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Trying to raise a family on a fast-food salary
Reuters (Opinion) ^ | August 29, 2013 | By Christine Owens-Wanker

Posted on 08/29/2013 9:15:48 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Fast-food workers in more than 50 cities Thursday are striking for fair pay and the right to form a union — the biggest walkout to hit the industry.

What can we do to address this low-wage jobs crisis? Exerting pressure on the fast-food and retail giants that rake in billions in profits is a good starting point. These companies can afford to share more of their wealth with their frontline workers and should be doing so.

Boosting wages for America’s lowest-paid workers is a crucial step toward reducing economic inequality and rebuilding a strong economy. Perhaps 50 years from now, we’ll look back on the fast-food workers’ fight as the catalyst we so desperately needed.

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KEYWORDS: econ101; marxists; minimumwage; socialism; wankers
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To: Smokin' Joe
I'd harvested my first whitetail deer at 11.

Deer population whee I lived in NE Oklahoma was almost zero, but I ate my share of possum, coon, blackbirds, pigeons, and rabbits, man those jack rabbits were tough as boot heels, had to stew them for hours. :)

I lived in a town of about 300 and the country was only about 10 feet from our front door. I was shooting 22's by the time I was 5 years old, in 1943.

51 posted on 08/29/2013 11:51:28 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Pontiac

If these people want to know why fast food wages haven’t gone up they can blame Obama.


The blame goes way back before the o’bowelmie....

$1.7137 is the rounded silver value for the 1946-1964 silver DIME on August 30, 2013.

In 1963 I was making $2.55 for 5 hours per day, four days a week. $51.00 a week for a snot nose kid was something. For EXTRA money I mowed lawns at $0.25 each and for an extra dime I would trim the walls and edge the walk for a realtor. That $51.00 would cost $175.00 today.

From 4 PM ‘til 10 PM HAMBURGERS WERE 10 FOR A DOLLAR at Farnsworth’s Snow Cap, a one person operation——ME.


52 posted on 08/30/2013 12:19:32 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: freekitty
Welfare ,yes. Those earning such a minimal wage to support of a family, which is highly unlikely, can get food stamps, section 8 housing , WIC and SNAP.

The total take is likely to be over $50,000/ year in benefits.

This is B.S. propaganda. These low wage earners know how to game the system.

Those section 8 housing “Saints” are moving to my neighborhood destroying our neighborly life with a Ghetto lifestyle.

I make no apologies. My taxes enable this destructive culture

53 posted on 08/30/2013 12:33:46 AM PDT by ChiMark (America no more)
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To: S.O.S121.500

In 1963 I was making $2.55 for 5 hours per day, four days a week. $10.20 a week for a snot nose kid was something! For EXTRA money I mowed lawns at $0.25 each and for an extra dime I would trim the walls and edge the walk for a realtor. That $10.20 would cost $175.00 today.

I caught the mistake........darn calculator and calculater.


54 posted on 08/30/2013 12:41:14 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I gotta tell you folks, it’s hard to raise a family on what a squeegee man makes today so I’m going to demand at least a hundred dollars per car that I work on.

Sure it sounds like a lot but spread out over all the cars on the street it’s only a few cents per car.

Help the Squeegee Man!


55 posted on 08/30/2013 1:11:31 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: S.O.S121.500
$1.7137 is the rounded silver value for the 1946-1964 silver DIME on August 30, 2013.

Your certainly are correct. Inflation is hidden tax on everyone and it hits the poor the hardest.

Why the Keysians think that inflation is good for the economy and the poor I will never understand. When the Fed creates money what it is really doing is stealing wealth from the private sector in order to spend it on whatever the government spends it on. In other words it is an across the board tax on anyone holding dollars.

This brings to mind another thing that few people think about (lucky for the USA) is that when the Fed creates money it is also taxing every foreign country that holds dollars for use for international exchange. It is also a tax on foreign individuals who hold dollars as a hard currency (what a joke). But it is obvious that foreigners are catching on because foreign countries are increasing their gold reserves as are individuals.

