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How can Obama take us to war in Syria without asking congress?
AND Magazine ^ | 8/24/2013 | David Focil

Posted on 08/24/2013 11:01:51 PM PDT by d_focil

Beyond troubling considerations in regards to the rebels, there are serious questions on the constitutionality and appropriateness of President Obama's military options. While mainstream media outlets are busy getting all worked up for the potential ratings bonanza a new war will bring, dolling out all the typical military analysts to give us tantalizing speculations on how cruise missile and drone strikes on Assad's forces could play out, no one seems to be asking if President Obama even has the authority to launch a strike in the first place. How far have we fallen into the abyss of an unchecked executive that the President does not even bother to play the congressional authorization game anymore?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: agitprop; chemicalweapons; china; iran; israel; jordan; lebanon; pestcontrol; randsconcerntrolls; russia; strawman; strikeonsyria; syria; syrianwar; terrorism; waronterror; warpowersact
Everyone seems to be so busy thinking about the latest apparent chemical weapons attack inside Syria and what to do about, that they are not even aware of the fact that Obama has no authority to launch a strike without congressional approval.

We know there are extremists among the rebels, and while tragic the situation is not directly affecting the US, why then are we on the brink of another war?

I wrote the linked article to spark some sort of debate, does anyone here think its actually a good idea to go into Syria at this point?

I think the powers that be are not really considering the need to follow up any strike with ground forces to secure the chemical weapons that could fall into the hands of AL-qaeda sympathizers if Assad falls. The mess we are heading into could make Iraq and Afghanistan seem like a training exercise.

1 posted on 08/24/2013 11:01:52 PM PDT by d_focil
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To: d_focil
After Greece, Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Desert Storm, Bosnia, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and numerous other instances, isn't it a little late to be asking that question?
2 posted on 08/24/2013 11:06:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: d_focil
Not legally !!

But when has legality ever stopped him ?

3 posted on 08/24/2013 11:07:57 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: d_focil

Because Congress is weak and has abdicated their powers and responsibilities


4 posted on 08/24/2013 11:09:15 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: d_focil
Having a Nobel Peace Prize means never having to ask permission to go to war.

-PJ

5 posted on 08/24/2013 11:10:12 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: d_focil

Syria is Obama's War against Western Civilization"

He owns it !!


6 posted on 08/24/2013 11:10:31 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: d_focil

The same way as Libya and Egypt.

Poor ol George bush went through 9 months of international scrutiny and garnered international support before he lifted a finger in Iraq.

But George was a war monger /s


7 posted on 08/24/2013 11:16:04 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

So it is.


8 posted on 08/24/2013 11:17:12 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: d_focil
Unfortunately, the rebels are KNOWN LIARS. Why are we even trusting their account?

Anyone remember the war in Syria a few years back when the media was posting pictures of a teddy bear laying in a blasted landscape...then some blogger pointed out that it was the exact same teddy bear in every pic?
9 posted on 08/24/2013 11:23:56 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: d_focil
Being unconstitutional didn't stop the war in Libya. The Republicans have no balls to stop him.

And no, getting involved in Syria is a very, very bad idea. With Russia, China and Iran willing to back Assad and soetoro gutting, neutering and homosexualizing the military it is supernova barfapalooza of an idea.

10 posted on 08/24/2013 11:29:49 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: d_focil
How can Obama take us to war in Syria without asking congress?

Two easy steps:

1. Do it.

2. Dare Congress to impeach the first black president.

Has Obama and the Pentagon declared Congress ceremonial?

11 posted on 08/24/2013 11:29:58 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: d_focil

Not to worry!!! His war is not really a war but maybe a Cruise Missile or two and a predator Drone strike!!! He would never launch an all out attack... Takes up two much of his precious time.. Why he needs to campaign and go on Vacation!


12 posted on 08/24/2013 11:37:13 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Eagles6

You nailed it.

This is very bad ju ju.

There is no honor in this.


13 posted on 08/24/2013 11:43:10 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: d_focil

There is no such thing as congress.


14 posted on 08/24/2013 11:44:15 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: d_focil

Could we get 10 million to surround the Pentagon, White House and Congress in opposition to a war? It will take this to stop them.


15 posted on 08/24/2013 11:51:37 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: d_focil

he needs a distraction... so... he’s going to kill tens of thousands of people


16 posted on 08/25/2013 12:02:09 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: d_focil

He can do it because there’s no one in DC to tell him he can’t. All he feels he needs is John McCain’s support. And he has that.


