Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat
Couldn't help but think of the old Warren Zevon song, "Send money, guns and lawyers", which is basically what OBozo did for Morsi.
You have a problem of your own.
First, you are demonstrating a hatred for the Paul family that transcends the facts.
Your second problem is that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Elbaradei was always the number 1 guy of Obama’s masters.
I guarantee he’ll turn up again like the cockroach he is and he’ll have Obama’s backing.
He surfaced before morsi was installed and he tried to run for office. That guy is and has always been aligned with the mb and through them... al qaeda. I hate that guy as much as I do harry reid.
Yes and no.
I remember very well the period when Mubarak was under siege.
The Brotherhood was very much in evidence and many of us were very concerned that they would end up in control.
So yes, they may not be the majority, but they had the rabble rousing skills to pull it off.
Had Mubarak killed more of them, Egypt might be better off today but of course we will never know. We can only speculate.
That said, if the army manages to kill them all it will be a blessing to the world.
Most don't know or don't want to know how close we are to it.
Elbaradei has the power of globalism behind him. After all he quit the international crisis group to go to Egypt.
Look at who his friends are.
http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/board.aspx
He’ll end up as the leader of Egypt if every last Egyptian has to die to get him there.
Thanks for that. I haven’t had a Freeper attack me for my name in many years. Perhaps you should click a profile before making assumptions. I’m neither Arab or Muslim. I served six years as an Arabic linguist for this country.
As an American, I don’t believe we should be giving foreign aid to any country (I never mentioned aid in my original comment).
However, as a Christian, I strongly support the Coptic Christians (10%-20% the pop) in Egypt that you dismiss. They have been persecuted by Muslims for over a thousand years and don’t deserve what is happening.
Egypt is a giant Detroit. There were no fair elections. The people with the most guns counted the votes.
Every radical that the Egyptian Military kills is one possible terrorist that we will not have to kill someday. No matter what we do... no matter if we stayed out of the ME and its politics and gave the muslims everything that they desired... they would still want to convert us or kill us and we will have to kill them to survive. The more killed today... the less that we will have to kill in the future.
It is a good thing that I am not President... because I would hit mecca and medina with tactical nukes and lob a few big 'uns at the mullahs while we were in the neighborhood... and then I would turn Israel loose... and that is a good reason why I am not President.
Clueless Pro radical Islamist troll / Paul bot.
Exactly
Putin knows we are ruled by America hating Islamist
Exactly
Putin knows we are ruled by America hating Islamist
“Rand is a fool.
He knows nothing of what’s going on in Egypt. He’s as stupid as his stupid crazy father. He’s taking the WRONG FREAKING SIDE! His reason for not giving money to Egypt is because he thinks the miltiary is bad and the MB are the good guys.”
WINNER! LADIES AND GENTS, WE HAVE A WINNER!
Prove that I don’t know what I’m talking about.
I don’t hate the Paul family per se, I hate (In this instance) their siding with radical jihadi nutcse Mozlems.
Egypt helped keep Israel from being wiped off the map. That is the reason the US helped the Egyptian military so much over the years. Right now the Egyptian military is very busy wiping out jihadis all over the Sinai. Last I read, at least a week ago, they had demolished 80% of the tunnels between the Sinai and Gaza (there were about 1000) which funnels blackmarket stuff like drugs and weapons and terrorists back and forth.
The Egyptian military are without doubt the white hats in this situation. They’ve put up with MB total crap for weeks.
If anyone is bold enough to read the truth about what the MB have been doing recently, they can read this. Was going to post just the link but since it’s all up on FR, I’ll copy the whole thing. Links etc on the FR article. Raymond Ibrahim knows what he’s talking about.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3054940/posts?page=7
Inside Egypt’s Terrorist Camps: Torture, Rape, Mass Murder
FrontPage Magazine ^ | August 15, 2013 | Raymond Ibrahim
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2013 5:17:59 AM by SJackson
- FrontPage Magazine - http://frontpagemag.com -
Inside Egypt’s Terrorist Camps: Torture, Rape, Mass Murder
Posted By Raymond Ibrahim On August 15, 2013 @ 12:17 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | 2 Comments
Now that the Egyptian military has finally begun to neutralize Muslim Brotherhood terrorist bases, the so-called mainstream media are doing what they do best—twist reality to the Islamists’ benefit by casting them as innocent victims merely “holding vigil” only to be slaughtered, while calling for the prosecution of the military for “human rights abuses.” They essentially follow the pro-Brotherhood Al Jazeera’s lead of portraying these bases in Rab‘a al-Adawiya and elsewhere as peaceful “sit ins.”
What the mainstream media have failed to report is that for over two months in these “sit ins”—or more appropriately, mini-emirates in Egypt—many Egyptians have been tortured, mutilated, raped, and mass murdered in the name of Islam and/or Brotherhood rule. (Of course, this is unsurprising considering how the media also failed to report on the nonstop and heinous attacks on the nation’s Christian minority and its churches, all validated by Brotherhood leadership.)
