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Obama May Be Walking Into an Impeachment Trap
PopularResistance.org ^ | 8/30/12 | Kevin Zeese

Posted on 08/31/2013 12:38:55 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins

Obama May Be Walking Into an Impeachment Trap

Posted on Aug 30, 2013

Beth Rankin (CC BY 2.0)

By Kevin Zeese, PopularResistance

This article originated with PopularResistance.org.

The irony of the Obama presidency may hinge on whether he attacks Syria. He began his presidency prematurely winning the Nobel Peace Prize and could end it being impeached for starting an illegal war without congressional or UN approval – violating both domestic and international law.

Yesterday 163 Members of Congress sent letters to President Obama telling him that under the US Constitution he is required to get congressional approval before beginning a military attack. The letter drafted by Rep. Scott Rigel (R-VA) had 140 signatures, 119 Republicans and 21 Dems. Rep. Barbara Lee also circulated a letter that had 53 signers, that calls on the president to seek congressional approval.

The Rigel letter warned Obama that engaging in military action “would violate the Separation of Powers Clause that is clearly delineated in the Constitution.” They also note that the justification for war in Libya also violated the Constitution. The Lee letter warns that “we all swore to uphold and defend” the Constitution; and that we should not engage in an “unwise war – especially without adhering to our own Constitutional requirements.” In their concluding paragraph they warn “Before weighing the use of military force, Congress must fully debate and consider the facts and every alternative . . .”

President Obama knows the limits of his powers. In fact, if there is an impeachment proceeding his own words will be quoted. When he was running for president, Obama told the Boston Globe: “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

Vice President Biden, in a 2007 campaign event in Iowa, went further, not only stating clearly that the president does not have unilateral power to conduct military attacks but threatening impeachment of President Bush if he did so.

The Green Shadow Cabinet of the United States was explicit calling on President Obama to seek congressional approval before going to war, noted that under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11 of the US Constitution, it is the Congress that determines whether the United States goes to war. They also highlight the potential of impeachment writing: “If President Obama launches an attack without prior explicit authorization by Congress, he will have committed an offense worthy of impeachment.” [Disclosure, I serve as Attorney General in the alternative cabinet.]

If impeachment proceedings are held all of the doubts about the war will come out. People in the military have protected themselves by telling President Obama that they have serious doubts about a military attack. The have warned Obama about potential blowback, misusing the military to send a message with no clear strategy, drawing the US into a vexing war when they are already burdened by a complicated withdrawal from Afghanistan. Some have used words like “potentially devastating consequences” Reportedly, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Martin Dempsey, has warned in great detail about the risks and pitfalls of U.S. military intervention in Syria, warning “deeper involvement is hard to avoid.”

If the war goes wrong, and wars almost always go wrong, President Obama will see the memorandums of various members of the military who warned him. And, they will be called to testify and tell the world that President Obama was warned but went ahead anyway – without congressional approval in violation of the Constitution.

What could go wrong? Syria has the ability to defend itself and attack US military vessels. Iran and Russia have already indicated they will be drawn into the conflict. Threats of retaliation are already being made and troop movements are occurring. Russia is moving two additional naval ships, a missile cruiser and a large anti-submarine vessel, into the Mediterranean to strengthen its presence in case of a US attack. Russia and Saudi Arabia have exchanged threats over Syria. Russia threatening an attack on Saudi Arabia if the US attacks Syria with President Putin ordering a “massive military strike” against Saudi Arabia in the event that the West attacks Syria. Saudi Arabia is threatening Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia at the Olympics.

Iran, Syria and Hezbollah have threatened to retaliate against Israel and other US allies in the Middle East in the event of a US attack on Syria. Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari, chief of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, told the Tasnim news website, that an attack on Syria “means the immediate destruction of Israel.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911truthers; benghazi; dictator; fastandfurious; illegalwar; impeach; impeachment; impeachnow; iran; irs; obama; randsconcerntrolls; separationofpowers; syria; syriawar; war; waronterror; warpowersact
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1 posted on 08/31/2013 12:38:55 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

i wish he was walking into an impeachment trap. how we gonna do that without the senate. just impeaching him does squat. we need him removed.


2 posted on 08/31/2013 12:49:53 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Sounds like the stage is set for WWIII. Not worth it.


4 posted on 08/31/2013 1:02:28 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

What could go wrong? Zer0. Get the picture?