17 posted on 08/25/2013 12:02:35 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: d_focil

Just call it a police action, no congressional approval needed.


18 posted on 08/25/2013 12:06:14 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: d_focil

He can do it because the War Powers Act lets him as long as he doesn’t stay there more than 60 days he does not need Congress to approve it.

Now had congress originally done their job he wouldn’t be able to do this because he wouldn’t be the commander in chief


19 posted on 08/25/2013 12:13:32 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can Obama take us to war in Syria without asking congress?

Oh, been done tens of times...no problem.

What is a problem is how an effeminate, pansy, peace prize-winning so-called “Leader” can hurt a butterfly...


20 posted on 08/25/2013 12:25:58 AM PDT by Netz
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To: d_focil

How can an illegal alien living in our White House continue to pretend he’s president? And how can the incredibly damn Stupid Party continue to allow this to happen?


21 posted on 08/25/2013 12:31:59 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: mylife

Get ready for hard times. The future does not look bright.


22 posted on 08/25/2013 12:49:09 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: d_focil

He can do whatever he wants for 60 days before seeking Congressional approval.

Ain’t right and we should leave Assay alone but, he can do that.


23 posted on 08/25/2013 12:57:06 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

THEN HE SHOULD GET HIS SCRAWNEY BUTT OVER THERE AND LEAVE OUR WARRIORS AND KIDS ALONE. COWARDLY AS THEY COME..


24 posted on 08/25/2013 1:10:44 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: d_focil
The last formal Declaration of War by the United States, as required by the Constitution of the United States, was on June 5, 1942. Then the United States declared war against Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania.

Recall the Korean War? That did not "need" a formal declaration as it was a "police action" under that flag of the nascent United States (think "blue helmets).

25 posted on 08/25/2013 1:17:56 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: d_focil

Constitutionally, yes, he must go through Congress, but the GOP’s get-along gang long ago surrendered its authority and gave Obama carte blanche to sidestep them. He didn’t get Congress’ approval for overthrowing Khadafy in Libya, and he won’t bother getting it here.

Obama rules by degree.. that’s how kings operate.


26 posted on 08/25/2013 1:47:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: d_focil

This is why I put my hope in Vladimir Putin, to remind Obama the Russians regard Assad as an ally and will not back down... AND... any act of war against their ally will be regarded as an act of war against Russia.

Putin, doing the necessary confrontation to Obama Americans won’t do.


27 posted on 08/25/2013 2:00:31 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: d_focil
We have chemical warfare against American children coming across the border with the narcoterrorist drug trade.

The death toll in Chicago is much higher than Syria, why not send the troops to Chicago or Mexico?

Because the media is lying again... even FOX.

Notice how they are calling the Muslim Brotherhood terrorists in Egypt "protesters."

28 posted on 08/25/2013 2:56:15 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: ScottinVA

Purported speech by Putin to the G-8, as translated

And if Putin DIDN’t say this, it sure is plausible he thinks it- and so should the GOP

“Diplomatic sources: Putin tells G8 “You want Asad to resign. Look at the leaders you’ve made in the Middle East.”

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/07/10/putin-dresses-down-the-group-of-eight/


29 posted on 08/25/2013 3:11:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: d_focil
The fault lies with the American people.

Too many have lost their love for God and His Law. They have substituted false gods to love and the law of man to rule.

The law of man is worthless in justice, it can be twisted into anything or nothing at any whim and at any time before and after the fact.

Those that please the Emperor, like the Emperor, can commit no crime. Those that displease are guilty and no punishment is too severe. It is not even necessary to state the law they have violated or where it is written.

Barack Hussein Obama has violated no law in America. There is no law in America.

30 posted on 08/25/2013 3:16:20 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: ScottinVA

Russia does not have gay pride marches in their army and they know a Marxist when they see one.

The central focus of the US State Department for the last five years has been some kind of a faggot jihad...

The attempt by our own State Department to steal the Russian elections for their comrades in the Russian Communist Party through non-profit NGOs was soundly beaten by Vladimir Putin (love him or hate him).

This is why Russia cracked down on non-profit groups.

The homosexual attack on the Orthodox Church by the queer punk band Pússy Riot, who were on the payroll of State Department funded NGOs, is another reason. Lesbian weirdo Madonna was also flown in as a provocateur...


31 posted on 08/25/2013 3:24:15 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: d_focil

All Hussein feels he needs to do is clear it with his muslim brotherhood friends.


