?


136 posted on 08/12/2013 7:18:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Chgogal

OK, so we are supposed to not allow our government to listen in to cell data in order to possibility stop an attack? For people here to say that nothing has been stopped with this info is just BS. Sort of obvious that they have, as we have been told. Come on now...you cannot deny an obvious fact just to try and support your point of view. I agree it is not the best thing to have to do, however, we are at war and during war time, in order for our nation to survive, it may not be wrong to disobey the Constitution. It happened in the civil war. And of course the borders are priority, but the fact of the matter is that the terrorist cells are already here!


137 posted on 08/12/2013 7:23:15 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: OneWingedShark
Russian and Putin are our enemy. You think Snowden’s intel isn’t being shared with America’s enemies?

Hn, he never would have gotten that intel if PRISM didn't exist.

NSA had so many people with top level access that sooner or later an Ed Snowden would come along and spill the beans. I think I read about one million people had Snowden level access. Why. Because NSA idiots are more focused on bureaucrat empire building and making the NSA contactors (such as employed Snowden) rich and happy

138 posted on 08/12/2013 8:14:48 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: 0.E.O
I checked your posting history. The consensus is that you are a retread troll.

No wonder you are an Obot regime bootlicker.

139 posted on 08/12/2013 8:16:56 AM PDT by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Godebert
I checked your posting history. The consensus is that you are a retread troll.

As near as I can tell whenever someone disagrees with and upsets an old-timer like yourself they get labeled a re-tread troll or something like that. I didn't realize you all were so unsure of yourselves.

No wonder you are an Obot regime bootlicker.

Whatever. At least I don't suck up to China or Russia.

140 posted on 08/12/2013 8:33:50 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Steel Wolf

GREAT POST...!!


141 posted on 08/12/2013 9:01:28 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: blaquebyrd
Russian and Putin are our enemy.

I know who my enemies are. I don't need you to tell me.

Obama is my enemy.
The Supreme Court that validates obama's corrupt, illegal regime, is my enemy.
Congress is my enemy.
The NSA is my enemy.
The Pentagon that has completely polluted and disgraced our armed services is my enemy.
The statist, globalist, anti-American democrat party is my enemy.
The weak kneed, go along-get along, hey, me too GOP is my enemy.

142 posted on 08/12/2013 10:22:38 AM PDT by pgkdan (Marco Rubio can go straight to hell!)
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To: fabian

They are allowed to do so with a warrant.

What they’re doing now is vacuuming everything that is electronic communication and putting it into storage. Now, the way the mechanism works, they get a “warrant” (which we can go into later, because the secret court is now being found out to be nothing but a rubber stamp) and sort through their huge store of data to see what you’ve already said, and place a tap on what you’re doing now to see what you’re going to say.

For starters, this brings up ex post facto Constitutional issues.

For others, the only safety of people’s civil liberties is that someone gets a warrant to go through all the stored communications they’ve got. This is what Snowden really revealed - the data is already stored, a rougue sysadmin with the right privs can root through everything in that database with ease - no warrant required.

This is why the NSA is purging their ranks of sysadmins. But the system is still flawed from the Constitutional view: there should be no recording of innocent people’s data, absent a warrant. None. If they get a warrant, then they can start recording a target’s communications.


143 posted on 08/12/2013 10:31:33 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Liz; sickoflibs

” Obama was going to (bring transparency to NSA) even if there
was no Snowden. And you can keep your own doctor and health
insurance policy too. And it cuts the deficit. “

Man! Obama really cares! : )


144 posted on 08/12/2013 10:32:26 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: dennisw
NSA had so many people with top level access that sooner or later an Ed Snowden would come along and spill the beans. I think I read about one million people had Snowden level access. Why. Because NSA idiots are more focused on bureaucrat empire building and making the NSA contactors (such as employed Snowden) rich and happy.

That last sentence is a good enough reason to disband the NSA altogether: it is not about security, any way that you look at it.

