Skip to comments.Sexual Destruction
Posted on 09/03/2013 2:09:18 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
The serpent is more crafty than any of the beasts of the field. He attacks while retreating, retreating while attacking. He concedes this point, all the while making that point. He is both a tar baby and quicksilver. And we are fools for forgetting it...
...the hard truth is that evangelicals are sleeping with partners to whom they are not married. Hundreds of thousands of them, with barely a word even spoken...
The result is not merely immorality. The trouble with not keeping your pants on isnt that you offend that great Prude in the sky. The problem is that it leads to death (Proverbs 7:27). How many of our grievous social ills trace their roots to the lie that we can have sex outside marriage with no great consequence? To put it another way, what would this world look like if there were no more adultery and fornication? Because families would be intact, ghettoes and the pathologies that come with them would fade away.
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“...the hard truth is that evangelicals are sleeping with partners to whom they are not married. Hundreds of thousands of them, with barely a word even spoken... “
If it were only hundreds of thousands of them.
Try tens or even hundreds of millions.
If evangelicals have their millions (and even making "born again" the same as Evangelical-which is not necessarily the same - it is liberally estimated there are 90-100 million Evangelical Americans) then Rome has her billions, or comparative greater numbers.
"But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; " (Ephesians 5:3)
See above post
Reminds me of 1 Samuel 18:7 “And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul has slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands.”
Really? Are there hard numbers somewhere to support that? Or is that supposition? If the latter, it is defamatory to say such things without proof. I know people sin sexually, but unless you include lust of the heart adultery, actually crossing the line physically is probably less common than imagined for traditional, Christian couples, of any denomination. I am willing to reconsider this position if credible statistics are available to the contrary, but not on a wisp of supposition.
Last Sunday’s epistle read:”Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, .....those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5: 19, 21) We will not persuade God to change His standards by polls or wishful thinking.
When I first read the statement my mind jumped to being married, and having sex outside of that marriage. But looking at it again, it is worded such that it probably includes premarital sex. Trying to come up with an estimate led me to the following:
From one site:
“...a general estimate of the nations evangelicals could safely be said to range somewhere between 30-35% of the population, or about 90-100 million Americans.”
Some other graph showed 10% U.S. population is between 18-24 years old. So say 15% between 18-29 or so. Not sure what average marriage age is, but I would guess that most of the 18-29 are unmarried - so say 10% of any population, so perhaps about 10 million Evangelicals.
How many of these 10 million, single, young people are sexually active? I know that I would have considered myself “evangelical” if the term had been around back when. And had sex with two girlfriends prior to my marriage at the age of 29. Not proud of it now (although I did hold out until I was 24).
Anyway - say 50%??? of them have had pre-marital sex, so that is 5 million. I would hope that the percentage is less, but I have no idea.
It was meant to. Be in this case there is nothing to be envious of. Zero tolerance is what is upheld, though i too have fallen in this regard the past. “And let him that thinketh he standeth take heed, lest he fall.”
Jesus instructed that if we lust after a woman in our heart (simply desire her sexually), it is the same to God as if we slept with her, since God sees what is in our hearts, and judges us accordingly.
Jesus went on to say that, if we so much as call our brother "stupid," it is the same to God as if we murdered them.
"You are either for me, or against me."
There is no "luke-warm." No "middle-ground." No "gray areas."
Such sanctuaries of convenience exist only in the hearts of excuse-making, unrepentant sinners who haven't bothered to inform themselves of Jesus' teachings in The Bible. How can you claim to "love" someone, but then not care to learn about those things which they insist are most important to our relationship?
Like the rest of The Bible, it actually makes alot of sense if you really think about it... and approach it with a sincere love for God and desire to know Christ. Which is not to say that it's easy. In fact, without Christ, it's plainly humanly impossible.
The destructive effects of fornication are built into our design by the Creator.
So is the natural desire to marry at age 14.
This vast anti-Creation experiment of unmarried persons of the opposite sex working together and living in proximity outside of their father’s homes in their millions from ages 18-30, while remaining unmarried, is not working to the Creator’s purpose and has had the entirely predictable consequence.
Whether someone is “Evangelical” or “Catholic” or “Just Christian”, to frustrate the Creator’s purpose for the sexual faculty for 10-15 years while it is strongest is a formula for disaster, which is what we have.