32 posted on 08/25/2013 3:43:13 AM PDT by boycott
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To: GeronL
Because Congress is weak and has abdicated their powers and responsibilities

And the full-left MSM won't call either obama or congress on it. If anyone tries, the race pimps and the MSM calls them racist extremists.

33 posted on 08/25/2013 4:16:20 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: d_focil

Have the Republicans in Congress have been criticizing Obama for not attacking Syria before now. I guess approval was implied.


34 posted on 08/25/2013 4:21:09 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: d_focil

I am guessing that the Nobel Prize Committee is displeased. Heheheh

Personally, I think that Barry is totally lost and is looking for a scapegoat. He will go to Congress and try to make Congress decide his actions. If Congress says Go to war, then its their war. If Congress says No to war, the its their fault that the killings continue. The best thing that Congress can do for themselves is to abdicate this decision to Barry and tell him he as free reign to act on his own behalf. This would freak out the democRATS. I think it would be interesting to sit back and watch them try to escape the trap them put themselves in.


35 posted on 08/25/2013 7:31:26 AM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: d_focil

Won’t hold my breath waiting for the Congressional Dems and the media to complain about the U.S. not building a coalition of nations, and just “going it alone.”


36 posted on 08/25/2013 7:54:44 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: d_focil

If the wars are illegal, why does the DoD go along with it? Don’t they have a right to refuse illegal orders?


37 posted on 08/25/2013 8:51:42 AM PDT by virgil
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To: GeronL

“Because Congress is weak and has abdicated their powers and responsibilities”

Bingo! We have a winner.


38 posted on 08/25/2013 9:34:14 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: d_focil
How can Obama take us to war in Syria without asking congress?

You have a Congress, that all it cares about are their own pitiful careers. They'll do nothing to risk re-election, even though their retention rates are higher than that of the defunct Supreme Soviet. The GOP Congress is full of cowards of zero understanding, zero principles and whose typical stance is the fetal position in a corner somewhree. (Noted there are a few exceptions, who have zero power.)

39 posted on 08/25/2013 10:03:29 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Obama is an historic President. He's America's first 'Dear Leader' President.)
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To: Lera

Presidential War Powers: The Constitutional Answer

by Tom Woods

There’s a lot of confusion, on right and left alike, regarding the president’s war powers under the Constitution. Here’s an overview of the most common claims on behalf of such powers, along with replies to these claims.

“The president has the power to initiate hostilities without consulting Congress.”

Ever since the Korean War, Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution – which refers to the president as the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States” – has been interpreted this way.

But what the framers actually meant by that clause was that once war has been declared, it was the President’s responsibility as commander-in-chief to direct the war. Alexander Hamilton spoke in such terms when he said that the president, although lacking the power to declare war, would have “the direction of war when authorized or begun.” The president acting alone was authorized only to repel sudden attacks (hence the decision to withhold from him only the power to “declare” war, not to “make” war, which was thought to be a necessary emergency power in case of foreign attack).

http://www.libertyclassroom.com/warpowers/

I think we will have to add a few lines of text to the constitution at some point in order to put these sorts of issues to rest. Regardless though, there is no justification for the conflict in Syria because there is no imminent threat to the United States.


40 posted on 08/25/2013 5:42:00 PM PDT by d_focil
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To: jamaksin

Thats true but I don’t recall reading that a police action was exempt from regular constitutional requirements. At least some form of authorization would be nice, but it seems as many here have pointed out that congress, regardless of party, no longer takes its responsibility seriously.


41 posted on 08/25/2013 6:37:51 PM PDT by d_focil
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To: d_focil

Yeah I agree we have to add those lines to make it clear because we are becoming dumber and more corrupt as a nation(look at who we elected twice)

In 1973 they did add something to the war powers act and they gave the president 60 days to do what he wanted before having to go to congress . I don’t they intended for the president to just go off and attack anyone he wanted but I don’t think intentions mean a darn thing to this guy

You would think knowing how lawless this guy is that congress would refrain from giving him more power but they just recently gave him the power to pick up and hold indefinitely any American he deems a threat to national security ... we are now a lawless nation


42 posted on 08/25/2013 7:24:23 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: VerySadAmerican
He can do it because there’s no one in DC to tell him he can’t. All he feels he needs is John McCain’s support. And he has that.

And Lindsay Gayham. And the other Republicans don't seem to show much of an interest in opposing him outside of Cruz and Paul.
43 posted on 08/25/2013 7:58:59 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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44 posted on 08/27/2013 7:00:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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