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IRS issues final rules on Obamacare's 'individual mandate'
Reuters ^ | Aug 27, 2013 | Reuters

Posted on 08/27/2013 2:28:13 PM PDT by mdittmar

(Reuters) - The Internal Revenue Service issued final rules on Tuesday for the individual mandate of President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul, one of the most contentious elements of the U.S. law set to go into effect next year.

A centerpiece of Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is a requirement that all individuals carry some minimum health insurance or pay a tax. The new system aims to provide insurance through state marketplaces and subsidies for tens of millions of Americans who lack it.

If individuals choose not to carry insurance, they are subject to a penalty, starting at $95 per person per year or 1 percent of income in 2014, whichever is greater, and eventually reaching $695 per person or 2.5 percent of income by 2016.

The IRS, which is administering parts of the law involving revenue collection, released the final rules spelling out the details of what constitutes minimum essential coverage, and how individuals are responsible for spouses, children and other dependents, among other topics.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; obamacare; zerocare
"The rules announced on Tuesday offered good news to employees getting health coverage through a union-sponsored plan. They clarify that these employees will not be penalized, said tax lawyers who reviewed the rules on Tuesday."

What does that mean,if union members don't want to buy health insurance that get a pass?

1 posted on 08/27/2013 2:28:13 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

Like congress.


2 posted on 08/27/2013 2:30:42 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for our country...Pray for America and the brave souls who are defending us!)
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To: mdittmar

I ain’t mandated to do sh!t


3 posted on 08/27/2013 2:32:18 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: mdittmar

So the penalty on a guy making 100K would be $1,000! This is absurd. If you’re trying to care for a family on 40K, you likely can’t afford $400!


4 posted on 08/27/2013 2:32:27 PM PDT by albie (re)
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To: mdittmar

This is the legislative fee that became a tax after Chief Justice Roberts turned Marxist.


5 posted on 08/27/2013 2:33:06 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: mdittmar

Obama’s making unions exempt from the mandate.

Just as some of us predicted when they whined. Nice work if you can get it.

So - let’s recap. Unions, most of which are public sector have the ability to negotiate for higher wages - paid by John Q Taxpayer. They are also exempt from penalties surrounding Obamacare, so that they can keep their old plan (which John Q Taxpayer pays for).

Disgusting.


6 posted on 08/27/2013 2:34:52 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yeah....


7 posted on 08/27/2013 2:35:11 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: mdittmar

It’s Soetoro-Boehner tax.


8 posted on 08/27/2013 2:39:40 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: JCBreckenridge
That's because "taxpayer" now means "serf".

Supporters of the Democratic Party are the new aristocracy, exempt from most laws and many taxes.

The rest of us are just serfs to be squeezed to pay for Michelle Antoinette's shopping expeditions, or to have the First Dog airlifted to Martha's Vineyard.

In Illinois and Michigan, your serfdom is established by law-- the state constitutions forbid the state government from reneging on pension plans.

Serfs will have to work until the die on the job so the former New Trier school superintendent can keep his $250K per year pension-- a lifetime of "public service" or servicing the public.

9 posted on 08/27/2013 2:43:44 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: mdittmar

“If individuals choose not to carry insurance, they are subject to a penalty, starting at $95 per person per year or 1 percent of income in 2014, whichever is greater, and eventually reaching $695 per person or 2.5 percent of income by 2016.”

So If you make 130K and you don’t have insurance your penalty will be $1300.00 in 2014 and 2016 in $3250.00.? I am not sure if it is per person either.
So much for the cheap penalty.


10 posted on 08/27/2013 2:44:02 PM PDT by funfan
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To: mdittmar

IRS Obamacare motto: “Selective enforcement of the law R us.”


11 posted on 08/27/2013 2:45:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: albie

Full time at minimum wage the first year fine is $150.80.

That is less than a week’s pay but a lot to a MW worker.

And they still don’t have insurance.

AND they are probably kinda p.o.ed about the whole deal...