5 posted on 08/31/2013 1:03:59 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

~~~Obama May Be Walking Into an Impeachment Trap~~~

Dear God in Heaven, let it be so..............


6 posted on 08/31/2013 1:06:34 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Obama gave Assad a red line. The American people have given Obama a red line.


7 posted on 08/31/2013 1:11:39 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Never going to happen.

Obama could Nuke Kansas and strafe the survivors.

It would not even be on the news.


8 posted on 08/31/2013 1:16:29 AM PDT by NoLibZone (The reason we are where we are today is the belief that posting on a website will fix the nation.)
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To: luvbach1

Sure isn’t.


9 posted on 08/31/2013 1:16:56 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Secret Agent Man
Obama doesn't want to be a lame duck. Him becoming a lame duck may be a start though.

If Obama goes ahead with this Syria attack and things spiral out of control things could start to change.

Not that I want the Syria attack to happen, I don't.

10 posted on 08/31/2013 1:20:09 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Is a pity things have come to this point of where there is one set of laws for zer0 and his crowd and another set of laws for everyone else. Reminders of king George and a little one to be King George awaits in the arms of his nation of Britain. Strange times. Thank God for the British Parliament and yesterdays vote (two days ago). At least the entire civilized world is beginning to stop their worship of our zer0 and his crowd. Is an uplifting sign, I pray.
11 posted on 08/31/2013 1:22:14 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

I’ll believe it when I see’s it.


12 posted on 08/31/2013 1:25:05 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: NoLibZone
If Obama attacks Syria and Syria and Iran attack Israel then things will have started to change in the world, and not for the better.

Every action will cause reactions.

Way things may be right now, may not be how they will be in the future.

13 posted on 08/31/2013 1:25:27 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Secret Agent Man
Did the liberals side with Snowden or Obama?

Could there be bipartisan support for impeachment at least at the grassroots level?

14 posted on 08/31/2013 1:28:33 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Was This Foreseen and Planned For

What could the purpose be ?

What better way to cover up Bengahzi, Fast and furious, IRS, Wind and Solar panel gate, NSA spying on US, Over-riding the constittution? Don’t look into who accompaines Obama on his many trips around the world at taxpayer expence ? Were they the heavy hitters or their friends holding the president’s hand isn’t that pay back at US taxpayer expence?. Isn’t that an impeachable offense ??

Now if somebody even suggests impeachment. Get to your black base voters, whom you’ve done nothing for,.all worked up. Pick on some security guard who’s doing his job. Accuse him of being racist ,even though he is part black..

But his last name sounds “jewish.”Who’s doing surveilance in an mixed race area of modest means a where there’s been robberies and burgalries by young blacks. Now call that surveilance stalking, the area he’s patrolling owned by rich whities,and the guard of course he’s white.

That person he’s watching a 10 year old black kid and a saint ,not six foot two 160 pound 16 year old, who gets killed fighting over a gun. . Now paint a target on the security guards back .Ain’t that neat ? What better way to discourage any investigation into malfeasance and corruption by organizing the base for riots in the streets ? Think it’s too far fetched ? Think it’s not working ? Look again http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051558/posts

You are encouraged to Print this up or email and -pass it on....Why ? Time to expose citizens to the face the facts that they may believe whatever activity they get involved in is perfectly legitimate and legal. If it suits their purposes this regime and its adhearants will paint a target on their back. Wether it’s a black hispanic who gets turned into a “white hispanic” or union members losing their health care benefits if Obamacare gets funded.

To date the political opposition known as Republicans has yet to mention or comment on this example of how this regime operates. Time to ask them why ?

The republican leadership was given as they have in the past,while running the 2012 campaigns for Senate, House, and President an opportunity to spell out what was in Obamacare but didn’t http://www.theusmat.com/ or even mention Democrats had refused any reference to God in the Democratic at their 2012 convention . A new attack furthur hypenating black and “hispanic” from “white” Americans, which included Jews when the Demo-Com’s created a unconsionable use of the security guard incident to furthur their socialist agenda. That has resulted in martyrs because of its inflamatory assertions. Which the political opposition ignores while claiming to search for “demographics” in other directions.

Time to ask them why ?


15 posted on 08/31/2013 1:28:58 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Obama topples stable Middle East regimes so that radical Islamists can take over. Is the pattern not clear? This seems another example of the same. We ran guns to Al Qaeda from Benghazi. That’s who is opposing Assad. So now the U.S. is backing the perpetrators of 9/11. Obama surrounds himself with Muslim Brotherhood advisors. Ditto for Hillary Clinton. Their policies can be categorized as treasonous.


16 posted on 08/31/2013 1:30:39 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Secret Agent Man
Impeaching him at least theoretically occupies him with defending himself from impeachment. May give him at least slightly less time between golf rounds and vacations to wreak havoc on the world.
17 posted on 08/31/2013 1:31:04 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: mosesdapoet

When they try to paint a target on all of our backs they lose. The bully loses when he has to bully everyone at once and gets outnumbered.


18 posted on 08/31/2013 1:33:46 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

