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Posted on 08/31/2013 12:38:55 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
Obama May Be Walking Into an Impeachment Trap
Posted on Aug 30, 2013
Beth Rankin (CC BY 2.0)
By Kevin Zeese, PopularResistance
This article originated with PopularResistance.org.
The irony of the Obama presidency may hinge on whether he attacks Syria. He began his presidency prematurely winning the Nobel Peace Prize and could end it being impeached for starting an illegal war without congressional or UN approval violating both domestic and international law.
Yesterday 163 Members of Congress sent letters to President Obama telling him that under the US Constitution he is required to get congressional approval before beginning a military attack. The letter drafted by Rep. Scott Rigel (R-VA) had 140 signatures, 119 Republicans and 21 Dems. Rep. Barbara Lee also circulated a letter that had 53 signers, that calls on the president to seek congressional approval.
The Rigel letter warned Obama that engaging in military action would violate the Separation of Powers Clause that is clearly delineated in the Constitution. They also note that the justification for war in Libya also violated the Constitution. The Lee letter warns that we all swore to uphold and defend the Constitution; and that we should not engage in an unwise war especially without adhering to our own Constitutional requirements. In their concluding paragraph they warn Before weighing the use of military force, Congress must fully debate and consider the facts and every alternative . . .
President Obama knows the limits of his powers. In fact, if there is an impeachment proceeding his own words will be quoted. When he was running for president, Obama told the Boston Globe: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.
Vice President Biden, in a 2007 campaign event in Iowa, went further, not only stating clearly that the president does not have unilateral power to conduct military attacks but threatening impeachment of President Bush if he did so.
The Green Shadow Cabinet of the United States was explicit calling on President Obama to seek congressional approval before going to war, noted that under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11 of the US Constitution, it is the Congress that determines whether the United States goes to war. They also highlight the potential of impeachment writing: If President Obama launches an attack without prior explicit authorization by Congress, he will have committed an offense worthy of impeachment. [Disclosure, I serve as Attorney General in the alternative cabinet.]
If impeachment proceedings are held all of the doubts about the war will come out. People in the military have protected themselves by telling President Obama that they have serious doubts about a military attack. The have warned Obama about potential blowback, misusing the military to send a message with no clear strategy, drawing the US into a vexing war when they are already burdened by a complicated withdrawal from Afghanistan. Some have used words like potentially devastating consequences Reportedly, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Martin Dempsey, has warned in great detail about the risks and pitfalls of U.S. military intervention in Syria, warning deeper involvement is hard to avoid.
If the war goes wrong, and wars almost always go wrong, President Obama will see the memorandums of various members of the military who warned him. And, they will be called to testify and tell the world that President Obama was warned but went ahead anyway without congressional approval in violation of the Constitution.
What could go wrong? Syria has the ability to defend itself and attack US military vessels. Iran and Russia have already indicated they will be drawn into the conflict. Threats of retaliation are already being made and troop movements are occurring. Russia is moving two additional naval ships, a missile cruiser and a large anti-submarine vessel, into the Mediterranean to strengthen its presence in case of a US attack. Russia and Saudi Arabia have exchanged threats over Syria. Russia threatening an attack on Saudi Arabia if the US attacks Syria with President Putin ordering a massive military strike against Saudi Arabia in the event that the West attacks Syria. Saudi Arabia is threatening Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia at the Olympics.
Iran, Syria and Hezbollah have threatened to retaliate against Israel and other US allies in the Middle East in the event of a US attack on Syria. Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari, chief of Irans Revolutionary Guards, told the Tasnim news website, that an attack on Syria means the immediate destruction of Israel.
i wish he was walking into an impeachment trap. how we gonna do that without the senate. just impeaching him does squat. we need him removed.
Sounds like the stage is set for WWIII. Not worth it.
What could go wrong? Zer0. Get the picture?
Obama gave Assad a red line. The American people have given Obama a red line.
Never going to happen.
Obama could Nuke Kansas and strafe the survivors.
It would not even be on the news.
If Obama goes ahead with this Syria attack and things spiral out of control things could start to change.
Not that I want the Syria attack to happen, I don't.
I’ll believe it when I see’s it.
Every action will cause reactions.
Way things may be right now, may not be how they will be in the future.
Could there be bipartisan support for impeachment at least at the grassroots level?
Was This Foreseen and Planned For
What could the purpose be ?