The anecdotes are many. For instance, one man accused of stealing was tortured and had his finger chopped off (in accordance to Sharia). He appears in this video—his face beaten to a bloody pulp—describing his ordeal. Like so many in Rab‘a, he was there not as a Brotherhood supporter, but because he worked in the area. Accused of stealing, he insisted he was innocent. When his accusers refused to relent, he said, “Fine, if I’m a thief, hand me over to police,” but they said, “No, we will hand you over to Allah.” He was taken to a room and tortured for fourteen hours, including by being sprayed with water and repeatedly electrocuted and stabbed and sliced with a switchblade (in minute 3:47 he exposes his mutilated chest). Then, his “pious” tormentors supplicated their god by saying, “In the name of Allah,” before hacking his finger off.
Women are also easy prey in the Brotherhood camp. According to a recent report, women are being abused for refusing to have sex with Brotherhood supporters. One woman was reportedly tortured to death and another critically injured and hospitalized. An Egyptian organization concerned with female rights said it “will expose in the coming days the extent of the violations and crimes against humanity which our sisters have been exposed to by the orders of the General Guide [Muhammad Badie] to coerce women to engage in sex-jihad, with torture to death for those who refuse.”
Here is another live interview with an Egyptian reporter who was kidnapped in Rab‘a, beaten, and told she must stay “because we need women for sex.” The logic behind the sex-jihad (or in Arabic jihad al-nikah) is that women are permitted to copulate with single, male Brotherhood protesters to help alleviate their sexual frustrations so they can focus on empowering Islam—which among the Brotherhood is synonymous with empowering the Brotherhood—without becoming too restless and possibly abandoning the jihad.
Then there are the corpses that are being found. According to journalist Ahmed Musa on Tahrir TV channel, one of the arrested terrorists confessed that Brotherhood leadership murdered more than 80 people who were either suspected of being police informants or were trying to escape the Brotherhood camps. The Brotherhood then buried the bodies in a mass grave inside Rab‘a. According to the arrested terrorist, the Brotherhood fears that, “if their camps are broken up, their crimes against humanity will be exposed and that the Ministry of Interior will take pictures of this mass grave and broadcast them to the world.”
Aside from these atrocities and accusations of atrocities, reports of general beatings surface every day. The majority revolve around people working or living in Rab‘a, who are pressured to join the pro-Morsi protests, only to be beaten savagely if they refuse.
Despite the many serious human rights abuses that took place under Brotherhood auspices, the only Western media ever to allude to any of this was an AP report that, after explaining how bound, dead bodies were found near Rab‘a and how many in Egypt insist it’s the work of the Brotherhood, immediately went into default mode by suggesting these could all be false allegations and, if dead bodies are being found, perhaps it’s the work of the military trying to frame the Brotherhood—exactly what the Brotherhood has been caught doing, killing their own supporters to frame the military.
Brotherhood exploitation of the media to garner sympathy is an old phenomenon. Years back, former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, discussing how Islamists often turn to violence when “dialogue” doesn’t go their way, said:
“But when I see that you are firing at me, trying to kill me—well, I have to defend myself. Then the international news agencies go to these [Islamist] groups for information, and they tell them, “They are killing us, they are killing us!” Well, don’t you [news agencies] see them killing the police?! I swear to you, not one of the police wants to kill them—not one of us.”
And now, as the Egyptian military disperses the Brotherhood’s terrorist camps, right on cue, the Western press is doing what it does best—skewing reality to the benefit of the Brotherhood.
Still, there is one positive side to all this. Because so many Muslim Brotherhood members and their Islamist allies had congregated in Rab‘a and elsewhere, turning them into mini Islamist states where Brotherhood rule is enforced—torturing, chopping fingers off, sexually abusing women, and murdering dissenters—we have gotten a glimpse of exactly what sort of state they wish to see Egypt become.
But just as it took several months before even Fox News told of the Muslim Brotherhood torture chambers—despite the fact that any number of Egyptian media had for months been disseminating pictures and videos of those tortured—no doubt it will take a while before news of the Brotherhood torture camps is ever disseminated in the West.
You could start here.
http://m.freedomworks.org/blog/stacyontheright/senator-rand-paul-exposes-the-folly-of-us-foreign
Now before some moron calls me a Paul bot, let me be clear that I would not like for him to become the repub nominee for president.
I strongly disagree with his views on immigration, if I understand them and I think I do.
However, I do agree with his position on foreign aid and quite a few other things.
I could be wrong about his position on Egypt, but based on what I know about his views on foreign aid I think it is more likely that his comments are directed to the stupidity of foreign aid rather than any support for the Muslim Brotherhood.
Paul clearly shows such wilfull and extreme ignorance about what is going on in Egypt that he is clearly unsuited to have anything to do with any foreign policy, aid/no aid, votes about such, etc.
If a non-entity such as myself can be much more informed about what’s going on in Egypt than an elected Senator, that speaks very ill for said Senator.
He said very obviously that he doesn’t want aid going to Egypt specifically becuase of the Evil Military running over harmless citizens. He’s 10000% clueless about Egypt.
Anyone who reads the Live Egypt thread (which I linked to above) for several pages (or even one page) can run circles around Paul. He knows nothing and it shows. But he speaks out of his ignorance, considering the MB harmless citizens and obviously believing total propaganda. Shows that he is dangerous.
He said very obviously that he doesn’t want aid going to Egypt specifically becuase of the Evil Military running over harmless citizens. He’s 10000% clueless about Egypt.
Please give us the link to the exact word for word quote.
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