What we do see is that evangelicals are overall by far the most evangelical survey group, as seen here , and who see fornication as sin even in a "fornination" (or "condomnation") which affirms abomination and is under condemnation and headed for damnation. "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. " (Psalms 9:17)
But as foretold of the latter days, we are becoming too conformed to it. See here for lots of data on that.
21twelve, the question is not how many have had pre-marital sex but how many are sleeping with partners to whom they are not married now.
As for the # of evans, your source was the same as mine in a post above, but see here as regards how surveys determine "evangelical," which usually is lumped together with those who claim a born again Christian experience, but can include many who hardly fit the term "evangelical" after its historical ethos as a movement.
Some surveys classify people according to the denomination they belong to, while Barna uses a basic theological criteria , which finds only 8% of US adults doctrinally qualify as Evangelicals (2004 survey), while 38% of US adults classify as born again, but not Evangelical in these basic beliefs.
Well, for one thing, it wouldn't have any of those silly flawed but redeemable human beings in it.
If there were really 90-100 million Evangelicals this country would not be in the mess it is in.
Our numbers are probably not even a tenth of that now .
To many pastors that lead churches which were once considered Evangelical are not even believers and no longer teach the truth and you can’t expect their congregations to have changed hearts and lives. Nope most of these churches are pure Laodicean social clubs.
If there are 100 million Christians in the country, are you really going to argue that less than 1% of them are living in sin?
50% of marriages end in divorce, with infidelity being one of the bigger reasons.
I thought this article was interesting:
...we are no longer the moral majority. We are a prophetic minority.
This is an important article. I think the people quibbling over the actual numbers of sexually impure Christians are missing the greater message: we’ve normalized extra-marital sex in Christian culture.
Does ANYONE have stats to back that up?????
Certainly sex outside of marriage is wrong and people are doing it, however, broad brushing an entire group is no way to build an argument.
Thanks for pointing that out. *church members* does not by default mean truly born again believers.
Every church is filled with saved and unsaved. It's only the percentages which vary. Some have more saved, some have less.
But the other point raised is also valid. Jesus said lusting after a woman is the same as committing adultery (and the same applies to women who lust after another man), and that hating another is the same as murder.
The reason is that it's only a matter of how much self-control an individual has to avoid crossing the line from the mental to the physical.
Thank God for His grace that He's so willing to forgive and that our works do not either gain or lose us our salvation.
The US culture, and for that matter the entire Western culture, has shifted to where few, if any, acts are considered sinful. There is no shame any longer for behavior rather it's how can it be excused or justified in a secular society...gays and transvestites parade down our streets...(”They strut their evil before you”) with no public out cry.
Many people wear the title of one religion or another...it's fashionable now to dive into Eastern religions and label yourself as practicing such.....and be fully acceptable in US.
I mention these things because the sexual revolution is seen now as perfectly legit ‘by the majority’... who really have no sense of biblical truth. So it's within ‘all’ churches as well....there is ‘nothing’ which is resisting it......
This is true, but what percentage would be more pertinent, while Scripture says it should not even occur once.
As regards defining "evangelical," Barna's criteria is superior, as it defines them according to distinctiveness which evangelicalism was defined by, as a movement against liberalism. By such criteria only 8% of Americans are evangelical, as with some other polls, the Economist estimated in May 2012 that "over one-third of Americans, more than 100m, can be considered evangelical," arguing that the percentage is often undercounted because many black Christians espouse Evangelical theology but prefer to refer to themselves as "born again Christians" rather than "evangelical." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism#Demographics)
In contrast, according to one pollsters criteria, Thirty-seven percent of all Christians describe themselves as born-again or evangelical; that includes nearly half of all Protestants (47 percent)" and "two-thirds of blacks describe themselves as evangelical or born-again Christians, double the share of whites who do so" (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90356&page=1), yet in reality very few, black or white, actually describe themselves as evangelical, but pollsters classify evangelical or born-again as one class, which includes 14% of Catholics who called themselves born again far more than evangelical.
But white evangelical/born-again people are listed as a class by itself by Pew Research, and for black evangelical/born-again Americans race and welfare considerations usually trump evangelical faith.