The future is a funny thing but it is true for every action there is an opposite and equal or greater reaction. When dealing with emotions or rather people’s emotions for every action the reaction is normally greater than the prior action which generated a reaction. We stand at the abyss and wonder how deep this abyss is, while only an action will tell us. Is wise not to step into the abyss. Soon we will know how wise our leaders are should they leap willingly into the abyss. Will be reminded, by someone certain from the other side should they move forward to wind up going backward in the recoil of what will be an emotional response. Am not certain will go down the way am portraying but people’s emotions are nasty and can be more nasty than an angel feels free to tread upon.


19 posted on 08/31/2013 1:35:37 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

Yes, the pattern is clear and worse than treasonous. It is not just an affront to our country, but also to the citizens of the world.


20 posted on 08/31/2013 1:36:18 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Impeachment?

Cue Race Card in...3...2...1...


21 posted on 08/31/2013 1:36:29 AM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: Antihero101607

Race card already being played.


22 posted on 08/31/2013 1:39:29 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: no-to-illegals
Well said! Unfortunately I don't think they need to leap. With the economic situation alone I think we are already falling one way or another, not to mention the geopolitical situation.
23 posted on 08/31/2013 1:41:48 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
He's already in one!

He's starting WWIII to hide the Morsi Egyptian Trials! Proof he funded Benghazi, and ALqueda!

24 posted on 08/31/2013 1:42:24 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Makes me yearn for leaders of the caliber of Former President Reagan and Former PM Margaret Thatcher.


25 posted on 08/31/2013 1:45:26 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: rawcatslyentist
He has a desperate look about him.

Can he be stopped from starting World War III?

Is this World War III if he gets his attack on Syria?

26 posted on 08/31/2013 1:46:05 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Obama using the IRS to attack his political enemies has not gotten a impeachment...nothing will.


27 posted on 08/31/2013 1:47:40 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: no-to-illegals
Reagen got us out of trouble.

Obama gets us into it.

28 posted on 08/31/2013 1:48:16 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Yep.

There is a paper and payroll trail a mile wide with Bammys name on it funding Benghazi!

It's gotta be world war to cover TREASON!

29 posted on 08/31/2013 1:49:18 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
yep. Sometimes only tyrants step forward (as was zer0’s campaign slogan ... Forward). Interesting times. I prefer boredom.
30 posted on 08/31/2013 1:50:37 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: CodeToad

That may be right. The next Bob Barr is needed here.


31 posted on 08/31/2013 1:53:02 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: no-to-illegals

Yes, I also long for the Thatcher/Reagan years.
They were gifts from a merciful God.

I’d hate to speculate in print about where the gift of Obama was sent from. :-/

It’s wrong, but I keep thinking how much fun it would be to see Obozo get his ass kicked playing foolish games in Syria.
But this business is so effing serious that that sort of thinking is idiotic... this may be the most dangerous period since the Cuban missile crisis.

We need to pray for Obama, that he gains the wisdom to make the right choices. Millions of lives may hang in the balance...perhaps even mine and yours.


32 posted on 08/31/2013 1:57:15 AM PDT by Bobalu (Bobo the Wonder Marxist leads Operation Rodeo Clown against Syria)
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To: CodeToad

>> nothing will...

Congress is inept... Our “representation” is screwing us Royally.


33 posted on 08/31/2013 2:00:22 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Bobalu

Full Agreement and millions could easily turn out to be billions. Full Agreement with your assessment. Was told one year ago things were not looking good. I thought the crisis maybe would not reach this point this quickly but was wrong. I defer to the warning of things are not looking good which was told me one year ago. Wisdom was in those words of one year ago, and I thought that with luck it maybe would not be the case but this crisis has surprised me and normally am not surprised by much. Am still upbeat though and maybe zer0 and his crowd can be beaten back and there will be no attack on Syria. An attack on Syria probably opens a can of worms even the Angels do not want to eat (imho), and Angels like worms. Not certain about Angels actually liking worms but still remain upbeat. May God’s Angels forgive me.


34 posted on 08/31/2013 2:08:21 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
The irony of the Obama presidency may hinge on whether he attacks Syria. He began his presidency prematurely winning the Nobel Peace Prize and could end it being impeached for starting an illegal war without congressional or UN approval – violating both domestic and international law.

Frankly..., I don't recognize the U. N. as an arbiter of anything. It's basically a rogue organization trying to usurp sovereign nation's own self-determination. Fail!

A number of the issues we face today as major problems, were pushed by the U. N. Why should we or any nation respect an institution whose troops rape and pillage children across Africa?

This writer loses me when they interject the U. N. into this conversation.

35 posted on 08/31/2013 2:44:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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Yesterday 163 Members of Congress sent letters to President Obama telling him that under the US Constitution he is required to get congressional approval before beginning a military attack.

Hate to say it, but they're wrong. Presidents have been fighting wars without congressional approval since John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. Which is one reason why someone like Obama should never be elected in the first place.