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12 posted on 08/27/2013 2:48:31 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: dontreadthis

Any RINO that votes to fund this crap need a ride on a rail . Do no fund obama care in the continuing resolution or you WILL BE PRIMARIED!!


13 posted on 08/27/2013 3:21:00 PM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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14 posted on 08/27/2013 3:23:55 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: mdittmar
"$95 per person per year or 1 percent of income in 2014, whichever is greater"

$95? Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

1% of $100,000 is $1,000.00, about 1/8th the cost of a personal policy. Totally worth paying the penalty, and telling Uncle Sugar to pound sand.

But really, I'd do nothing and let the Feds try to catch me. Lots of Civil Disobedience ought to be employed by the Yutes.

15 posted on 08/27/2013 3:28:57 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (No bombs for Al Qaeda in Syria!)
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To: TLI

My guess is that it will be deducted x/paycheck so it ends up as just another line on the deductions. People just look at the net pay and carp about the rest.


16 posted on 08/27/2013 3:28:58 PM PDT by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Be sure to UNDERWITHHOLD on your income tax.
The only method in the law for the IRS to enforce is to garnish income tax REFUNDS.


17 posted on 08/27/2013 3:32:01 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: Clay Moore

Your guess is correct.


18 posted on 08/27/2013 3:35:40 PM PDT by mdittmar (ever had)
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To: mdittmar
Now you know why they've gone pretty much to electronic filing....it's called access to your bank account. It's like Medicare Part B....they take it right out of my SS check.

So don't be surprised if it comes right out of your pay.

19 posted on 08/27/2013 3:42:40 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“.If individuals choose not to carry insurance, they are subject to a penalty, starting at $95 per... “

A penalty they cannot enforce. I just love it.


20 posted on 08/27/2013 3:43:58 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: funfan

Don’t forget...that’s just a penalty...you’re not getting any insurance.


21 posted on 08/27/2013 3:44:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: mdittmar

No, sounds to me that the union can provide less than essential coverage and it will be ok. That would be the only way a penalty would be an issue.


22 posted on 08/27/2013 3:49:18 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: funfan

the penalty is per person but there are family caps. The penalty is 1/12 per month of no coverage with a 3 month grace period in there. And remember that paying the penalty does NOT provide coverage. Also note that the employer mandate is to provide affordable essential coverage to the EMPLOYEE, not to the employee’s family.


23 posted on 08/27/2013 3:52:39 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: TLI

Assume 29.5 hour work week. It would be less than that.


24 posted on 08/27/2013 3:54:59 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: mdittmar

I am surprised that noone on this forum is PO’ed that the IRS is issuing edicts and rules re: health insurance. The IRS is simply a tax collector! Why the heck are they allowed to just issue rules?!?!
Everyone seems to be distracted by the amounts of the penalties. Get out of the weeds and focus. Jeez zzz!


25 posted on 08/27/2013 3:58:13 PM PDT by sheana
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To: NonValueAdded

Hmm?,then it looks like obama and the unions are screwing their members.


26 posted on 08/27/2013 3:59:06 PM PDT by mdittmar (ever had)
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To: mdittmar

Why are blacks incapable of signing up for voter ID laws but totally capable of signing up for Obamacare?


27 posted on 08/27/2013 4:03:13 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: mdittmar

What if you are on welfare? Taxpayers pay for your insurance as well as their own?


28 posted on 08/27/2013 4:06:51 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: mdittmar
no, he is screwing US and giving THEM the reach-around.

(they get to keep their plan and not jack the price to cover all the mandatory bells and whistles.)

29 posted on 08/27/2013 4:10:26 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Yep. Isn't is amazing how CJ Roberts called 0C a tax and, viola, just like that...they had the IRS "roll out" organized and ready to go? I've never seen ANY gov't program so prepared.

Gosh, it's almost like they could read Roberts' mind on how this ruling would come down, or something.

