Skip to comments.The truth Johnny Depp wants to hide about the real-life Tontos .....
Posted on 08/18/2013 4:48:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
The 16-year-old girls once-beautiful face was grotesque. She had been disfigured beyond all recognition in the 18 months she had been held captive by the Comanche Indians.
Now, she was being offered back to the Texan authorities by Indian chiefs as part of a peace negotiation.
To gasps of horror from the watching crowds, the Indians presented her at the Council House in the ranching town of San Antonio in 1840, the year Queen Victoria married Prince Albert.
Her head, arms and face were full of bruises and sores, wrote one witness, Mary Maverick. And her nose was actually burnt off to the bone. Both nostrils were wide open and denuded of flesh.
Once handed over, Matilda Lockhart broke down as she described the horrors she had endured the rape, the relentless sexual humiliation and the way Comanche squaws had tortured her with fire. It wasnt just her nose, her thin body was hideously scarred all over with burns.
When she mentioned she thought there were 15 other white captives at the Indians camp, all of them being subjected to a similar fate, the Texan lawmakers and officials said they were detaining the Comanche chiefs while they rescued the others.
It was a decision that prompted one of the most brutal slaughters in the history of the Wild West and showed just how bloodthirsty the Comanche could be in revenge....
S C Gwynne, author of Empire Of The Summer Moon about the rise and fall of the Comanche, says simply: No tribe in the history of the Spanish, French, Mexican, Texan, and American occupations of this land had ever caused so much havoc and death. None was even a close second......
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Aztecs = grand scale human sacrifice
Mayans = small scale
read about the pequot war, the wars against the Mohegans and Niantics, often spelled nehantics
The reason so many helped John Mason attack the pequot fort was because the Pequots were slaughtering the mohegans and Nehantics
I picked this book up in a small town store. I have ever time I see it somewhere buy all they have and give them away. Great book.
In 1871, eleven year old Clinton and his nine year old brother Jefferson were captured by Comanche raiders near their West Texas farm. Jefferson was soon sold to none other than the legendary Apache warrior Geronimo, while Clinton was adopted by Comanche Chief Tasacowadi. For over five years they lived among the two most notorious warrior tribes in North America during one of the most tumultuous eras in American history.
Pequots (Mashentucket) now own the biggest Indian casino in America
They were hard people living in a hard land. I don’t hate them, and I don’t feel sorry for them. In the words of the great philosopher, Captain Ron, “Yeah, we’ll s**t happens.”
Indian massacre of 1622, depicted as a woodcut by Matthaeus Merian, 1628.
At least one quarter of the white population of Virginia was massacred that day.
Such peace-loving people, they were. /s
I recently read, “The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl” [Timothy Egan]
In the book it was pointed out that the bison were slaughtered as a measure to help stop the Indian tradition of following the bison and the migration of tribes throughout the land. Interesting!
Plenty of blame to go around. But the Comanche were observing their own cultural rules, and the Texans broke theirs.
Admittedly, as I said, under extreme provocation.
all because of the phony news that said they were almost wiped out by white men...not telling the whole story, which is in the links I posted
Mashentucket Pequots are really blacks with some Pequot blood. Am I right on this? Or they are about 50% black and 50% Indian?
years ago I read a long article how their leader got this rag-tag dispersed bunch Federal tribal recognition which was difficult but essential. They got the casino going from this.
Reading Gwynne book now. A great read. Also is
The Last Captive, Lehmann? and Captive, Zesch.
Last Captive is by the captive Hermann Lehmann and
his experiences as a white Comanche. Died in the late
40s in Houston. Zesch’s book tells about the story
of his great uncle’s captivity. Zesch explains that
after about 6 weeks the white became an indian. They
were never the same.
So far, from Gwynne’s book i better understand Mexico’s
“misguided immigration policy of inviting Anglo settlers
to create a buffer between Mexico and the Comanche”,
the striking distance of the Comanche by explaining that
a settler sitting in his cabin or adobe in San Antone was
in danger from a Comanche sitting at his campfire in present
day OK City.
Interesting. I am shocked—SHOCKED, tell you—that, while taking Depp to task for the incorrect portrayal of the historical Comanches, the article never once mentioned that Promontory Point, Utah is NOT REALLY IN TEXAS; and neither are the hard rock Sierra silver mines! Then, there’s the little “gaffe” of 10-20 shot 6-guns, and several other ‘inaccuracies’.
IT WAS A PARODY OF ALL THINGS 30s-40s-50s HOLLYWOOD-WESTERN, AND SATURDAY MATINEE SERIAL! (Even Perils of Pauline & other melodramas was in there.)
It also had classic bits from Keystone Cops, Laurel & Hardy; and later shows such as F-Troop, and others odds & ends thrown in. The beginning and ending were very much Ray Bradbury.
Had it been released 30 years ago, there may have been enough people in the audience to recognize, understand, and appreciate it. We laughed our way through the whole thing, thoroughly enjoying it.
And true to the genre it lampooned, the hero got his horse, not the girl; and all the blood, guts, and gore were either implied or recounted, but not shown; or were totally sanitized. Even the ‘cutting out and eating of the heart’ incident was almost totally bloodless.
The Ojiway Indians were indulging in friendly competitions with the Sauk Indians. They got into the fort when the English commander was convinced they were peaceful. The Indians massacred all the English and spared the French-Canadians. One Englishman, a trader called Alexander Henry begged a lady to hide him. He heard the screams of the tortured people as he hid in terror.
Ok, that is enough history from me. I have nothing but admiration for the Constitution of the United States in that it decrees, "there shall be no cruel and unusual punishment" or close to that. For it was the dreadful tortures visited on Englishmen in England that must have revolted their souls.
I refer to the likes of one Richard Topcliffe, the integrator on behalf of Elizabeth 1st. The psychopath knew how to avoid having his victim going into shock and thus feeling little pain. He tortured a Catholic priest for four hours on Tower Hill.
"Man's inhumanity to man, makes countless thousands mourn"
The Comanches knew how to deal with illegal immigration.
Allan W Eckert wrote a series of books about the Indian wars in the Ohio Valley. The Comanche’s were just up to par with all of that.
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