True, but if they are least taught to esteem Scripture as the basically literal word of God then they can be led out of such "churches." And at least we can separate from liberal churches and members, while RCs are stuck with a church which treats such souls as members in life and in death, as often said and exampled.
So what do you propose be done? Segregate men and women? Cover the women in burkas? What? You never heard of self-control?
Are people just animals who can't help themselves?
The natural desire for sex beings in the early teen years, but that is not the same as the natural desire to marry. Additionally, a girl's body is not mature enough physically to handle pregnancy until she's about 18.
Blaming the culture for an individual's poor life choices is blame shifting and enabling.
Gee, somehow it worked pretty well before our culture embraced the sexual revolution.
People will rise to the level of expectations.
Expect them to have no self-control, and they’ll do that.
Hand out condoms and abortions, and why should they even think about it?
Um, yes, self- control, and no, it’s not naive.
I would agree: Low expectations, the sexual revolution, and the handing out of condoms and abortions have had a detrimental effect on sexual morality in this nation.
That’s not “blaming the culture for an individual’s poor life choices.” It’s blaming the culture for seducing young men and women into fornication.
To expect that the young in their sexual prime will “just exercise some self-control” in the throes of this seduction is naive. One has only to look at the number of abortions, unwed pregnancies, and venereal diseases to see that self-control isn’t working.
This is, IMHO, the folly of “abstinence education”. Everyone is CAPABLE of self-control, sure. But not many will exercise it in these circumstances. Our social problem lies in our culture, and therefore will not be solved with a “just say no” pledge campaign.
In the current environment, most young people simply aren’t going to exercise self-control. It’s like setting a bowl of beef & gravy three feet in front of your dog, and then telling him to “STAY!”. How long after you leave the room do you think he’ll be able to resist?
And afterward, what’re you going to do? Yell at him for being a bad dog and disobedient? Or blame yourself for setting him up to fail?
Someone has to take that stand to turn the tide.
The *folly* or abstinence education*???
And you propose what? To just let them do what they want? Offer nothing better? Hand out condoms figuring you can't fight city hall?
NIV translates it such:
" 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
The problem is huge and must be addressed from many angles. There is no easy way to get out of the pit. Individuals, if well brought up and receptive to their up bringing, and not falling prey to bad influences, may be able to escape the net or web of sexual sin.
But the culture must change. And early marriage needs to make a come back.
This is the point Jesus was making. From the NIV:
"...anyone who says, You fool! will be in danger of the fire of hell."
In danger of Hell's fire, just the same as if you killed someone. Got it?
I knew you did.
That's what the book says.
Jesus seemed to 'insult' the Pharisees quite regularly.
Does HE get a pass that I don't?
Christians can fall into sinful state, but I can’t imagine thousands or even millions being in such a state. It’s not the number of evangelicals that are having extramarital affairs but the number of those having extramarital affairs that claim to be Christian that’s suspicious.
More likely premarital, but true.
Wow. Would you like to hang nailed to a cross until dead for all of mankind? Did God ever offer you that option? Because, if not, then it's plain that God makes a rather clear distinction between you and Jesus Christ. It strains all credulity that you might not see this.
I'm appalled at your nauseating, petulant heresy, and will no longer converse with you. You are Satanic and evil. Never mind the sunscreen, because where you're headed, all you'll need is barbecue sauce.
I could be a POPE!
Even Numero UNO!!!
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me:
Yes; we HAVE noted you did NOT even TRY to answer the question about Jesus' insults to Pharisees...
I like the way all OTHER sins are being ignored in this thread!
Good point! Talking about sin is a complex subject. God hates all types of sin and without repenting and humbling ourselves to accept the shed blood of our Lord, the least little sin is spiritual death. Christians are called to be the light of the world. We dishonor our Father and His Son when we fail to represent Him through sanctified lives.
Christians can certainly sin. But they cannot live with sin.
Some say we cannot live withOUT sinning.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2) Christians are capable of not sinning because we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. But we still sin because of our nature (not because the devil made us do it). We really don't have an excuse.
3) If Christians refuse to admit they sin then they really are non-Christians. This is simply because we don't understand repentance.
4) If Christians fail to confess their sin, the Father will correct that situation. Pro 28:13 Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy. We simply will not prosper as Christians.