56 posted on 08/30/2013 1:25:46 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
How tough is it to grasp this concept: GET A BETTER JOB!!!!
57 posted on 08/30/2013 1:28:15 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What can we do to address this low-wage jobs crisis?

LOW-WAGE JOBS CRISIS??????

58 posted on 08/30/2013 1:29:54 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Another demand to tax small businesses.

If accomplished expect prices to increase.


59 posted on 08/30/2013 1:44:20 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

how you gonna program that thing to spit on a burger?


60 posted on 08/30/2013 2:31:20 AM PDT by sternup
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If they would have stayed in school, not gotten pregnant by thier loser boyfriend who is out getting others pregnant, they wouldnt have to rely on a 7 dollar an hr job. And this is our fault!


61 posted on 08/30/2013 2:37:07 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Job? Just go on welfare.


62 posted on 08/30/2013 2:51:12 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nope, no bias here. Just a plain ole American speaking her mind about what’s fair. No matter she is the Executive Director for the National Employment Law Project, a economic subversive institution supported by every kook foundation, United Way, AARP, AFL-CIO, SEIU and former American Communists in the book...

That have a 2012 Annual Report at their website [nelp.org] ....biggest bunch of crybaby crap I’ve ever seen. They have no understanding about economics or work equity.

BTW, as a 501 c3, you’d think that their annual report would have numbers about what they got and what they spent. But it does not.


63 posted on 08/30/2013 3:05:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ThunderSleeps

Yep. According to the article more than three-quarters of all jobs pay enough to support a family of four above the poverty level.


64 posted on 08/30/2013 3:10:13 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Fai Mao

It also lowers their wages significantly because they’ll lose food stamp and Medicaid benefits.


65 posted on 08/30/2013 3:17:18 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

ping


66 posted on 08/30/2013 3:18:46 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If you have a fast food job, don’t start a family. Simple.


67 posted on 08/30/2013 3:26:15 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I am speechless aside from “Christine, you ignorant slut.”


68 posted on 08/30/2013 3:57:53 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (Galt's Gulch: it isn't Valley Forge.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Here is the logic of the strikers:

Let's say you go into business for yourself, and from modest beginnings, you start to make a lot more money. You're your only employee, but your one-person business (whatever it is) is such a success, you realize you need a little help with the paperwork....or the computer work. So you hire a person to help you.

After a while, your sole employee figures out how much money you're making, and demands a raise. You've probably been paying this person more than the minimum wage anyway, but this person wants a lot more money claiming you can afford it. But you protest saying what they do (glorified paper shuffler) is only deserving of so much pay. The person threatens to quit if you don't double his or her salary. What do you do? Well, if it were me, I'd explain things to my sole employee about their worth. If they kept up the protests, they'd be summarily fired.

Nobody is twisting these peoples' arms to make them work at fast food places. If they want more money, they better be able to expand their skills and have something other employees will value. Otherwise, they'd should be content to have a low-skilled job.

69 posted on 08/30/2013 4:10:11 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

McDonalds jobs have never in the past been for a person raising a family

Now with Obama and no other jobs available they have become an emergency source of revenue while looking for a decent job.

And still we have people who would vote for this Community organizer another time.


70 posted on 08/30/2013 4:15:56 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Even if fast food workers got their raises and their union, it wouldn’t help them. Because a chunk of their meager earnings would go for union dues. They’d be buying mansions for fat union parasites while they continue to remain low-wage proles in dead-end jobs.


71 posted on 08/30/2013 4:19:00 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Entry level means just that. This country is so screwed up that it’s hard to even address this nonsense.


