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US overhauls process for recognizing Indian tribes
Associated Press ^ | Aug 25, 2013 11:39 AM EDT | Michael Melia

Posted on 08/25/2013 11:24:00 AM PDT by Olog-hai

His tribe once controlled huge swaths of what is now New York and Connecticut, but the shrunken reservation presided over by Alan Russell today hosts little more than four mostly-dilapidated homes and a pair of rattlesnake dens.

The Schaghticoke Indian Tribe leader believes its fortunes may soon be improving. As the U.S. Interior Department overhauls its rules for recognizing American Indian tribes, a nod from the federal government appears within reach, potentially bolstering its claims to surrounding land and opening the door to a tribal-owned casino.

“It’s the future generations we’re fighting for,” Russell said.

The rules floated by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, intended to streamline the approval process, are seen by some as lowering the bar through changes such as one requiring that tribes demonstrate political continuity since 1934 and not “first contact” with European settlers. Across the country, the push is setting up battles with host communities and already-recognized tribes who fear upheaval. …

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bia; indiantribes; recognition; schaghticoke

1 posted on 08/25/2013 11:24:00 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The Associated Press used the word ‘Indian’?

I thought that if you say that you get arrested or something.


2 posted on 08/25/2013 11:25:44 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Having Pocohantas Warran as a senator does not hurt this cause either.


3 posted on 08/25/2013 11:27:26 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Olog-hai

I only have one question — will my family be forcibly re-located back to Europe?


4 posted on 08/25/2013 11:28:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Beowulf9

No, that would be Redskins’..


5 posted on 08/25/2013 11:28:21 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder if this is going to push recognition of the Lumbee tribe. The Lumbee do not want special recognition, I suspect because they do not want to go on to a FedGov mandated reservation. In this case I refer to reservation as having to accept conditions for taking government money. The Lumbee are doing quite well without government help.


6 posted on 08/25/2013 11:29:20 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Olog-hai

The whole Indian reservation thing is just stupid. They have no claim to any US soil, they lost. Get over it.


7 posted on 08/25/2013 11:30:59 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Olog-hai

***bolstering its claims to surrounding land and opening the door to a tribal-owned casino***

WE HAVE A WINNAH! There are several so-called Cherokee offshoots desiring tribal recognition so they can get their land classified as a “reservation” just so they can build a casino!

One “tribe” offshoot wants to build a casino on land that their tribe never occupied, near Hot Springs, Arkansas.

Hot Springs used to have all sorts of illegal gambling back in the early 1960s.


8 posted on 08/25/2013 11:32:21 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Fred Hayek

Never heard of that tribe. What casino do they operate?


9 posted on 08/25/2013 11:32:24 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Olog-hai

Forget about Indian lands with one tribe seeking recognition by the Federal government. The inevitable next step here will be competing claims for the same land by multiple “tribes.”


10 posted on 08/25/2013 11:35:18 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Olog-hai

Pass the popcorn....this one is going to be nasty....and I mean intra-tribal nasty. The fighting that already takes place because of casino land and money is bad enough. This will only make it worse. Moreover, the local communities will not be happy at losing land that they have controlled for hundreds of years. This will not end well. It will make a bunch of lawyers happy and rich


11 posted on 08/25/2013 11:36:26 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Fzob

apparently you have not read your US history. There are multiple treaties that were signed and approved that say otherwise


12 posted on 08/25/2013 11:37:49 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: ClearCase_guy
I only have one question — will my family be forcibly re-located back to Europe?

Yeah, I've thought about that, being Scot-Irish(which is really Scot)Irish and German, just where would they send me? Probably Scotland since that is the bulk of my ancestry. Red/blondish hair and blue eyes abound among my relatives.Before someone says "Blonde hair, blue eyes, that sounds German!", I will say that my German ancestors(the ones still alive) are all dark haired light eyed, not a blonde among them.I believe my(German) ancestors came from the state of Hess.

13 posted on 08/25/2013 11:45:05 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Olog-hai

An Indian casino? What a novel idea! [/s]
Seriously, does anyone still go to those?


14 posted on 08/25/2013 11:46:46 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Olog-hai
What? We don't have enough casinos yet?

If you want to read a fascinating book on Indian tribe's scams, I highly recommend Without Reservation: The Making of America's Most Powerful Indian Tribe and Foxwoods the World's Largest Casino which tells the story of the "rebirth" of the NE Pequots and how it led to the establishing of the highly successful and lucrative Foxwoods casino.

15 posted on 08/25/2013 11:47:31 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: max americana

The Lumbee are a tribe in North Carolina. As far as casinos, I don’t know. They do have some local banks, some local companies, and on the whole doing a lot better than the tribes that stay on reservation land.
One well known person of Lumbee descent is Heather Locklear, who is also a conservative.


16 posted on 08/25/2013 11:49:43 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Olog-hai

Most indian tribes (with a few notable exceptions) sided with the British in the American Revolution.

They are luckily we still allowed to live in America once the war was over - let alone get ANYTHING from this government.


17 posted on 08/25/2013 12:02:41 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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18 posted on 08/25/2013 12:06:02 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Olog-hai

When will the poor taxpaying working stiff be recognized?


19 posted on 08/25/2013 12:13:32 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Olog-hai
US overhauls process for recognizing Indian tribes

Good, I could never get the hang of recognizing which ones were Sioux or Apache or Cherokee.

20 posted on 08/25/2013 12:15:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bgill
When will the poor taxpaying working stiff be recognized?

After we restore our constitutional republic, bgill.

21 posted on 08/25/2013 12:17:44 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Fzob

While I agree, the last Olympics in Canada pretty much telegraphed where this is all headed. IMO

I actually like American Indian traditions to a point. I’m not willing to capitulate on the alter of the U. N. and other P. C. groups to surrender my traditions.

Frankly, that’s what our existence is all about these days.

This S needs to stop. A bit off the subject, but this is a serious matter.


22 posted on 08/25/2013 12:30:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: Nifster
apparently you have not read your US history. There are multiple treaties that were signed and approved that say otherwise

I would not advocate breaking our treaties.

Even though what you say is true for some Indian tribes, it is not true for this one.

23 posted on 08/25/2013 12:32:09 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Fred Hayek
Calm your fears. There won't be any relocation of Indian tribes to reservations. The Lumbees have long had strong political savvy, and they won't leave their homeland. Since a number of Lumbees walked into a Ku Klux Klan rally in the 1950s wielding shotguns and pitchforks and caused considerable spontaneous urination in the trousers of the rallying Kluxers, the Lumbees have shown they will stand their ground.

Besides, only a few Freepers would really want the government to try to take the homelands of the Lumbees and other tribes. (You can find their designations on this thread.)
24 posted on 08/25/2013 12:44:35 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Is that the Doncorleone Tribe?


25 posted on 08/25/2013 2:13:15 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing

"Hast du gesehen in deine leben? Dey darker than us....WOOF!"

26 posted on 08/25/2013 2:15:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Fzob
They have no claim to any US soil, they lost. Get over it.

Most Reservations were established as the result of treaty arrangements. While it can be argued they lost, the treaties were peace treaties agreed to by Tribal representatives and representatives of the US Government. Often these arrangements were in lieu of armed conflict.

Not every Tribe got the same deal, not every tribe engaged the US in warfare, but the claim to that soil was established (or supposedly maintained) by treaty..

27 posted on 08/25/2013 5:07:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

28 posted on 08/25/2013 5:09:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Fzob

There are many faux tribes out there. Folks get greedy when free money is involved


29 posted on 08/25/2013 7:38:23 PM PDT by Nifster
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