What better way to cover up Bengahzi, Fast and furious, IRS, Wind and Solar panel gate, NSA spying on US, Over-riding the constittution? Dont look into who accompaines Obama on his many trips around the world at taxpayer expence ? Were they the heavy hitters or their friends holding the presidents hand isnt that pay back at US taxpayer expence?. Isnt that an impeachable offense ??
Now if somebody even suggests impeachment. Get to your black base voters, whom youve done nothing for,.all worked up. Pick on some security guard whos doing his job. Accuse him of being racist ,even though he is part black..
But his last name sounds jewish.Whos doing surveilance in an mixed race area of modest means a where theres been robberies and burgalries by young blacks. Now call that surveilance stalking, the area hes patrolling owned by rich whities,and the guard of course hes white.
That person hes watching a 10 year old black kid and a saint ,not six foot two 160 pound 16 year old, who gets killed fighting over a gun. . Now paint a target on the security guards back .Aint that neat ? What better way to discourage any investigation into malfeasance and corruption by organizing the base for riots in the streets ? Think its too far fetched ? Think its not working ? Look again http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051558/posts
You are encouraged to Print this up or email and -pass it on....Why ? Time to expose citizens to the face the facts that they may believe whatever activity they get involved in is perfectly legitimate and legal. If it suits their purposes this regime and its adhearants will paint a target on their back. Wether its a black hispanic who gets turned into a white hispanic or union members losing their health care benefits if Obamacare gets funded.
To date the political opposition known as Republicans has yet to mention or comment on this example of how this regime operates. Time to ask them why ?
The republican leadership was given as they have in the past,while running the 2012 campaigns for Senate, House, and President an opportunity to spell out what was in Obamacare but didnt http://www.theusmat.com/ or even mention Democrats had refused any reference to God in the Democratic at their 2012 convention . A new attack furthur hypenating black and hispanic from white Americans, which included Jews when the Demo-Coms created a unconsionable use of the security guard incident to furthur their socialist agenda. That has resulted in martyrs because of its inflamatory assertions. Which the political opposition ignores while claiming to search for demographics in other directions.
Time to ask them why ?
Obama topples stable Middle East regimes so that radical Islamists can take over. Is the pattern not clear? This seems another example of the same. We ran guns to Al Qaeda from Benghazi. That’s who is opposing Assad. So now the U.S. is backing the perpetrators of 9/11. Obama surrounds himself with Muslim Brotherhood advisors. Ditto for Hillary Clinton. Their policies can be categorized as treasonous.
When they try to paint a target on all of our backs they lose. The bully loses when he has to bully everyone at once and gets outnumbered.
The future is a funny thing but it is true for every action there is an opposite and equal or greater reaction. When dealing with emotions or rather people’s emotions for every action the reaction is normally greater than the prior action which generated a reaction. We stand at the abyss and wonder how deep this abyss is, while only an action will tell us. Is wise not to step into the abyss. Soon we will know how wise our leaders are should they leap willingly into the abyss. Will be reminded, by someone certain from the other side should they move forward to wind up going backward in the recoil of what will be an emotional response. Am not certain will go down the way am portraying but people’s emotions are nasty and can be more nasty than an angel feels free to tread upon.
Yes, the pattern is clear and worse than treasonous. It is not just an affront to our country, but also to the citizens of the world.
Cue Race Card in...3...2...1...
Race card already being played.
He's starting WWIII to hide the Morsi Egyptian Trials! Proof he funded Benghazi, and ALqueda!
Makes me yearn for leaders of the caliber of Former President Reagan and Former PM Margaret Thatcher.
Can he be stopped from starting World War III?
Is this World War III if he gets his attack on Syria?
Obama using the IRS to attack his political enemies has not gotten a impeachment...nothing will.
Obama gets us into it.
There is a paper and payroll trail a mile wide with Bammys name on it funding Benghazi!
It's gotta be world war to cover TREASON!
That may be right. The next Bob Barr is needed here.
Yes, I also long for the Thatcher/Reagan years.
They were gifts from a merciful God.
I’d hate to speculate in print about where the gift of Obama was sent from. :-/
It’s wrong, but I keep thinking how much fun it would be to see Obozo get his ass kicked playing foolish games in Syria.
But this business is so effing serious that that sort of thinking is idiotic... this may be the most dangerous period since the Cuban missile crisis.
We need to pray for Obama, that he gains the wisdom to make the right choices. Millions of lives may hang in the balance...perhaps even mine and yours.