72 posted on 08/30/2013 4:21:05 AM PDT by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Just another case of fiscal insanity at work. Every time you raise a “minimum wage” you lose jobs and cause “cost push” inflation. And the false argument about McDonald’s making huge profits is lame. Sure McDonald’s makes big bucks, but only by getting a small portion of each sale by an individual franchise. And what about the individual franchise owner? Is he making big bucks? I knew one of the early franchise owners from the early 60’s when McDonald’s (and fast food in general) was new. With a basic “monopoly” at the time, the husband and wife managed to make a high 5 figure income. But for that, they risked losing everything accumulated over 35 years of working for others to purchase the franchise, went further into debt, and each put in 80 hour weeks with no vacations. Yes, eventually things improved after their second location was established, but it is a typical risk-reward scenario. And what about the working model for the business? With the exception of management, these jobs are designed to be entry level jobs to give youngsters work experience and pocket change. The fact that someone wants to make these jobs “careers” speaks volumes about our economy. Want these positions to be careers - institute 20% taxes and subsidize them. Then we’ll destroy personal incentive and eventually be known as the “united States of Socialism”.


73 posted on 08/30/2013 4:39:09 AM PDT by Boomer One
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“One demand of the 1963 marchers was raising the federal minimum wage to $2 an hour. In today’s dollars, that’s roughly $15 an hour — what the striking fast-food workers are now calling for.”

Seven years ago, my company took 10% from my pay rate. It has never been returned, as promised. No increases, no COLA’s, and no job if I don’t like it.

30 years in the same profession, and living on what I made in the 70’s. Businesses and corporations are going to get even more cutthroat and demanding for more at the same wages, as the job pool continues to grow, and threats of termination keep everyone but the too foolish and too gifted in line.

As for a fast food joint being a “stepping-stone” job, that is no longer true. There is increasingly becoming no where to step “up” to in this economy, unless your sights are set on the corporate environment. Then backstabbing and scapegoating will be your constant companions for the extra money you’ll earn.


74 posted on 08/30/2013 5:47:43 AM PDT by 5cents
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Would it kill someone to work 60 hours a week while putting yourself through school? Get 2 or 3 jobs and take some courses that will earn you a marketable skill or trade. It used to be called getting ahead. It takes effort. My first summer job in high school, I worked 58 hours a week and still had plenty of time to screw around.


75 posted on 08/30/2013 5:55:56 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
If you have a fast food job, don’t start a family. Simple.

You can't raise a family even on a full time job at McDonalds...In fact, a single person would be lucky to pay for simple basic things like food, rent, utilities and gasoline to get to work.

Those who work at these places can forget bare bone basic things like groceries, insurance, clothing, medical expenses, car payments etc, etc....Same with retail, warehousing, and the entire service industry.

Regardless of where you're at on this debate, it's become a luxury in America for many just to pay for bare necessities such as rent, gas, food and utilities.

Compound this by millions getting their hours slashed under 30 hrs per week so the fat corps can avoid providing benefits etc...

It's a meat grinder...

It's why for example big dollar industries like housing and big pharma nose totally dive in the next two decades...Bet the rent.

Ya see all these millions of American will not have those top shelf medical benefits their parents had, where they're medical benefits paid for all these high end medications to keep them alive...

Not going to happen for the generations coming up right now...

Simply buying a home in the not too distant future will be a total luxury for young adults today...

76 posted on 08/30/2013 10:21:05 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
If that thing speaks English and promises not to vote for Democrats, then sign me up for a Cyber-Burger!
77 posted on 08/30/2013 10:48:29 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
That’s indefensible, especially considering corporate fast-food giants are enjoying robust profits. McDonald’s raked in $5.5 billion in profits in 2012 — a 27 percent increase in profits over five years — while YUM! Brands posted $1.6 billion in profits last year. But these profits are clearly not trickling down to the frontline workers.

What they ignore is that McDonald's and Yum! don't own the individual outlets. They're owned by small business men and women who are not raking in million dollar salaries. Those are the ones who will have to foot the salary increases.