145 posted on 08/12/2013 11:46:45 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: fabian
OK, so we are supposed to not allow our government to listen in to cell data in order to possibility stop an attack?

The Fourth amendment prohibits it.
Moreover, as Boston shows, there is no guarantee of such being effective: indeed, the Russians gave us intel/warnings on them which were ignored.

For people here to say that nothing has been stopped with this info is just BS.

Let's take a look at the recent debates in congress, the line was that the data/systems have been involved in [stopping] over fifty incidents. Now, since they are trying to justify the system, we have to realize that they're going to include the cases where the input was minimal/negligible (i.e. think the inverse of parallel construction). — so it could be quite the case that the PRISM stuff has really uncovered five or six terrorist plans.

Why terrorist and not terrorist? Because the government has put out documents that label perfectly legitimate dissent from the statist mind as being a possible terrorist. Indeed, terrorist activities have been expanded to the point where innocent people can be snapped up in the LEO/judicial system based on flimsy evidence. (The Hautree Militia, for example, which was to the militia movement what the Zimmerman-trial was to Stand Your Ground.)

Sort of obvious that they have, as we have been told. Come on now...you cannot deny an obvious fact just to try and support your point of view.

Actually it's not at all obvious: nothing the NSA and its secret court does is obvious or [really] open.

I agree it is not the best thing to have to do, however, we are at war and during war time, in order for our nation to survive, it may not be wrong to disobey the Constitution.

Here's the problem with that idea: the War on Terror, which I assume you're referring to, is unwinnable.
Why? — Because there is no victory condition.

Moreover, your argument that disobeying the Constitution might be fine is laughable on its face: if it is ok to ignore the Constitution, then it is ok to ignore any [and all] other laws precisely because they are inferior to the Constitution and, if actual laws (as opposed to usurped power) then they derive their authority from the Constitution. Thus, to violate the Constitution is to declare that the lesser laws have no meaning/power/authority.

It happened in the civil war.

So? Does precedent make it right? — If I kurder someone, and get away with it, then does that mean that it's a-ok to murder?
Ridiculous.

And of course the borders are priority, but the fact of the matter is that the terrorist cells are already here!

WTF? The borders are a priority? What country have you been living in? Certainly not the United States, because the borders have never [in the past decade, maybe two] been a priority of the ruling caste.

I think you ought to read this.

146 posted on 08/12/2013 12:07:16 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pgkdan
The weak-kneed, go along-get along, hey, me too GOP is my enemy.

But, but, but they're the lesser of two evils! You can't not vote for them! Id you don't vote for them, you're not a real conservative:
The Tao of Republican Orthodoxy
[Direct Link]

[/sarc]

147 posted on 08/12/2013 12:13:07 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: antceecee

Ok..just tell that to the 3000 murdered on 9-11.


148 posted on 08/12/2013 12:26:47 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: OneWingedShark

the cells are already here! So you guys are crying not to have mass cell phone data listened to while it is obviously stopping some murder. Come on now...and yes, I think Lincoln took similar measures in order to win the war. I think you guys sound bit ridiculous and reacationary.


149 posted on 08/12/2013 12:32:39 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
the cells are already here!

I didn't say they weren't.

So you guys are crying not to have mass cell phone data listened to while it is obviously stopping some murder.

No, it is not obviously stopping murder. Terrorists have been fairly careful to become as untraceable as possible, this is why cell phones (moreso, SIM cards) were important for intel when they were captured, This I know because I worked the property-room in Iraq doing detainee ops.

Come on now...and yes, I think Lincoln took similar measures in order to win the war. I think you guys sound bit ridiculous and reacationary.

You don't understand: it's not just the 4th amendment here. It's the 4th, 5th, and 6th. Arguably the 1st, too.
If this is acceptable then we have a government that is totally out of control, oh there might be show-trials but there will be no real chance to defend yourself from an accusation — and it will come to the point where opposing political viewpoints are grounds for such accusation.

Seriously, read this and you see the future if such unlawful government activity is allowed to stand:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

150 posted on 08/12/2013 12:50:05 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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