>> nothing will...
Congress is inept... Our “representation” is screwing us Royally.
Full Agreement and millions could easily turn out to be billions. Full Agreement with your assessment. Was told one year ago things were not looking good. I thought the crisis maybe would not reach this point this quickly but was wrong. I defer to the warning of things are not looking good which was told me one year ago. Wisdom was in those words of one year ago, and I thought that with luck it maybe would not be the case but this crisis has surprised me and normally am not surprised by much. Am still upbeat though and maybe zer0 and his crowd can be beaten back and there will be no attack on Syria. An attack on Syria probably opens a can of worms even the Angels do not want to eat (imho), and Angels like worms. Not certain about Angels actually liking worms but still remain upbeat. May God’s Angels forgive me.
Frankly..., I don't recognize the U. N. as an arbiter of anything. It's basically a rogue organization trying to usurp sovereign nation's own self-determination. Fail!
A number of the issues we face today as major problems, were pushed by the U. N. Why should we or any nation respect an institution whose troops rape and pillage children across Africa?
This writer loses me when they interject the U. N. into this conversation.
Hate to say it, but they're wrong. Presidents have been fighting wars without congressional approval since John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. Which is one reason why someone like Obama should never be elected in the first place.
Weren’t these arguments made against Reagan and Bush?
"Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States."
~Barack Hussein Obama, October 2, 2002
Impeachment will never occur because the Liberals won’t allow it - not matter what Obsma does. Obama is the grand liberal experiment - a Black man as president.
Obama has long been described as the most intelligent Black to ever walk the earth. To allow for impeachment would be to admit that Obama can’t do what white people, including the “Idiot” Geroge Bush were able to do.
In a SANE time, impeachment hearings would have been under way 3 YEARS AGO!!!
Obama is Law-Less because Republican “leaders” are Ball-Less!!!
Kevin, I can assure you, that the GOP Congress is not going to impeach Barack the First. Not gonna happen. All he have to do, is threaten, not even do, just threaten to "shut down the government" and blame the GOP.
To the cowards in the GOP, that's all he's ever had to do.
If the House started impeachment hearings, they'd still be going on into the 2nd term of whoever follows Obama as President. The House GOP has accomplished nothing, the IG investigation, where Obama illegally fired Inspector Generals in the first 6 months of 2009 went no where. Fast and Furious, gun running to Mexican Drug Cartels, has gone nowhere. Benghazi, after almost a year has gone nowhere. Illegal appointments, making law, illegal enforcement and non-enforcement of law has gone nowhere.
Kevin, you think you're dealing with normal human beings in Congress, but these guys are a collection of invertebrate human blobs.
If Boehner were tossed out as Speaker and replaced with swine with a spine, impeachment proceedings could be initiated and actually even pass... in the House... but do we really think Harry Reid’s Senate would ever take this up, much less remove him from power?
We know the answer. This would amount to yet one more symbolic gesture.
Swine with a spine = SOMEONE with a spine!!!!
Wouldn't knowingly executing an unconstitutional order make the military officer(s) as guilty as the civilian issuing that unconstitutional order? At what point does it become duty of the military to tell Obama to go pound sand???
Obama can order strikes as long as he gets congressional authorization within 90 days.
Conservatives supported this for three decades.
Obama broke that covenant with Libya and he will do it again with Syria.
If Obama’s end-game is worldwide chaos, here is his opportunity. Strike Syria, thereby allowing Arab nations to attack Israel while Russia and China attack the US.
Once US servicemen die, Obama will get all the popular and congressional approval he needs. Total war could provide the cover required to restructure the western nations (North America and Europe) into a socialist utopia, shedding debt, shredding constitutions and ensuring 70 years of subjugation.
If Bambi had any brains he would take Congress at it’s word and present the case to them. It is an out for himself that he should be looking at. He does seem like the little sooky boy that just has to get his own way though come hell or high water.
The inane attack won’t be an impeachable offense. The unforeseen consequences may flip that.
And Bolton knows what he's talking about...or he wouldn't say it.
Impeachment for what? And over a piddling entity like Syria? Elmer Fudd has been been defying Congress and the courts while disregarding the Constitution since he swore a false oath on January 20, 2009.
What makes anyone think that he will allow an impeachment? He will simply disband the Congress, impose martial law and declare himself President for life. And his media butt buddies will all fall in line to kiss his a$$.