30 posted on 08/27/2013 4:16:17 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: mdittmar
Majority of Union Members Now Work for the Government
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2481837/posts

For the First Time Ever Most Union Members Now Work for the US Government
For the First Time Ever Most Union Members Now Work for the US Government

Public employee unions funnel public money to Dems
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2615832/posts

New Book Highlights Dangers of Government Employee Unions
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2959918/posts


31 posted on 08/27/2013 4:42:39 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I don’t think Roberts turned Marxist, I think he left his pair at home and caved to the NSA compiled evidence of possible wrongdoing that greatly overshadowed his interest in preserving his honesty, integrity, ethics and morality.


32 posted on 08/27/2013 4:54:19 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Progressives are never accountable for "unintended consequences" .... just for causing most)
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To: mdittmar
Public employee unions work against taxpayers' interests (Abolish all public union now!)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2892165/posts

The Political Economy of Government Employee Unions
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2679702/posts

Slaves to the Government Class
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2887482/posts

What Public Employee Unions are Doing to Our Country
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2856565/posts

Public-sector Unions Bleed Taxpayers to Help Dems
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2446687/posts

Teacher unions get active
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158402/posts


33 posted on 08/27/2013 4:57:43 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: mdittmar
America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

The Fragmenting of the New Class Elites, or, Downward Mobility
http://volokh.com/2011/10/31/the-fragmenting-of-the-new-class-elites-or-downward-mobility/

Environmentalism and the Leisure Class
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835601/posts

The New Upper Class and the Real Reason We Dislike Them
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843575/posts

Are you a member of the political class?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/are_you_a_member_of_the_politi.html

Downton’s Class System — and Ours: We have a ruling class that despises the free market and does...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3024119/posts


34 posted on 08/27/2013 5:02:17 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yes I know/ What is so funny about this is in 2008 Obama and Hillary were debating each other and he was lamenting how her insurance plan would force people to pay a fee or penalty if they did not have insurance and he went on to say that some people would be dinged with a tax and still not have insurance that is what his effing plan does!
I hate Obama


35 posted on 08/27/2013 5:03:32 PM PDT by funfan
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To: dontreadthis

That is why the IRS is on this. Don’t pay and property gets attached with fines that will go to 100,000% in no time.
Like Hillary said, “They will take things from you”.


36 posted on 08/27/2013 5:09:30 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Oh they will “enforce “it all right...except IRS and all the goofy documentation will screw things up so badly that people will get taxes taken out wrong, their refunds denied, and IRS notices....GET THE POPCORN!


37 posted on 08/27/2013 5:26:22 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for our country...Pray for America and the brave souls who are defending us!)
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To: JCBreckenridge; SunkenCiv

So - let’s recap. Unions, most of which are public sector have the ability to negotiate for higher wages - paid by John Q Taxpayer. They are also exempt from penalties surrounding Obamacare, so that they can keep their old plan (which John Q Taxpayer pays for).
**********

Don’t forget
Dhimmitude… Part of ObamaCare Bill – What Does It Mean?

http://askmarion.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/dhimmitude-on-page-107-of-obamacare-bill-what-does-it-mean/


38 posted on 08/27/2013 5:53:39 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: mdittmar

“Getting”


39 posted on 08/27/2013 6:50:05 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Kill Obamacare not wound it.)
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To: Whenifhow; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Whenifhow.


40 posted on 08/27/2013 8:38:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: sheana
The IRS is doing this because Boehner is blatantly allowing it.
The Republicans are doing this to us alongside the RATS!

FIRE BOEHNER, NOW~!

41 posted on 08/28/2013 1:22:53 AM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: JCBreckenridge

So can a bunch of us just form a “union” that collects no dues and doesn’t negotiate for us in the workplace?


42 posted on 08/28/2013 9:59:08 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Personally, I’d rather Obama try to arrest everyone who’s ‘delinquent’.


43 posted on 08/28/2013 10:00:13 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: A CA Guy

What things do I own in my name? :)


44 posted on 08/28/2013 10:00:52 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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