36 posted on 08/31/2013 2:47:06 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Weren’t these arguments made against Reagan and Bush?


37 posted on 08/31/2013 2:52:12 AM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
“Those who are beating the drums of war should explain clearly to the American people what they think the costs and benefits would be.”
~Barack Hussein Obama, March 2012

"Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States."
~Barack Hussein Obama, October 2, 2002

38 posted on 08/31/2013 2:56:03 AM PDT by South40
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Impeachment will never occur because the Liberals won’t allow it - not matter what Obsma does. Obama is the grand liberal experiment - a Black man as president.

Obama has long been described as the most intelligent Black to ever walk the earth. To allow for impeachment would be to admit that Obama can’t do what white people, including the “Idiot” Geroge Bush were able to do.


39 posted on 08/31/2013 3:01:40 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

In a SANE time, impeachment hearings would have been under way 3 YEARS AGO!!!


40 posted on 08/31/2013 3:03:45 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Obama is Law-Less because Republican “leaders” are Ball-Less!!!


41 posted on 08/31/2013 3:07:12 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Kevin, really, PopularResistance.org? What the heck?

Kevin, I can assure you, that the GOP Congress is not going to impeach Barack the First. Not gonna happen. All he have to do, is threaten, not even do, just threaten to "shut down the government" and blame the GOP.

To the cowards in the GOP, that's all he's ever had to do.

If the House started impeachment hearings, they'd still be going on into the 2nd term of whoever follows Obama as President. The House GOP has accomplished nothing, the IG investigation, where Obama illegally fired Inspector Generals in the first 6 months of 2009 went no where. Fast and Furious, gun running to Mexican Drug Cartels, has gone nowhere. Benghazi, after almost a year has gone nowhere. Illegal appointments, making law, illegal enforcement and non-enforcement of law has gone nowhere.

Kevin, you think you're dealing with normal human beings in Congress, but these guys are a collection of invertebrate human blobs.

42 posted on 08/31/2013 3:08:27 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Obama is an historic President. He's America's first 'Dear Leader' President.)
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If Boehner were tossed out as Speaker and replaced with swine with a spine, impeachment proceedings could be initiated and actually even pass... in the House... but do we really think Harry Reid’s Senate would ever take this up, much less remove him from power?

We know the answer. This would amount to yet one more symbolic gesture.


43 posted on 08/31/2013 3:09:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: ScottinVA

Swine with a spine = SOMEONE with a spine!!!!

Effing auto-correct!


44 posted on 08/31/2013 3:15:08 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
If the war goes wrong, and wars almost always go wrong, President Obama will see the memorandums of various members of the military who warned him. And, they will be called to testify and tell the world that President Obama was warned but went ahead anyway – without congressional approval in violation of the Constitution.

Wouldn't knowingly executing an unconstitutional order make the military officer(s) as guilty as the civilian issuing that unconstitutional order? At what point does it become duty of the military to tell Obama to go pound sand???

45 posted on 08/31/2013 3:25:08 AM PDT by varon ( cum tyrannis para bellum)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Obama can order strikes as long as he gets congressional authorization within 90 days.

Conservatives supported this for three decades.

Obama broke that covenant with Libya and he will do it again with Syria.

If Obama’s end-game is worldwide chaos, here is his opportunity. Strike Syria, thereby allowing Arab nations to attack Israel while Russia and China attack the US.

Once US servicemen die, Obama will get all the popular and congressional approval he needs. Total war could provide the cover required to restructure the western nations (North America and Europe) into a socialist utopia, shedding debt, shredding constitutions and ensuring 70 years of subjugation.


46 posted on 08/31/2013 3:59:06 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

If Bambi had any brains he would take Congress at it’s word and present the case to them. It is an out for himself that he should be looking at. He does seem like the little sooky boy that just has to get his own way though come hell or high water.


47 posted on 08/31/2013 4:01:51 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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The inane attack won’t be an impeachable offense. The unforeseen consequences may flip that.


48 posted on 08/31/2013 4:02:07 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb; mickie; pax_et_bonum; flaglady47
On Fox the other night, former ambassador John Bolton stated that an attack by Obama on Syria is NOT illegal or impeachable. In fact, I've never seen Bolton so animated and emphatic about anything.....EVER..... as he was in expounding on this issue.

And Bolton knows what he's talking about...or he wouldn't say it.

Leni

49 posted on 08/31/2013 4:11:25 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Impeachment for what? And over a piddling entity like Syria? Elmer Fudd has been been defying Congress and the courts while disregarding the Constitution since he swore a false oath on January 20, 2009.

What makes anyone think that he will allow an impeachment? He will simply disband the Congress, impose martial law and declare himself President for life. And his media butt buddies will all fall in line to kiss his a$$.


50 posted on 08/31/2013 4:12:43 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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