78 posted on 08/30/2013 10:57:13 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

It is sad to realize that this author, and so many other supposedly intelligent people, are arguing that the “skills” needed to flip a burger are great enough that doing so for 40 hour a week should be enough to feed/clothe/house an entire family.

They seem to have no concept of “value”. They probably think a steak should cost the same as a hamburger too, because it is unfair that poor people don’t get to eat steak and lobster.


79 posted on 08/30/2013 11:34:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ThunderSleeps

It is fast food. If you charge enough that it costs as much as a good meal, people will probably just cook their own frozen burgers and fries at home. Or they’ll go to a nicer restaurant, and get real food.

I want to meet some of these people, and ask them if they’d pay me $15 if I carried their books for them for an hour. When they say “of course not, it’s not worth it”, I’d respond — neither is it worth it to me to pay you $15 an hour to push buttons and say “good day” to me.


80 posted on 08/30/2013 11:37:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Luke21
The jobs would have to be guaranteed by the government dole in some manner of fashion.

I would love to think that there would finally be a rebellion against this runaway government but, increasingly, I am convinced that we will do nothing. More disturbing, zero is showing the left what they can get away with and not be held accountable.

Without action by the people to restore the government to the limits imposed by the Constitution, the America we grew up with is dead. The Founders have spun so much in their graves that their bones are little more than splinters and pencil points. We did not protect or preserve the government they worked so hard to create and gave up so much to establish. More's the pity.

81 posted on 08/30/2013 12:03:35 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: DoodleDawg

I read somewhere the average ff franchise makes $60k profit / year.

So I imagine $15/hr could put them out of business quite rapidly.

Then again I can see the day where each place will likely have 2 employees / shift and the rest of the work automated.


82 posted on 08/30/2013 12:08:24 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There was another one of these idiots on O’Reilly last night. He was going on about how raising the minimum wage meant that everyone would have more money to spend, which would mean they would buy more things, which would pump more money into the economy and stimulate growth. I had to change the channel before I threw the remote at the TV. I understand “fair and balanced,” but I don’t understand giving a forum to blatant stupidity.


83 posted on 08/30/2013 12:28:22 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: DoodleDawg
What they ignore is that McDonald's and Yum! don't own the individual outlets. They're owned by small business men and women

Small business?

Do you know what single Mc'D's franchise cost? And many of these franchise owners own multiple franchises.

Your talking many *millions* here.

It's why so many foreigners with big bucks, many from Mideastern countries have opened up franchises here....They are buying up all the typical hotel chains, 7-11 greedy marts, gas stations and fast food jackball type franchises.

Trust me, most of these are NOT owned by Uncle Bob and Aunt Betty from Hogjaw Kansas.

84 posted on 08/30/2013 1:23:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The other thing missing from this debate is all of the benefits given to those who only work part time, especially those with children.
EITC can be a several thousand dollar income boost to someone making $5-10K in a minimum wage part time job. That is on top of childcare subsidies, SNAP, discounts on utilities, etc. Therefore, very few people with children making this wage are living on that little.


85 posted on 08/30/2013 4:06:59 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: DustyMoment

Unfortunately, without it all crashing down, there isn’t a lot we can do.

We’ve tried elections, the Dems lie, cheat, steal, and fix the things, while we fight our own fifth column of Vichy Republicans. Here in Arizona, it’s all we have.


86 posted on 08/31/2013 1:38:28 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Luke21
Hitting “ctrl+alt+del” is about the only option we have. If we do not take over the government and restore the Constitution as the law of the land and severely limit what a federal government can do, America is dead.

I'm sure you have heard about the movement in Colorado to make North Colorado the 51st state. While that will probably not succeed due to the bureaucratic requirements for passage, it will be interesting to see what they do next. For America to survive zero and the left, radical action is necessary.

Here, in Texas, Gov. Perry has talked a good story about seceding, but that's as far as he is willing to go. If we the people who own this government don't shut it down and take control of it, the America we grew up and fought for is no more.

87 posted on 08/31/2013 10:25:00 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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